NEW BOUNTY CLASS and RULE REVSIONS POSTED ON BOUNTY RACE.COM

[outlaw68]

Ok guys and gals, in order to draw more cars in each of the heads up classes and allow the guys from OSCA who have no place to race I had to make a few rule revisions, THIS WILL NOT keep anyone currently racing from RACING but will allow a few other cars to come play on BOUNTY NIGHTS and ad some better racing to our Venue, the price of racing and cost of gas along with Many places closing the doors is a sign of the times I am affraid. I had no idea when we put the rules together for 2008 that fuel would be 4.00 a gallon and I am sure nobody else did either. As always we will strive to keep these classes competitive. THANKS TO EVERYONE for your continued support.
KEEP IN MIND THE MAY RACE WILL ALSO HAVE THE OUTLAW 10.5 BOUNTY with LYNCH and the other OUTLAW 10.5 cars. SO IT SHOULD BE A HECK OF A SHOW!!!

I HAVE ADDED THE OUTLAW 8.5 class and used the rules the guys have been racing with already. Hope you like this.
REAL STREET WILL BE ALLOWED A FEW MORE THINGS, as it was very close to another class TRUE STREET in KY already so it was pretty simple to fix.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT RACE...







Pro Street BOUNTY..
Back-half chassis only
After market bolt on front clip allowed with manufacturers name stamped on it.
After market front suspension components must be in stock location (mounting points may be altered)
Cars originally equipped with struts must mount the strut in the original upper mounting location
Must have mufflers
Must have working headlights and taillights
Lexan allowed (windows do not have to function)
Fiberglass limited to doors, hood, trunk lid, fenders and bumpers
Must have stock appearing dash
Must have carpet from main hoop forward unless stock floor is retained door jam forward.
Decals only on windows
No cubic inch limit
No turbo's with big tire
5” bore space motors on N/A combo only
Maximum one nitrous kit only on non-conventional head BB on Big tire
Remaining nitrous kits must be capped off completely
Small block appl. may use two stages of nitrous
Wheelie Bars allowed on all entries
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** Rear tires are limited to 10.5”W slick as measured (31” tall limit) on Forced induction combinations, and Non Conventional Head NOS cars, or 13.50 DOT Tire
** Big Block conventional head (may include Ford C head) may use two stages of nitrous
**Twin Turbo allowed only in Small Block Applications with Gasoline
**Big Block conventional head with 1 stage may run any tire
**NA combinations may run any tire
**Small Block Single stage may also run any tire
** Rules subject to revision when needed
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REAL STREET.

street legal cars only.
All steel body (hoods deck lids, Fenders,bumpers OK)
ALL FACTORY GLASS
No wheelie bars
FACTORY FRAME. FRONT TO BACK
Factory suspension or ladder bar
10.5 x 28 Tire NO W'S or smaller
Both front seats
full interior no visable sheetmetal (exposed)
BIG BLOCK NOS cars limited to 1 system. MAX 1 fuel and 1 NOS solinoid
Small Block Nos cars 2 systems max

**SINGLE STAGE NOS SMALL BLOCKS CAN RUN 29.5 non W tire
**Small Block forced induction Limited to F2 or 90 mm Turbo any EFI OR CARB
**BIG BLOCK FORCED INDUCTION LIMITED TO DRAG RADIALS 295/325 or smaller
**NO METHANOL.
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OUTLAW 8.5
Stock front fame rails required
After market front suspension components allowed (must bolt-on and mount in stock mounting points)
Rack and pinions steering allowed
Must have inner fender wells (minor modifications allowed)
Stock rear frame rails required (notched frame OK)
After market stock type rear suspension allowed (must bolt on)
No rear coil-overs allowed
No wheelie bars, four links or ladder bars allowed
Anti-sway bars allowed
Leaf springs may be moved in-board (relocation of rear shock allowed)
Must have working head lights and tail lights /li>
Must have functional charging system
Must have stock appearing interior
Must have full interior (no metal visible)
Must have dash
Rear seat may be removed
No lettering on car
Decals only on windows
No Lexan allowed (except for truck rear window)
Windows must be operational
Fiberglass limited to hood, trunk lid, and bumpers
Single four barrel only
OEM fuel injection allowed (common upgrades allowed)
After market fuel injection allowed only on V6 applications
Limited to a single plate or fogger
No nitrous controllers, timers or delay boxes.
Single bar plate only( bars cannot hang below the
Number 4 nitrous line only (bottle must be mounted in trunk)
In line valve on small block head application with nitrous
No exotic big block heads (Big Chief, Big Duke, etc.)
Any Headd on N/A combo
No alcohol (gasoline only)
Single turbo or supercharger allowed on blow-through carb or OEM style fuel injection (V8 applications only)
All turbo/superchargers with OEM style fuel injection set-ups must be a maximum of 4” inlet and a 3” outlet
All turbo/superchargers with a blow-through carb set-up have no limits on inlet and outlet
No sheet metal intakes allowed
Must have mufflers
Cars must be driven to staging lanes (no tow vehicles)

Prochargers limited to F2 series and other brands equal to.
Turbos limited to 88mm measured from tip to tip
No twin turbos allowed
No clutch-less transmissions.
Tire size limited to 8.5” (26 X 8.5)

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6.00
7.00
Stay the same.

