Where are the Outlaw 8.5 cars?

[Craig W.]

Does no one want to bolt on some 8.5s and come join the fun? Come on guys, its a great class. But we need cars if its going to survive.

I promise I'll take it easy on ya! ;)

[PRO TORQUE CONVERTERS]

I, am starting on a car not sure yet which class yet, we wont to run the bounty and modified street are ez street in orsca next year.

[RAPIDGT]

well craig you will have to ease up on some to get them to play or bolt on a lil bigger tires and play with lol! but i had made plans of trying to get there and run but ordered my pistons and they sent me 1 after waiting 5 days then they sent then what was suppost to be 3 day air and it took another 5 days and that kept me from getting it to the machine shop to get it balanced in time. maybe next bounty i can try and compete a lil with you and brandon with any luck..

[kevin]

I cant get my car out of the trailer on 26s, hangs up my y-pipe exhaust, I could barely get it out with the 27" tall hoosiers :)

Seriously though, I dont think my car is legal with a BS3, unless 'no aftermarket fuel injection' means something else.

[5 sec DART jr]

I, am starting on a car not sure yet which class yet, we wont to run the bounty and modified street are ez street in orsca next year.

funny they call it e-z street . there's nothing easy about it..lol

[WHITECOUPE]

By the time i ever get mine completed it probably wont exist but keeping the head up and trying my best.

[RAPIDGT]

we get there when we can big dog! hopefully the next bounty with one

[5 sec DART jr]

hopefully next bounty for the ol primer black 83 GT.:pimp:

[WHITECOUPE]

we get there when we can big dog! hopefully the next bounty with one

i heard that. again sorry for the screw up if it can happen it happens to me :dayum:

[Wreckless4thf]

If the rules were opened up that would help imo. Maybe allow the dot='s to run with the 8.5 slicks. Let the tires size be the sole rule and let'm run.

[Craig W.]

The bigger DOT tires are a big advantage over the 8.5s. The small tire is what makes the class so cool. Fans are always wondering how we can go down the track on that little rubber.

A 26x10.5 DOT or a 235/60 drag radial is pretty much the same size, so I'd think they'd be legal to run as the rules are written now.

[Wreckless4thf]

The bigger DOT tires are a big advantage over the 8.5s. The small tire is what makes the class so cool. Fans are always wondering how we can go down the track on that little rubber.

A 26x10.5 DOT or a 235/60 drag radial is pretty much the same size, so I'd think they'd be legal to run as the rules are written now.

These are the rules at London Dragway for the same class and they are doing well.

Outlaw D.O.T. plus 26 X 8.5
-All sheet metal body (fiberglass limited to hood, decklid, and bumpers)
-mufflers required
-no wheelie bars
-must have dash
-full interior (no visible sheet metal)
-Leaf Springs may be moved inward
-single power adders only
-Turbos limited to 88mm
-No sheet metal intakes
-No exotic head combinatioins (Big Duke, etc.)
-No twin turbos
-Windows must be operational
-Tire size limite to 28X12.5 bias ply (et street), 275/60/15
or 26X8.5 slick
Guarnateed purses $600 to win $200 r/up entree $50
open to 16 car field .400 pro tree pro ladder sheet

[Tom]

The bigger DOT tires are a big advantage over the 8.5s. The small tire is what makes the class so cool. Fans are always wondering how we can go down the track on that little rubber.

A 26x10.5 DOT or a 235/60 drag radial is pretty much the same size, so I'd think they'd be legal to run as the rules are written now.

cool or not....if there is no car count, there will eventually be no race.

a 26x10.5 dot or 235 dr stands no chance against a 26x8.5 slick.

most are not going to buy a set of tires for one race. most t&t guys would buy 27's or 28's. but, many already have a set of dot's or a 275 dr. opening the tire up A LITTLE BIT would probably draw in more cars. you have the field covered at the moment and want no changes. but if the car count doesn't increase, the race won't last.

London has a good set of rules to draw cars in.

[mean68]

I HOPE TO BE IN THE 8.5 CLASS AT THE NEXT BOUNTY.

