Why does every srt-4 have 500 whp?

[kenscivic]

Well this thread is because I read 02si thread and I started thinking.... Everytime I am at the meet there are about 5 srt-4s and everyone claims 500 whp..


Are srt-4s the new supras?!?!:ohmy:

[CMS-GT4]

That is accumulative hp. All 5 srt4's combined at the gathering = 500hp. Don't believe the hype.

[TonyBolton]

I've found that most anytime I gather in "car meets" I listen to at least ONE guy that has more than anyone else, or used to have more than anyone else or WILL HAVE more than anyone else when whatever they have is finished.

It's a main reason I don't do large gatherings as I really don't care about what someone HAS, but care more along the lines of how it is used. As in me physically watching it, not listening about it.

I really don't understand why it is that car people feel it is so necessary to "one up" someone. This is why I pride myself of driving ability vs. mechanical or financial skill in things car related.

[02 si turd]

damn i hate you lol but i never claimed five hundred hp.but ill get in to the srt4 genre if you will."ill bust that pontiacs ass if you want me to"haha

[kenscivic]

I've found that most anytime I gather in "car meets" I listen to at least ONE guy that has more than anyone else, or used to have more than anyone else or WILL HAVE more than anyone else when whatever they have is finished.

It's a main reason I don't do large gatherings as I really don't care about what someone HAS, but care more along the lines of how it is used. As in me physically watching it, not listening about it.

I really don't understand why it is that car people feel it is so necessary to "one up" someone. This is why I pride myself of driving ability vs. mechanical or financial skill in things car related.

Cha, I never claim to have anything fancy..... Hell I think some mopeds out there have more hp than my hunk


damn i hate you lol but i never claimed five hundred hp.but ill get in to the srt4 genre if you will."ill bust that pontiacs ass if you want me to"haha


I know you don't say it, You are like me, we both know our shit sucks :booty:

[TonyBolton]

Cha, I never claim to have anything fancy..... Hell I think some mopeds out there have more hp than my hunk


You know what I mean. I guess i'm just the "anti-car guy". I really don't want to talk about cars all the time. I want to be doing something with me, mainly driving and not working on them.

[sux2bu]

Personally I think the Neon SRT-4's are pretty quick cars from the factory and are very capable of Gobbs of HP for their dispalcement. The problem with them is that every 16 yr old punk kid has one and that makes them one of the biggest Douche Bag Cars out there... Hell the Stage 3 kit from Dodge puts it up in the 350 hp range which is probably about what my V8 Camaro is putting out... :( That's pretty impressive in my book.

[H23LUDE]

its still a NEON

[sux2bu]

its still a NEON

:werd:

[Reddy_4_Fast]

I cant stand the neon's mainly because of the drivers, i will give dodge the respect, they are easy to get power out of, but its just like every front wheel drive all the power in the world doesnt mean shit if you cant put it to the ground...nor can they take a corner for shit

[kenscivic]

I agree with yall, they are neat for what they are capable of.. It just seems like everybody who owns one (minus a few) says they have 500 whp .... I am sure other type of car owners exaggerate too but I have noticed alot from srt-4 owners..

A conversation goes like :

Them: Yah I have a cai and catback exhaust and boost is turned upto 50 psi

random person: So how much power you got?

them: mid 500 whp

[rickyboby]

Dnt forget that the srt4 cars are all to fast to take to the track. Lol. Like i said b4 its easy to respect a car its not as easy to respect the owner. Like this black neon with pink stripes around chatsworth. Claimed 400 whp but yet he wont run me unless its on the street. I even agreed to do a 40 roll at the track but yet he backed dwn.

[TonyBolton]

It seems like most 'tards I encounter are in Mustangs. :doh3: :hiding:

[mikepotts]

It seems like most 'tards I encounter are in Mustangs. :doh3: :hiding:

yeah that sucks! they start adding up the "paper horsepower"
i got exhaust thats... 15 hp
i got CAI thats.... 15 hp
i got pullys... at least 10...ect, before you know it they have 350 hp with a stock long block... :lame:

[kenscivic]

my car has around 300 whp I am sure...... maybe.... probably not.....


I have a super secret modification to make my car light.. 3rd gear delete option for the 4l60e

[not cbring]

nor can they take a corner for shit

I'd like to try one.

I was very impressed with my friend's turbo Cobalt that I got to autocross. :) I'd like to see how the SRT-4 compares.

[02 si turd]

my car has around 300 whp I am sure...... maybe.... probably not.....