[5 sec DART jr]

damn, i need to run the 8.5 class.. i think i could do real good there...

[badazznotch]

damn, i need to run the 8.5 class.. i think i could do real good there...

I'm gonna dominate the 8.5 class. save your gas money and keep hoeing the garden. :rofl3:

[5 sec DART jr]

bull shit. i could run on the motor and kick ass..

[Wreckless4thf]

You allowed ladder bars but not coil overs? Dang almost made it:rant3: Oh well, I'd get killed on 8.5's anyhow lol.

[outlaw68]

no ladder bars or coil overs..

[outlaw68]

you got a real street car...

[Wreckless4thf]

you got a real street car...

I gotta car with no chance with f-2's on slicks. The dot's would have at least give them a limp lol. Oh well you can't please everyone, I know this now by experience lol.

[BAD10]

what about the 10.5 cars that run big blocks with big chiefs and two stages of nos

[mean68]

matt and eric have both been faster than any f-2 car on slicks.

[Blue_gt]

Sweet sounds good to me should be some close racing..

[outlaw68]

what about the 10.5 cars that run big blocks with big chiefs and two stages of nos

On a true 10.5 its legal, just not a big tire.. I think I got it covered.... I will make it more clear, and edit the post.

[Wreckless4thf]

matt and eric have both been faster than any f-2 car on slicks.

There have been plenty that have went faster than .20's at different tracks though lol. It don't really matter I wasn't trying to sound like I am complaining because I ain't but Real Street just turned into Small Tire Bounty again, pretty close anyhow.

[mean68]

man i was just poking at you. be glad you at least got a car to race. lol go me beat already. haha

[Wreckless4thf]

man i was just poking at you. be glad you at least got a car to race. lol go me beat already. haha

LOL, I didn't really have a car before the changes now I def don't. I guess I will be back in 6.0 lol.

[carplight]

There have been plenty that have went faster than .20's at different tracks though lol. It don't really matter I wasn't trying to sound like I am complaining because I ain't but Real Street just turned into Small Tire Bounty again, pretty close anyhow.Dont give up on the real street class , Hell I dident win one neither. I wrecked in one final and got my ass handed to me in the last one.:doh3:

[Wreckless4thf]

Dont give up on the real street class , Hell I dident win one neither. I wrecked in one final and got my ass handed to me in the last one.:doh3:

Yea I know what your saying but the class just went to a normal low 5sec but that's fine with me, I want what is best for the class not what is best for me. If Jr can cash in on the OSCA racers then he is doing the right thing.

[mean68]

hell weatherbee has more power than most of the cars and he had trouble getting down the track with the controller turned off. things like that are what the slower car has to hope for.

[hotrodder]

There have been plenty that have went faster than .20's at different tracks though lol. It don't really matter I wasn't trying to sound like I am complaining because I ain't but Real Street just turned into Small Tire Bounty again, pretty close anyhow.

No stb was run what you brung on 28-10.5s. personal i like it that way. You find out who is the fastest ssc on 28s.

[Wreckless4thf]

No stb was run what you brung on 28-10.5s. personal i like it that way. You find out who is the fastest ssc on 28s.

Yea it justed kicked some people in a class where they have more compitition, this should be good for the class. Real Street basicly became Outlaw 8.5 it just caught one or two in the backwash and I was one lol. I just wished I had of know these rules before buying a car set-up for Real Street and I know if some went and bought DOT tires that's going to hurt lol. This will be good in the long run I think.

[526CIDUSTER]

WoW thats the closest I have come to fitting a class. lol....
The car count is what is important. No cars no race.

[BAD10]

will there be people there to tech the cars in the classes to see if they r following the rules:whip:

[BAD10]

hang in there jim i think u and the i40 crew r doing a good job and i think this is a good idea bringing some of the osca guys here that will make the classes grow

[02turbo]

Jim, mufflers on turbo cars?

[outlaw68]

No mufflers on any turbo car, the turbo is the muffler, just has a bit more power than a traditional flow master..lol

Alan, your jumping way ahead of the game here. REAL STREET has more limitations than small tire bounty anyway, and you went 6.20's on motor this past weekend, and ERIC papageorge and Neely both were around the same on MOTOR and BOTH were serious competitors in Small tire. As a matter of fact your car is a DEAD RINGER for True street, Weatherbee is probably a fine example of more power doesnt always win, as he would have got spanked by a 6.00 car in the final but LUCK and a good driving were in his corner this weekend. You have yet to make a NOS pass yet so dont go throwing the towel in yet, you have not even SHOWED up for a race yet with the new car.. HANG IN THERE you gotta show up and race to win. YOU BOUGHT the right car, I KNOW what the car is capable of and I know how fast the OSCA guys run and what our current guys run. I WILL GUARANTEE we will not see a pass as fast as BILLY SMITH made in small tire last year in REAL STREET..