[RAPIDGT]

i think that the class should be run on a 26x8.5 tire period! but if it s going to take letn a 26x10.5 e.t street or a 235 dr to keep the class alive for now then do it, but once its established draw the line back to a 26x8.5. after 2 or 3 bounty's they should then buy the tire to compete or go to another class just my .02! and idk if craig had the class covered and want to keep it that way but if he did he would just be human i guess lol. what calss you plan on running tom when you get the monte done?

[Wreckless4thf]

I have never ran the et street nor a drag radial so I don't personally know for sure but from what I hear they are pretty close when comparing the the above tires. I wanted strict rules for Pro Street at 411 as well to keep the big dogs out and nobody showed. I opened the rules up and 5 showed then the next race nobody showed again after many people saying they would be there lol. So you never know what to do in a class because whatever you do it don't mean they will run. But one thing is for sure the more people that can run a class without making there car specific to your one class the better chance you should have.

IMO, you have to have your car to be class specific to run the outlaw 8.5 class as the rules stand now. Where else would you run those rules except Crossville? It would be hard to be competitive in any other heads up class if you was legal for this. I would love to run it and I feel it would be a great class for my car as I don't have the hp to compete in Real Street. What we need is all the local tracks to make uniform classes in which racers could compete at any of the local tracks on a different weekend and be able to keep there cars the same. But getting track owners to work together would be impossible lol.

[RAPIDGT]

i understand and agree with you on that allan. but the only thing seperating the 8.5 class from the RS class is the tire. if the 8.5 dont make then pull out a lil power and run the 6.0 class i guess or thats what i will do i guess. the small tire is what makes this class special imo.

[Tom]

i think that the class should be run on a 26x8.5 tire period! but if it s going to take letn a 26x10.5 e.t street or a 235 dr to keep the class alive for now then do it, but once its established draw the line back to a 26x8.5. after 2 or 3 bounty's they should then buy the tire to compete or go to another class just my .02! and idk if craig had the class covered and want to keep it that way but if he did he would just be human i guess lol. what calss you plan on running tom when you get the monte done?

you have to have car count for a race to survive....period! I think it's a great class and would love to see it grow. but you need at least 8 cars to show.

no monte carlo ss for me.....Rat and I went to pa. yesterday (600 miles one way) and picked up a 1980 malibu dr roller. it needs a driver's door, hood and paint. but all of the hard work is done.

[Wreckless4thf]

i understand and agree with you on that allan. but the only thing seperating the 8.5 class from the RS class is the tire. if the 8.5 dont make then pull out a lil power and run the 6.0 class i guess or thats what i will do i guess. the small tire is what makes this class special imo.

I agree, put on some 8.5's and run what ya brung let the tire be the limiting factor. It wouldn't matter how much hp you could make the battle would be getting it down the track on that small tire lol. If all a person had to do was buy a set of tires/rims to run this class I would think it would be very popular.

[RAPIDGT]

i agree with you and allan both tom. and it will take atleast 8 cars to make a class and a show. i know 3 cars that if were done would have been there and that alone would have made 5. and man just last week you were a monte man lol. post up some pics man.

[Craig W.]

[QUOTE=Wreckless4thf;1532513]These are the rules at London Dragway for the same class and they are doing well.
QUOTE]

I ran the London race. The 28x12.50 is definitely a big advantage. The track was marginal and the one car on the big tires could lay down a lot more power.

The big tires mixed in the with the little tires made it look like a 10.5 car was running with the 8.5 cars. The fans were confused about it. So that doesn't help as far as developing a fan base.

[Craig W.]

Which rules make you have to build a class specific car to run 8.5? There are tons of stock chassis, stock suspension, single power adder cars out there.

As for me wanting to keep the rules the way they are so that I have the field covered, that's certainly not the case. There are cars that fit the existing rules that can show up and give me a very hard time. Gerald Boyd and Robert Hollingsworth from down near Jackson, TN, David Pouw from Indiana, Brent Bramwell from Ohio, Vern House from Indiana...these are all guys that fit the existing rules and have been running Outlaw 8.5 a long time. I just have a leg up on the field right now due to the 4-5 years I've been running this class.