[outlaw68]

WoW thats the closest I have come to fitting a class. lol....
The car count is what is important. No cars no race.

Get the sawzall out and chop off the front end, install plates make it a true bolt in and put a POORBOYS racing manufacturer tag on it. Then make sure the rest of the car fits the rules. YOUR CAR is close enough that it would be under the knife if it were mine.... Seriously your car could be made legal real easy...

[yourworstnightmare]

Get the sawzall out and chop off the front end, install plates make it a true bolt in and put a POORBOYS racing manufacturer tag on it. Then make sure the rest of the car fits the rules. YOUR CAR is close enough that it would be under the knife if it were mine.... Seriously your car could be made legal real easy...

That's exactly what I told him ! LOL

[SHOPEY]

OUTLAW 8.5 MAKES ME NOT WANT 2 SELL MY CAR???????????????

[SHOPEY]

600'TH POST!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wreckless4thf]

No mufflers on any turbo car, the turbo is the muffler, just has a bit more power than a traditional flow master..lol

Alan, your jumping way ahead of the game here. REAL STREET has more limitations than small tire bounty anyway, and you went 6.20's on motor this past weekend, and ERIC papageorge and Neely both were around the same on MOTOR and BOTH were serious competitors in Small tire. As a matter of fact your car is a DEAD RINGER for True street, Weatherbee is probably a fine example of more power doesnt always win, as he would have got spanked by a 6.00 car in the final but LUCK and a good driving were in his corner this weekend. You have yet to make a NOS pass yet so dont go throwing the towel in yet, you have not even SHOWED up for a race yet with the new car.. HANG IN THERE you gotta show up and race to win. YOU BOUGHT the right car, I KNOW what the car is capable of and I know how fast the OSCA guys run and what our current guys run. I WILL GUARANTEE we will not see a pass as fast as BILLY SMITH made in small tire last year in REAL STREET..

I would like to inflate my head to think I would be able to run low 5's but in the real world Canfield heads would be pressed to get into the mid 5's. I need some CFE CNC Pro Kings or 15 degree Victor Race heads, a big fogger and huge balls to be a runner lol. We will prolly come out in May and be someone's first round Duck anyhow or run 6.0 lol. I am sure there will be some guys dropping out of the Bounty to run this class now and I know from what little experience I have this class just went to low 5's for the norm. Billy can go 4's.

I think you done the right thing for the class I just wished I had bought the stock suspension victor headed 434 car now lol. I bought the ladder bar car because it fit and had way more goodies:)

[5 sec DART jr]

I would like to inflate my head to think I would be able to run low 5's but in the real world Canfield heads would be pressed to get into the mid 5's. I need some CFE CNC Pro Kings or 15 degree Victor Race heads, a big fogger and huge balls to be a runner lol. We will prolly come out in May and be someone's first round Duck anyhow or run 6.0 lol. I am sure there will be some guys dropping out of the Bounty to run this class now and I know from what little experience I have this class just went to low 5's for the norm. Billy can go 4's.

I think you done the right thing for the class I just wished I had bought the stock suspension victor headed 434 car now lol. I bought the ladder bar car because it fit and had way more goodies:)

ill have to call BULLSHIT on the canfield heads want go mid 5s... im really what the hell. 408 inches and aset of canfields that go 315 int. cfm and 245 exh.cfm
would go 5.4s all day long in a 3000 lbs car and 200 shot..give me a break.
the only reason i dont just build stuff like that and run it to prove my TALK is money. i cant afford to build that EASY mid 5 sec engine...you guys just need to get around an engine builder with some balls...

[Wreckless4thf]

ill have to call BULLSHIT on the canfield heads want go mid 5s... im really what the hell. 408 inches and aset of canfields that go 315 int. cfm and 245 exh.cfm
would go 5.4s all day long in a 3000 lbs car and 200 shot..give me a break.
the only reason i dont just build stuff like that and run it to prove my TALK is money. i cant afford to build that EASY mid 5 sec engine...you guys just need to get around an engine builder with some balls...

Well, I hope your right since the car has only been .60's so far with a 300 hit before I got it :)

[outlaw68]

He knows good and well, his car will run that fast on 1 system now.with some help... The TURBO size will keep the bounty cars along with the other rules out. One of the major players in the other class in KY was Nathan Stinson the red nova and his car was legal for real street the day the rules came out. SO... IF YOU COULD RUN REAL STREET a few weeks ago, and you werent worried nothing has changed as the rules are still the same...

[Wreckless4thf]

He knows good and well, his car will run that fast on 1 system now.with some help... The TURBO size will keep the bounty cars along with the other rules out. One of the major players in the other class in KY was Nathan Stinson the red nova and his car was legal for real street the day the rules came out. SO... IF YOU COULD RUN REAL STREET a few weeks ago, and you werent worried nothing has changed as the rules are still the same...

Oh I never thought I could win it, just hoped to go a couple of rounds lol. Pappa George was broke, Jeff Carpenter was broke, and the big block was having trouble getting down the track. I never knew about any red Nova. I knew there were some others that I couldn't beat but if I could go a couple of rounds it would be worth it. Why are you all picking on me lol? You know my engine needs to be in the 8.5 class not racing against f-2's on 10 degree heads and carb intakes :)

[mean68]

i heard the purple camaro that was there the other night was taking some solenoids off and running real street also. that car is bad. especially to still be a leaf spring car!

[kevin]

Oh I never thought I could win it, just hoped to go a couple of rounds lol. Pappa George was broke, Jeff Carpenter was broke, and the big block was having trouble getting down the track. I never knew about any red Nova. I knew there were some others that I couldn't beat but if I could go a couple of rounds it would be worth it. Why are you all picking on me lol? You know my engine needs to be in the 8.5 class not racing against f-2's on 10 degree heads and carb intakes :)

You have a good car for real street still, but your old car was better for 6.0 index if you really wanted to go rounds every time. I think the faster OSCA 8.5 guys were running 5.60s, but dont feel bad I cant run the 8.5 class either (no aftermarket EFI) but thats how it goes.

Maybe make real street three back to back passes closed hood, that will weed out the race cars ;)

[Wreckless4thf]

You have a good car for real street still, but your old car was better for 6.0 index if you really wanted to go rounds every time. I think the faster OSCA 8.5 guys were running 5.60s, but dont feel bad I cant run the 8.5 class either (no aftermarket EFI) but thats how it goes.

Maybe make real street three back to back passes closed hood, that will weed out the race cars ;)


So I guess you will have to run Real Street too lol? Well it should be interesting to say the least. LOL

[kevin]

So I guess you will have to run Real Street too lol? Well it should be interesting to say the least. LOL

Thing is you never know who will show up, or break, or sleep, or wheelstand, or spin. The faster cars have a better chance of breaking something as well, especially with a full 16+ car field.

Either way heads up racing is a bitch, some already built cars will fall right into the rules and dominate and some others will do whatever it takes to win. Thats the way it is everywhere..

[Wreckless4thf]

Thing is you never know who will show up, or break, or sleep, or wheelstand, or spin. The faster cars have a better chance of breaking something as well, especially with a full 16+ car field.

Either way heads up racing is a bitch, some already built cars will fall right into the rules and dominate and some others will do whatever it takes to win. Thats the way it is everywhere..

Yea it's a bitch but it dam sure is better than bracket racing at least by Golly if you beat me it will be because you flat out, out performed me lol. To me that is racing.....:flex:

[outlaw68]

I still fail to see the problem, Weatherbee went .30's this weekend, the little 347 from CPC went 40's Papageorge has been .20's Neely has been .20's. So what your saying alan is you know those 4 were faster and it was ok, but you dont want 4 others or 8 others to run with them??? For you to say "HOMELES AGAIN" in your avatar is just saying you were homeless to begin with. I dont get it.. If that little 347 with inline heads can run that hard your big motor should be able to as well with some work. And as I stated before the rules if anything NOW limit the size of the turbo's and size of the blowers where as before it was wide open, and the limiting factor is still the tire..

[Wreckless4thf]

I still fail to see the problem, Weatherbee went .30's this weekend, the little 347 from CPC went 40's Papageorge has been .20's Neely has been .20's. So what your saying alan is you know those 4 were faster and it was ok, but you dont want 4 others or 8 others to run with them??? For you to say "HOMELES AGAIN" in your avatar is just saying you were homeless to begin with. I dont get it.. If that little 347 with inline heads can run that hard your big motor should be able to as well with some work. And as I stated before the rules if anything NOW limit the size of the turbo's and size of the blowers where as before it was wide open, and the limiting factor is still the tire..

Dang Jim, how could you take my above statement as bitching??? Kevin stated heads up racing is a bitch and I agreed, then I stated it was still a hell of a lot better than bracket racing?????? I am confused lol????

[Wreckless4thf]

Were just talking racing, I know this is something new for SCF but it is actually cool to talk about and get a break from the Poorboys vs. Howe Motorsports vs. Frank Eskra vs. Mike Randall Soaps:whip: LOL

[outlaw68]

LMAO..
I agree but you can tell by your posts that you dont like the rules, or we would be talking about you whoopin on some real street boys when you get your stuff worked out. I think you have beat yourself already thats all I am saying..

[Wreckless4thf]

LMAO..
I agree but you can tell by your posts that you dont like the rules, or we would be talking about you whoopin on some real street boys when you get your stuff worked out. I think you have beat yourself already thats all I am saying..

LOL, the good thing is I know what they can run but no one has seen mine run yet, not even me lol. Who knows those heads might not be Canfields and it might have went 8.60's on a 150 shot. I am just having fun here. Your right, I did like the rules better before and if I could I would go to the 8.5 class for the simple fact I don't like to lean on a motor very hard. I would rather tune the suspension than to be hard on parts. We will just have to see how it goes. I know why you did what you did and would have done the same thing except I would have weigh structures to attempt to somewhat level the field as fairly as I could. You did a great job with the rules. :D

[mean68]

scales would help alot in this class, but i think the new rules will make it very much more entertaining. seeing a 300ci car beat a 600ci cuz it couldn't get down the track is awesome. not saying it happens all the time but it's exciting to see what happens.