[5 sec DART jr]

id come race but im busted broke..seriously.... i have 40 bucks to my name and i have zilch-o in the bank.....no shit... i dont know how i survive.i need to give this shit up and get a god damn job... this shit is a fuckin joke.. dreamin and shit..

[RAPIDGT]

man i dont know if any of us here will beat you but we plan on making you run a good race or we may slip one up on you lol! just as long as we have fun. and opinion from people that have run the class for years is more helpful to make the class live imo! not saying anyone is wrong, but like i said if we have to tweek it for a bounty or two to get the cars there then we need to make the class start to make a showing!

[RAPIDGT]

id come race but im busted broke..seriously.... i have 40 bucks to my name and i have zilch-o in the bank.....no shit... i dont know how i survive.i need to give this shit up and get a god damn job... this shit is a fuckin joke.. dreamin and shit..

man times are hard for most of us right now. the ecconomy is shit right now with no end in sight! i understand what you are saying dart, SHIT GETS OLD QUICK!!!!

[Craig W.]

I agree, put on some 8.5's and run what ya brung let the tire be the limiting factor. It wouldn't matter how much hp you could make the battle would be getting it down the track on that small tire lol. If all a person had to do was buy a set of tires/rims to run this class I would think it would be very popular.


The problem with opening up all the rules to let anything in is that you'll get high dollar cars dominating and the new comer to heads-up racing won't have a chance. There needs to be limits to give the guys new to heads-up racing a chance. They won't show up if they feel they can't compete.

[Craig W.]

man i dont know if any of us here will beat you but we plan on making you run a good race or we may slip one up on you lol! just as long as we have fun. and opinion from people that have run the class for years is more helpful to make the class live imo! not saying anyone is wrong, but like i said if we have to tweek it for a bounty or two to get the cars there then we need to make the class start to make a showing!

Having fun is what its all about. We certainly aren't going to make a living at this stuff! LOL

I'm sure you guys are going to give me all I want.

Is it the stock suspension or some of the power adder rules that may be keeping some local cars away?

[RAPIDGT]

not really sure man, most cars here are running a stock suspenion setup anyways. i know of 3 cars that if were done would have been there sat. here is mine but im just waiting on a powerplant to get finished lol

[RAPIDGT]

and seeing you go 124mph+ and a string of 5.80s-5.60s aint encouraging anyone lol, good job man

[Craig W.]

Thanks, going down a good track really helps.

I want to help the car count, but I'm not sure I can help by slowing down. LOL I have a feeling that before long, I'll be looking for some ET.

[Tom]

[QUOTE=Wreckless4thf;1532513]These are the rules at London Dragway for the same class and they are doing well.
QUOTE]

I ran the London race. The 28x12.50 is definitely a big advantage. The track was marginal and the one car on the big tires could lay down a lot more power.


were you not the number one qualifier???

[Tom]

and man just last week you were a monte man lol. post up some pics man.

a malibu was my second choice and a killer deal presented itself. it's a "stock" suspension car with a moly cage.

[Tom]

There are cars that fit the existing rules that can show up and give me a very hard time. Gerald Boyd and Robert Hollingsworth from down near Jackson, TN, David Pouw from Indiana, Brent Bramwell from Ohio, Vern House from Indiana...these are all guys that fit the existing rules and have been running Outlaw 8.5 a long time.

I doubt that any of those guys will show up at I-40.

The problem with opening up all the rules to let anything in is that you'll get high dollar cars dominating and the new comer to heads-up racing won't have a chance.

says the man with sponsors in his sig. :D



They won't show up if they feel they can't compete.

my point exactly.

[SHOPEY]

I THINK ITS A TRICK CLASS! AND I WAS CONSIDERING RUNNING THIS CLASS. HAD A LITTLE STRING OF BAD LUCK WITH MY CAR. BUT WHO KNOWS TIME WILL TELL?
BUT DEFINATELY DONT HAVE THE HP.

[kevin]

The problem with opening up all the rules to let anything in is that you'll get high dollar cars dominating and the new comer to heads-up racing won't have a chance. There needs to be limits to give the guys new to heads-up racing a chance. They won't show up if they feel they can't compete.

Well you know some would consider your car a high dollar car, and it is kinda dominating :)

On an 8.5 tire with no minimum weights the lightest car usually has a good sized advantage so the whole 'tire makes everything even' is kinda moot unless you weigh the cars.

[5 sec DART jr]

wtf? NO EXOTIC HEAD COMBOS. BIG DUKE ,ETC.THAT LEAVES alot for speculation dont it?
hey rapid. we need to put my engine in your car.....

[Craig W.]

[QUOTE=Craig W.;1532847]

were you not the number one qualifier???

No, the Mustang on the 28x12.50 ET Streets qualified #1. I was #2. I believe he ran in a 5.79 somewhere along the way and I never got it to run faster than 5.91 that day.

[Craig W.]

I doubt that any of those guys will show up at I-40.



says the man with sponsors in his sig. :D





my point exactly.

I'm not sure why Boyd and Hollingsworth aren't showing up. I thought for sure Hollingsworth would have been there this time. Pouw was at the May race, but its a long haul down from Indiana. My point was that there are cars out there that fit the rules that can run as good and better than me. Pouw has been a 5.58 in legal trim on the 8.5s.

[Craig W.]

Well you know some would consider your car a high dollar car, and it is kinda dominating :)

On an 8.5 tire with no minimum weights the lightest car usually has a good sized advantage so the whole 'tire makes everything even' is kinda moot unless you weigh the cars.

My car is far from high dollar. Leaf springs in the stock location, stock front suspension, simple 10 pt. cage, just a Big Shot plate, original rearend housing, old wheels, etc.

I just have a lot of passes on the 8.5s so I've got a head start on the competition.

My car is 3250 with me in it. That's the weight we had to run at OSCA and that's the weight that all my setup is tuned around. I haven't wanted to screw it up, so I've left all the weight in it. I could take 120 lbs out of the trunk, but I've not no removable weight on the nose.

[kevin]

My car is far from high dollar. Leaf springs in the stock location, stock front suspension, simple 10 pt. cage, just a Big Shot plate, original rearend housing, old wheels, etc.

I just have a lot of passes on the 8.5s so I've got a head start on the competition.

My car is 3250 with me in it. That's the weight we had to run at OSCA and that's the weight that all my setup is tuned around. I haven't wanted to screw it up, so I've left all the weight in it. I could take 120 lbs out of the trunk, but I've not no removable weight on the nose.

To some ANY consistent 5.60 car is high dollar no matter what tires its on, thats my only point. Seriously how many 5.60-5.70 cars total are there at I-40 total that would fit the 8.5 rules? If there were 2-3 more tracks around running an outlaw 8.5 program it may catch on but not many people are going to spend the time or money building a competitive 8.5 car for one race a month. I would imagine if someone had a car that could run 6.0 or faster on 8.5s it would be there already.

I'm not saying your car is light, but a 2800lb car with the weight in the right place has a big advantage over a 3200lb car in reaction time and ability to hook it up on a smaller tire so its just a matter of time before someone does it and becomes the Billy Smith of 8.5 at I-40 or Outlaw DOT at London. I bet there are a few cars that can do well in 8.5 running around here if they really wanted to. I think its a cool class myself, but its going to take a little time to catch on since no one really has a purpose built 8.5 car around here I know of.

[Wreckless4thf]

To some ANY consistent 5.60 car is high dollar no matter what tires its on, thats my only point. Seriously how many 5.60-5.70 cars total are there at I-40 total that would fit the 8.5 rules? If there were 2-3 more tracks around running an outlaw 8.5 program it may catch on but not many people are going to spend the time or money building a competitive 8.5 car for one race a month. I would imagine if someone had a car that could run 6.0 or faster on 8.5s it would be there already.

I'm not saying your car is light, but a 2800lb car with the weight in the right place has a big advantage over a 3200lb car in reaction time and ability to hook it up on a smaller tire so its just a matter of time before someone does it and becomes the Billy Smith of 8.5 at I-40 or Outlaw DOT at London. I bet there are a few cars that can do well in 8.5 running around here if they really wanted to. I think its a cool class myself, but its going to take a little time to catch on since no one really has a purpose built 8.5 car around here I know of.