[Tom]

Get the sawzall out and chop off the front end, install plates make it a true bolt in and put a POORBOYS racing manufacturer tag on it. Then make sure the rest of the car fits the rules. YOUR CAR is close enough that it would be under the knife if it were mine.... Seriously your car could be made legal real easy...

I think you just made my day with that idea.....lol :D

I wonder what it would do with no turbos and two 300hp kits flowing. :D

[mean68]

the duster is bounty bound with that idea FOR SURE!!!

[Wreckless4thf]

the duster is bounty bound with that idea FOR SURE!!!


Is he going to do it????

[mean68]

it is already in the works. lol

[Wreckless4thf]

it is already in the works. lol

That is awesome, it will be great to see him running.......:rofl3:

[hotrodder]

I did some research on the new rules on bounty. You can have a car as light as 2200lbs with the new rules. That means with a big tire and a motor that makes 1100hp it can run and will run in the 4s. 2 fast 4 me

[mean68]

no doubt!! been alot of work for him. maybe it will pay off now! now if we can only talk tim lynch into letting off so brad could beat him! lolol

[Wreckless4thf]

no doubt!! been alot of work for him. maybe it will pay off now! now if we can only talk tim lynch into letting off so brad could beat him! lolol

Maybe he will keep it in first gear lol.

[mean68]

dam he went 4.60s or 70s last year in first gear! lmao

[5 sec DART jr]

fuck those big name assholes. lets just make it a down home bring back the good ol days race...

[Wreckless4thf]

fuck those big name assholes. lets just make it a down home bring back the good ol days race...

Tim Lynch and his wife are very good people you shouldn't talk like that about people you don't know.

[Ausby]

its all too fast for me. lol. its hard for me to get a 7.0 car ready. much less run 4's or low 5's. i've always thought slower cars put on just as good of a show as the "big boys" kinda like pro stock VS top fuel. i like pro stocks better

[jcoons]

Eddie Patrick is N/A with 28x10.5 tire at 3000lbs

http://ovos.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=Race&action=display&thread=2953

[5 sec DART jr]

Tim Lynch and his wife are very good people you shouldn't talk like that about people you don't know.

im sure they are . but dont they have some where more important to be than up at i-40 taking the fuckin race from some normal guys..

[Wreckless4thf]

im sure they are . but dont they have some where more important to be than up at i-40 taking the fuckin race from some normal guys..

Well if you fuckin payed any attention you would see that they are having there own fuckin race besides the Bounty, Real Street, and the index classes, Gawwwwwd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry about the language your just wearing off on me lol.

[Wreckless4thf]

MAY 31st..$5,000.00 BOUNTY ON THE LYNCH MOB...
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May 31st Crossville Tn. I-40 Dragway

$5,000.00 Bounty to the 10.5 car that BEATS TIM LYNCH...
$2,000.00 Runner up...
FREE ENTRY TO ALL OUTLAW10.5 cars

This will be ran in addition to our regular BOUNTY NIGHT..

RULES..
Stock frame rails up front
10.5W tires.....Or smaller...

GUARANTEED MONEY...

OUTLAW 10.5 will race each other untill one car is left..
That man will face off with TIM LYNCH for a SHOT AT $5,000.00 Runner up will get $2,000.00

More info on
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Coming soon...

THIS IS AN OPEN DATE NO CONFLICTS IN ANY SCHEDULE.. SO NO EXCUSES...EAST. WEST NORTH AND SOUTH...
Come beat the FASTEST 10.5 CAR IN THE COUNTRY AND PROOVE YOUR THE MAN!

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Now if you don't want to see Outlaw car come from all over the country to race at I-40 then stay home. I am sure the majority of us are counting the days to see this race and hope it does well. Hell most of us travel hundreds of miles to see guys like Lynch and having him at Crossville along with the others that will come and race a 5,000 free entry race is priceless.

[5 sec DART jr]

Well if you fuckin payed any attention you would see that they are having there own fuckin race besides the Bounty, Real Street, and the index classes, Gawwwwwd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry about the language your just wearing off on me lol.

now now brown cow.. temper temper... and your always such a nice guy.. just settle down son... i think you have just got to much going on... as you can tell i hate people with money who root out all the fun for us ol poor fucks...

[5 sec DART jr]

my problem is , is that iv built all kinds of race engines for all kinds of competitive racing, just never made any real money. iv allways built others some bad ass shit that wins races all over the country, its just that the places iv worked were more in to quality not quantity. and so there goes the good paycheck... spending too much time on the finest of details. i just want to race and iv got all the skill, im just dirt poor...

[5 sec DART jr]

its just hard to compete with guys like all yaall that go out and just pay cash for an already runnin frickin racecar..
good mornin honey , are you ready to ride in our gas hog duely to bumfuck nowhere to pick up the new 4.9 car. will have so much fun
spending money all day and playing high roller.will even have more fun paying someone to come tune it and drive it for us... and then we can beat up on all those do it your selfers out there
LIKE OL DART FUCKIN JR.