Kevin, that car looked killer at 411 Saturday, it was really hauling the mail with the air as bad as it was. I heard you had a brand new tranny?

[kevin]

Kevin, that car looked killer at 411 Saturday, it was really hauling the mail with the air as bad as it was. I heard you had a brand new tranny?

It wasnt running that well, didnt hook at all in 1st gear, some crap weather for sure :(

Not a new trans, just a new valve body, I put a griner VB in the 400 to help with reaction time a little. The TCI brake was slow as hell to release, no big deal on a .500 pro tree or bracket tree but a .400 pro tree was terrible..

[Wreckless4thf]

It wasnt running that well, didnt hook at all in 1st gear, some crap weather for sure :(

Not a new trans, just a new valve body, I put a griner VB in the 400 to help with reaction time a little. The TCI brake was slow as hell to release, no big deal on a .500 pro tree or bracket tree but a .400 pro tree was terrible..


I didn't have any trouble hooking as my front wheels went airborn everytime but the air was over 4,000ft. My 60ft's was 1.34 and that was what they were on the shootouts as well.

[Tom]

Craig, I'm happy to see that you can have an intelligent discussion about this without taking it as an attack like many would. it's not meant as an attack on your car as I would love to see this class get big. if it had a tight field and many cars it would probably be the most entertaining class to watch at the bounty. I thought about trying it myself with the new car. but I think it might be too hard to get the car up on the tire with an iron headed big block.

[outlaw68]

well I can say this from the series standpoint. I dont believe with the economy the way it is, its gonna grow over night. But I do feel it will grow and I may need to make some rule adjustments to get it there. The tire size will be 8.5x 26 though...I appreciate the ones who are trying and the ones who are building, so for that reason Im not gonna do much... I love the class just need more of it..lol

[kevin]

I didn't have any trouble hooking as my front wheels went airborn everytime but the air was over 4,000ft. My 60ft's was 1.34 and that was what they were on the shootouts as well.

I pulled the wheels too, but after that the tires just let go and it was almost like stepping on the brakes - logs dont lie :)

[kevin]

well I can say this from the series standpoint. I dont believe with the economy the way it is, its gonna grow over night. But I do feel it will grow and I may need to make some rule adjustments to get it there. The tire size will be 8.5x 26 though...I appreciate the ones who are trying and the ones who are building, so for that reason Im not gonna do much... I love the class just need more of it..lol

Get rid of the non aftermarket fuel injection thing and I'll give the 8.5s a try. Usually the prep is good on bounty nights so I dont think the 8.5s are a huge disadvantage for me to be honest. I have no idea what the big deal is with aftermarket injection, my car ran just as quick with the OE computer, just got sick of the bundle of wires for the 2 step and injector driver.

[Wreckless4thf]

I pulled the wheels too, but after that the tires just let go and it was almost like stepping on the brakes - logs dont lie :)

If it was like stepping on the brakes I would hate to see that biotch like it was wide open. That car was flying and for you to be running 6.0's in + 4,000ft of air 90% + humidity in a heavy azz car like you have on a small tire, now that is impressive.

[kevin]

If it was like stepping on the brakes I would hate to see that biotch like it was wide open. That car was flying and for you to be running 6.0's in + 4,000ft of air 90% + humidity in a heavy azz car like you have on a small tire, now that is impressive.

I'm not complaining, just want hooking very hard and about 50' out it would just break loose, I could hear the tires screeching shifting 2nd from inside the car :) But getting there at 8pm on a regular T&T day isnt the best thing, track is usually pretty used up by then. Was hoping to make it to crossville and run 6.0 but was running way too late.

[RAPIDGT]

wtf? NO EXOTIC HEAD COMBOS. BIG DUKE ,ETC.THAT LEAVES alot for speculation dont it?
hey rapid. we need to put my engine in your car.....

man i dropped my motor off at the machine shop today to get balanced but if its not ready by the bounty then lets get-r-done son!!!

[RAPIDGT]

and imo i think the bs3 is far better setup and give you lots more advantage in tunning. again just my .02

[WHITECOUPE]

x2

[RAPIDGT]

its nothing towards kevin but i think leaving the aftermarket fi stuff out is a good thing for this class. cause it limits forced induction like a 4A line does a nitrous car imo.

[kevin]

its nothing towards kevin but i think leaving the aftermarket fi stuff out is a good thing for this class. cause it limits forced induction like a 4A line does a nitrous car imo.

How do you figure, it has no advantage over a stock LS1 PCM power-wise, matter of fact the stock PCM LS tuning software is better then the BS3 software. LS cars have been low 8s on a stock PCM and have made over 1200hp on an engine dyno. A blow through carb can easily make as much power.

Since its a tire limited class it really doesnt matter how much power you make anyhow, any of the faster 8.5 tire cars can make enough power to blow the tires off the car, weight is way bigger factor IMO.

Doesnt matter to me really, cheaper to stay home :)

[RAPIDGT]

In My Opinion is just that imo. i didnt say it was right or wrong just stated my opinion. and if stock is better or as good why spend money to up grade for no gain? again just my opinion. would like to see you there racing but like you said its cheaper to stay home lol

[kevin]

In My Opinion is just that imo. i didnt say it was right or wrong just stated my opinion. and if stock is better or as good why spend money to up grade for no gain? again just my opinion. would like to see you there racing but like you said its cheaper to stay home lol

I'm just stating my opinion too, I have ran the stock PCM, Gen 7 DFI and a BS3 so I have a pretty good idea. Its kind of funny because the car slowed down with the gen7 because their LS coil driver isnt as good as the stock PCM :)

I upgraded for the same reason a lot of LS people upgrade, I used to have an add on injector driver box and an add on 2 step and I just didnt like all those wires and extra boxes. Plus I have a 98 and the better custom operating systems are for the 99+ cars, 2 bar is the best you can get for a 98 since its only a one year operating system. It was cheaper to just pick a used BS3 then change all the wiring harnesses to convert to a 99+ PCM. About the only advantage of the a BS3 (or FAST/XFI/DFI) is it has individual cylinder spark and fuel, that may help some people but unless you have 8 EGTs and logging them you can do more damage than good with it.

A -4 line limits the amount of power you can make, same with turbo size or blower size. Fuel injection is fuel injection, all it does is squirt fuel in there. Unless you limit the size of injectors then whats the difference if its aftermarket or not. Its not like its 1990 and the factory computers suck and a FAST/BS3 is that much better anymore.

But it still goes back to being a tire limited class, if you take a 4.90 car and bolt on some 8.5s you arent going to go any quicker then a guy with a 5.50 car at the same weight if he bolts on 8.5s - in theory anyhow. If someone can go 5.20 on 8.5s because they are making 500hp more then the tires arent that limiting lol.

Like I said I'm willing to spend 300.00 on tires and at least 150.00 to get the car there and make a race and run against cars that have ran faster at I-40 on 8.5s then I have 10.5x28s, I cant do much more than that.

[kevin]

Actually looking at the rules its says:

Single four barrel only
OEM fuel injection allowed (common upgrades allowed)
After market fuel injection allowed only on V6 applications

then a little further down it says:

Single turbo or supercharger allowed on blow-through carb or OEM style fuel injection (V8 applications only)

I would imagine the BS3 is OEM 'style' fuel injection, it has 8 injectors and its on an OEM intake manifold :) It would depend on how you define 'style' I suppose.

[matchstick]

How do you figure, it has no advantage over a stock LS1 PCM power-wise, matter of fact the stock PCM LS tuning software is better then the BS3 software. LS cars have been low 8s on a stock PCM and have made over 1200hp on an engine dyno. A blow through carb can easily make as much power.

Since its a tire limited class it really doesnt matter how much power you make anyhow, any of the faster 8.5 tire cars can make enough power to blow the tires off the car, weight is way bigger factor IMO.