[Wreckless4thf]

Regardless of whatever, it is a free Outlaw race. It is not taking anyone's money. If you want to race for 5,000 bucks it cost you nothing, notta, zero, zilch. Real Outlaw cars are bad ass and I think it would be awesome if they start coming every month to Crossville. It's not like you or me are going to be racing against them.:drunk:

[5 sec DART jr]

WELL. I SURE WOULD LIKE TO BE.. iv liked racing and engines since i was knee high to a grass hopper.i cant stand it cause im just a worthless sack of poor shit...

[Wreckless4thf]

its just hard to compete with guys like all yaall that go out and just pay cash for an already runnin frickin racecar..
good mornin honey , are you ready to ride in our gas hog duely to bumfuck nowhere to pick up the new 4.9 car. will have so much fun
spending money all day and playing high roller.will even have more fun paying someone to come tune it and drive it for us... and then we can beat up on all those do it your selfers out there
LIKE OL DART FUCKIN JR.

Are you normal?

[5 sec DART jr]

only after midnight...lol
and when im not stressing over bill money and such

[kevin]

Yea it's a bitch but it dam sure is better than bracket racing at least by Golly if you beat me it will be because you flat out, out performed me lol. To me that is racing.....:flex:

Just build a car that runs 6.01 flat out and run the 6.00 index :)

[5 sec DART jr]

index breakout classes just dont seem much fun. ohh my bad ijust lost cause i went to fast.5.99

[kevin]

index breakout classes just dont seem much fun. ohh my bad ijust lost cause i went to fast.5.99

Thats why you build it to run no quicker than 6.00, problem solved :)

[5 sec DART jr]

well i fixed my heads today anyway..so there are finished this time for good i think.....

[5 sec DART jr]

Thats why you build it to run no quicker than 6.00, problem solved :)

yaa. i guess... i think it would be around that on 125 shot..

[kevin]

yaa. i guess... i think it would be around that on 125 shot..

Yea, but then you would have to change your screen name to 6 sec DART jr

[outlaw68]

I did some research on the new rules on bounty. You can have a car as light as 2200lbs with the new rules. That means with a big tire and a motor that makes 1100hp it can run and will run in the 4s. 2 fast 4 me

How did the new rules make it any lighter>???? I am confused, the bigger tire doesnt wiegh less? A 10.5 x 31 vs a 10.5 x 30. Somehow the cars got lighter? Matt if you show me a 2200 lb car in our field of cars I will buy you dinner for your whole crew and then we will start scaling the cars.

[outlaw68]

And 5 second Dart. I appreciate your concern but if THOUSANDS of people would come see 5 second Dart jr, I would put a special class up and a 5,000 bounty on you... This OUTLAW 10.5 BOUNTY this month is to start drawing more 10.5 cars in, to host even bigger shows in the future. We have to build the crowds and the program first. They just wont all come to see you race right now, but maybe in time they will.

[Wreckless4thf]

And 5 second Dart. I appreciate your concern but if THOUSANDS of people would come see 5 second Dart jr, I would put a special class up and a 5,000 bounty on you... This OUTLAW 10.5 BOUNTY this month is to start drawing more 10.5 cars in, to host even bigger shows in the future. We have to build the crowds and the program first. They just wont all come to see you race right now, but maybe in time they will.


LMAO

[5 sec DART jr]

why is that funny.. i know your just trying to make money a put on a good race for every one...im not fuckin stupid or anything..

[5 sec DART jr]

why is that funny.. i know your just trying to make money a put on a good race for every one...im not fuckin stupid or anything..

[matchstick]

its just hard to compete with guys like all yaall that go out and just pay cash for an already runnin frickin racecar..
good mornin honey , are you ready to ride in our gas hog duely to bumfuck nowhere to pick up the new 4.9 car. will have so much fun
spending money all day and playing high roller.will even have more fun paying someone to come tune it and drive it for us... and then we can beat up on all those do it your selfers out there
LIKE OL DART FUCKIN JR.

Damn dude grow the fuck up. Cry cry cry. You keep talking how good you are, but yet you're a broke dick mfr always talking about what you can do. If you are as smart as you say you are, let the right person know it and you can write your own check. How much do you make to build an engine on the side?

[crossbreed]

HELL IS THERE A CLASS FO ME BIG TIRE FIBER GLASS FRONT CLIP AND DOORS AND DECK LID AND BIG MOTOR NO GAS IN THE HIGH 4'S

[5 sec DART jr]

Damn dude grow the fuck up. Cry cry cry. You keep talking how good you are, but yet you're a broke dick mfr always talking about what you can do. If you are as smart as you say you are, let the right person know it and you can write your own check. How much do you make to build an engine on the side?

you know there is no set price on any thing. what kind do u want.
not crying just telling the truth.
im always up to make some dough.

[matchstick]

Say build a long block SBC. File rings, check clearances etc.

[5 sec DART jr]

sure. as long as the line bore is good. i can ckeck it...it might need decked as well.

[matchstick]

What do you charge?