Doesnt matter to me really, cheaper to stay home :)

I agree on this. The LS1 PCM is a great piece and very tuneable. It's just a big pain to try to wire it all. That's why a bought a FAST setup. Just to try to make things a little easier.

[outlaw68]

I think the after market stuff is easier to tune for wheel speed and so on...

[matchstick]

I can let you play with the Hp tuners or EFI live if you'd like to make a comparison.

[outlaw68]

i got something you can play with..

[matchstick]

:gtfo::finger2:

[outlaw68]

lmao....

[kevin]

I think the after market stuff is easier to tune for wheel speed and so on...

I dont use a wheel speed sensor, thats only used for traction control, and if thats what people are worried about its simple enough to check for a driveshaft sensor or the slew on a 7531 being disabled.

I dont see anything saying the slew on a 7531 must be disconnected though.

If you want cars to show up maybe use the OSM rules that is still an active organization rather then the OSCA rules which no longer exists.

http://www.outlawstreetmadness.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=28

Then if someone starts dominating with a FAST or BS3 change the rules, right now you are just excluding way to many people that have running cars and all they have to do is bolt on some tires..

[Wreckless4thf]

I dont use a wheel speed sensor, thats only used for traction control, and if thats what people are worried about its simple enough to check for a driveshaft sensor or the slew on a 7531 being disabled.

I dont see anything saying the slew on a 7531 must be disconnected though.

If you want cars to show up maybe use the OSM rules that is still an active organization rather then the OSCA rules which no longer exists.

http://www.outlawstreetmadness.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=28

Then if someone starts dominating with a FAST or BS3 change the rules, right now you are just excluding way to many people that have running cars and all they have to do is bolt on some tires..

Those rules look good and would fit a wide range of cars but still no scales at Crossville.

[kevin]

Those rules look good and would fit a wide range of cars but still no scales at Crossville.

The 2007 OSCA rules which Crossville is using now also had weights, just no reason listing them if there is no scales.

Oh well, I guess one more car wont make much of a difference..

[railroadkenny502]

HELL IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE WHAT U WEIGHT GO TO THE GAS STATION HAVE A OFFICIAL WEIGH ON GENNISIS RD. GET U A ICE CREAM AT THE DQ THEN LOAD UP AND GO RACING I THINK ITS 7 DOLLARS, TILL JIM GETS A SET OF SCALES. THEN THERE WONT BE NO MORE WHINNING AND CRYING ON THE BS THATS JUST MY .02

[RAPIDGT]

Oh well, I guess one more car wont make much of a difference..

there will be more then one more at the next bounty. may not be competative but will be there.

[kevin]

there will be more then one more at the next bounty. may not be competitive but will be there.

Dont get me wrong, I hope there are 50 cars running in 8.5 next time, I didnt start this thread asking where the 8.5 cars were :)

[RAPIDGT]

i just stated that there would be another there (mine) and i didnt start this thread askn either :)

[railroadkenny502]

hey randell STUD MUFFIN RACING.......HAHAHAHAHAHA

[kevin]

i just stated that there would be another there (mine) and i didnt start this thread askn either :)

I know, just dont want to give the impression that I'm mad because I cant race in the 8.5 class.

If I was that worried about it I could easily stick the stock PCM in the car and run a few wires to something, but I'm not that worried about it. Doesnt hurt to ask though..

[RAPIDGT]

i didnt take you that way at all. jim has the say i guess since it is his show so we will see lol.

[carplight]

if someone would buy me a new set of M/H 8.5 I would run it I all ready have a -4 line and a plate system

[RAPIDGT]

damn more competition lol! then we couldnt mess with newc if you did.

[kevin]

if someone would buy me a new set of M/H 8.5 I would run it I all ready have a -4 line and a plate system

I have a set of brand new M/T 8.5s I'll cut you a deal on :)

[carplight]

I have a set of brand new M/T 8.5s I'll cut you a deal on :)lol if would have to a real good deal. Hell I cant get my car down the track right now on the 28s

[kevin]

lol if would have to a real good deal. Hell I cant get my car down the track right now on the 28s

I'll probably try them out myself, I'm just curious to see how they work on my car. If I'm going to give them away may as well try them out first ;)