[Tom]

HELL IS THERE A CLASS FO ME BIG TIRE FIBER GLASS FRONT CLIP AND DOORS AND DECK LID AND BIG MOTOR NO GAS IN THE HIGH 4'S

so your saying your small block would be crying while that big block is flying??? :D

[Tom]

as you can tell i hate people with money who root out all the fun for us ol poor fucks...

there will always be someone willing to spend 100x more money than anyone else to win. and there will always be the haves and the have nots. heads up racing is not a sport for "us ol poor fucks". that sport is called bracket racing since money is taken almost completely out of the equation and the driver is everything.

Tim Lynch started out racing street cars just like the rest of us. he was lucky enough to get some big breaks. it's not a crime to be envious of his position....hell, I am. :D

when outlaw 10.5 started the tire WAS the limiting factor. but now, just like with any heads up class, your wallet is the limiting factor. and while the guy with the most money doesn't always win, his chances are much better than average.

[MIKE RANDALL]

Tom has made a great post as he knows whats up! Its no secret the guys with the most bucks in their ride and spent the right way are the ones that usually win or atleast see a semi-final round. Bracket racing for example...everyone knows the Richardsons. Hell,they bring atleast two cars per class and double enter them. How many extra passes and hits on the tree do ya think they get? Ya think that helps their chances of winning?Bottom line...you have to race your car in a class you can AFFORD! All the whining and complaining aint gonna change the rules or make yer car faster or your wallet fatter! Dont ya all race for the fun of it anyway????

[kevin]

Dont ya all race for the fun of it anyway????

I run pro test and tune, I win every round lol :)

What people dont realize is even if you have a done car and trailer sitting in the driveway it still costs a lot of money just to run it. I get 20-25 passes out of a set of slicks (340.00 a pair), costs about 70.00 for C16 for a normal day, 500 mile round trip is 200.00 on diesel, wife and kids along are 50.00 or so for food, if its an overnight deal another 70 for a decent motel + more food. You are damn right I'm doing this for fun because even if I win I lose money at most races..

Its rough to race in any class these days, my shit is fairly slow and is considered low budget at most races I go to so its all relative to what you have to spend (or charge on a credit card). I've been over the 'having the fastest car in the world' thing for a lot of years, I'm sure for what I have spent on parts for this car over the last 4 years I could have built a 4.90 fox body but I dont want a 4.90 fox body. Some people just focus on ET no matter what and thats fine, I focus on 100% reliability, ease of maintenance, something a little different and it has to look good and be safe. But the main thing having fun doing it, the day its not fun you'll see my car on eBay, simple as that..

[crossbreed]

so your saying your small block would be crying while that big block is flying??? :D

no i was just messing with ya'll

[5 sec DART jr]

i put my short block together

[1bad406]

index breakout classes just dont seem much fun. ohh my bad ijust lost cause I went to fast.5.99 You have to start somewhere. Heads up Index racing is the closest thing to heads up racing for the guys on a budget like myself. Build a car to run 5.80's so that you can run 6.0 anytime, any track, any temp. outside. and tune it to run 6.0and learn to drive the finish line. I'd rather be racing index classes than not racing at all.

[5 sec DART jr]

i have street raced fast cars for yrs. i like racing to the finish
i wish there were more classes with tight rules
like only certain heads allowed
weight per cubic inch
suspension limitations..

[carplight]

i have street raced fast cars for yrs. i like racing to the finish
i wish there were more classes with tight rules
like only certain heads allowed
weight per cubic inch
suspension limitations..looks like you just need to run outlaw test and tune then:violin:

[5 sec DART jr]

looks like you just need to run outlaw test and tune then:violin:

thats probably about right.. but im going to run 6.0 id say..

[Bad A]

Even in classes with a weight to CI. Most of the time the high $$$$$ cars still get penalized. Crap look at stock or super stock cars. If they run faster than their index, they can dial down just like bracket racing. Thats why the bounty is a good start as a heads up class. Years ago the heads up classes got out of hand. The one who spent the most normally won. They had to do something so bracket racing was started, plus they started the indexs.Then the dial under, to give the slower class cars a chance. the only place thats still heads up run it out the back door is in your on class. once eliminations start, you can dail down. But thats about as fun to watch as, watching paint dry. You can not please everone, but me I like to watch the heads up racing.
As do most people, thats why you get more spectators at these kinds of events.


I THINK JIM HAS A GREAT LOCAL PROGRAM GOING.... So lets all help support one of the few local heads up programs in the area.

[5 sec DART jr]

super stock is an expensive class
exept for that thats my style of racing.its a true engine builders class...

[Tom]

looks like you just need to run outlaw test and tune then:violin:

hey, that's my class. what the hell did I do to you to deserve this, Carp??? I'll have to listen to him cry about running against cars like mine then. :violin: :D

[5 sec DART jr]

im not whining...ill race you heads up anytime .

[MIKE RANDALL]

There are stocker racers spending more $$$ on their engines than some Super Stock guys. Everyone in SS/S has an index they run off. Qualifing postitions are determined by how far under you run. There are that are so good at it that they can figger out who they will have in the first round of elims. I SS/S you dont get a hit on your index that day. On monday at Glendora is when you get it by the AHFS. You just get hit with a HP rating thus lowering your index at the next Divisional or National Event. I dont care how much you spend on your racing operation you still have to cut a lite and run the stripe..... Run a class your car fits in to!

[carplight]

hey, that's my class. what the hell did I do to you to deserve this, Carp??? I'll have to listen to him cry about running against cars like mine then. :violin: :Dhehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe hehehe:steering::cool:

[5 sec DART jr]

great fun guys...haa haaa

[Stroked 427]

MOTOR IS AT MACHINE SHOP,WONT BE LONG.

[Tom]

im not whining...ill race you heads up anytime .

sounds like a good race right now since neither one of our cars run. I can always bring out the 1.4 liter import of doom though. :D

[Tom]

MOTOR IS AT MACHINE SHOP,WONT BE LONG.

you did take it to dart jr, didn't you??? you know it will be at least 2 tenths quicker if he builds it. after all he is the greatest unknown engine builder north, south, east annnnddddd west of the mississippi.....:kneelsuck :D :D :D

[Tom]

I've got to hurry up and get my junk running so I can come down and get my ass kicked in the pro street bounty. :D

[5 sec DART jr]

you did take it to dart jr, didn't you??? you know it will be at least 2 tenths quicker if he builds it. after all he is the greatest unknown engine builder north, south, east annnnddddd west of the mississippi.....:kneelsuck :D :D :D

you dont have to be a dick... il bet iv built alot faster shit than you or most the people on this sight have built.
eric can take it where he wants it is his engine.
if he did bring it to me there is a few things that i personally would change in his engine. he knows what im talking about cause we talked about it. his car is pretty quick. i dont know about picking up time but id bet my ass if i fixed it it wouldnt be any slower. hey tom my car will be going this week. get you shit going and put your car up where your mouth is a race me. that goes for everyone else...

[5 sec DART jr]

i also like all the bullshit about me not being a good engine builder
iv been doing it for over 10 yrs. learned from the best
these guys i learned from were building winston cup engines for winstin cup cars that made the races back in the late 70s
in the late 90s when i met them they did some engines for joe gibbs racing. our dyno numbers blew there mind...no shit.
just alittle side note. when dart started making blocks J.P.(the dude i learned machine work and performance engine building from) . bought 1. they had no place in the back of the block to scavenge oil, for a dry sump system. some reps from dart came by 1 day and jp said something about it to them. now all dart blocks have that provision made into them... just 1 example of learning from people that know shit. ill put my engine building up against anyone one this sight or not. and when it comes race day i may not be able to compete with the guys in real street but ill bet you guys with your so called street -race car can come down and get some, one at a time........

[Tom]

you dont have to be a dick... il bet iv built alot faster shit than you or most the people on this sight have built.
eric can take it where he wants it is his engine.
if he did bring it to me there is a few things that i personally would change in his engine. he knows what im talking about cause we talked about it. his car is pretty quick. i dont know about picking up time but id bet my ass if i fixed it it wouldnt be any slower. hey tom my car will be going this week. get you shit going and put your car up where your mouth is a race me. that goes for everyone else...

.......and you don't have to whine about everybody that doesn't trade food stamps for parts. I work 2 jobs right now and save to buy the shit I need for my car, but I don't whine about the people that have money to buy what they want to.

I'm a little farther out than this week. my engine is at the machine shop right now getting machined. I'll build it myself when I get the parts back. just like my car. rat and I built the chassis and did all of the work. building a chassis car from scratch isn't like simply plugging an engine into a clapped out fox body. it wouldn't even be fair to run my junk against your junk. all you would do is cry about how badly you were outclassed when you lost and how you're so poor. so why waste the effort??? if I was that financially challenged, I wouldn't be spending my money on a race car.

show a little class. get you stuff running and put up some numbers. quit whinning about people who have more money invested in their cars. there will always be plenty of those.

[5 sec DART jr]

blaaa,blaaaa ,blaaaaaa

[5.50streetcar]

i also like all the bullshit about me not being a good engine builder
iv been doing it for over 10 yrs. learned from the best
these guys i learned from were building winston cup engines for winstin cup cars that made the races back in the late 70s
in the late 90s when i met them they did some engines for joe gibbs racing. our dyno numbers blew there mind...no shit.
just alittle side note. when dart started making blocks J.P.(the dude i learned machine work and performance engine building from) . bought 1. they had no place in the back of the block to scavenge oil, for a dry sump system. some reps from dart came by 1 day and jp said something about it to them. now all dart blocks have that provision made into them... just 1 example of learning from people that know shit. ill put my engine building up against anyone one this sight or not. and when it comes race day i may not be able to compete with the guys in real street but ill bet you guys with your so called street -race car can come down and get some, one at a time........

bullshit!
hell dart dont even make a iron head for a sbf its called world products.

[MIKE RANDALL]

5.50 knows!!!

[5 sec DART jr]

bullshit!
hell dart dont even make a iron head for a sbf its called world products.

NO FUCKIN SHIT SHERLOCK.:gtfo: i dont give a shit what they are called. i just like making them bad ass..