I have a super secret modification to make my car light.. 3rd gear delete option for the 4l60e

i might just have to post the vid in the morning,but for now its time to sleep,i told you it had 501whp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[02 si turd]

I'd like to try one.

I was very impressed with my friend's turbo Cobalt that I got to autocross. :) I'd like to see how the SRT-4 compares.

they suck in the turns,trust me,THATS RIGHT I OWN A "NEON" SRT4! but if bolton would be willing to give a fat guy a ride in that mustang of his in an autocross i would be tickled pink!

[kenscivic]

i might just have to post the vid in the morning,but for now its time to sleep,i told you it had 501whp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol we need to race when i get tOOn'd. It was a good run until BLAPBLAPBLAPBLAP happened.:chair:

[TonyBolton]

they suck in the turns,trust me,THATS RIGHT I OWN A "NEON" SRT4! but if bolton would be willing to give a fat guy a ride in that mustang of his in an autocross i would be tickled pink!

Oh you didn't know? I suck at life and my car is setup completely bassackwards. Ask anyone, they'll tell'ya.

[turbotalon97]

And he makes 1.33 an hour.

[TonyBolton]

...before taxes.

[02 si turd]

baller

[not cbring]

they suck in the turns,trust me,THATS RIGHT I OWN A "NEON" SRT4! but if bolton would be willing to give a fat guy a ride in that mustang of his in an autocross i would be tickled pink!

I'd still like to try one for myself. Most of the ones that I've watched aren't very well driven...

[TonyBolton]

I don't think i'd ever want to autocross/race anything FWD ever again. It was quite horrible.

[not cbring]

I don't think i'd ever want to autocross/race anything FWD ever again. It was quite horrible.

I like it. I like RWD, too. They can respond to too much throttle differently, but they are mostly the same. With it being a hobby and all ;), I'll continue to drive whatever fits my budget and needs.

My goal is to be fairly decent in anything I drive. :)

[TonyBolton]

My goal is to be fairly decent in anything I drive. :)

Wow....thats my same goal. Hmmm, must get confused up with all the pointing out of people that I can drive better than thing. Oh well.... :jerkit:

[kenscivic]

Welp where is the video of the srt-4 spanking a broke lt1?! I've been waiting all day

[1slowhatch]

You don't see a whole lot of those" 500 hp" srt4s at the track. I've seen 1 race since I've been going to 411, I think it went mid 9's...LOL.
500 whp at 9 million rpm with fwd and no torque...not exactly the drag race machine people think. But thankfully all the torque steer makes them handle "awesome"....Maybe they get good mileage? LOL.

[02 si turd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyEaKs5oP7Q .you might have to hit play a couple of times but it worked for me

[02 si turd]

You don't see a whole lot of those" 500 hp" srt4s at the track. I've seen 1 race since I've been going to 411, I think it went mid 9's...LOL.
500 whp at 9 million rpm with fwd and no torque...not exactly the drag race machine people think. But thankfully all the torque steer makes them handle "awesome"....Maybe they get good mileage? LOL.
hell ours is stock and it went 8.9@81 with a noob driving

[kenscivic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyEaKs5oP7Q .you might have to hit play a couple of times but it worked for me

Lol, it was a good race until the BLOBLOPBLOB


You need to edit the title "BROKE LT1 KEEPS UP WITH 500WHP srt-4"

Give me a month to get a good tune and we will run em' again IIIGHT

[02 si turd]

will do sir

[93civEJ1]

I had one for about 2 months before I decided to let it go.

[02 si turd]

im pretty pleased with the car so far.I dont like telling everyone that i have one because of a select few that give them a bad name.

[04srt4black]

I got my 1st srt4 back in 04 when they first come out , i was 18 and if anyone has ever met me im one of the most laid back people you will ever meet , nothing bothers me . I sold that car in feb 07 and it put down 434 whp and 476wtq that was with the Mopar stage 3 pushing 27psi with ALL supporting mods , IE exhaust , intake , spearco fmic , agp , cams , pnp head , rebuilt bottm end , etc.

There are alot out there that claim 500whp , but i have never seen one around here other than a buddy of mine with a gt3076r he hit like 510whp on 30psi or some shit .

I bought the car in my avatar wrecked and built it from scratch , its an 08 srt4 caliber and it was a love / hate with that car , but i sold it awhile back and figured i would grow up and now i aint got nothing but a truck , bike , and an ATV and couldnt be happier .

But like stated , alot of people that have them now are teenage kids and people in there early/mid 20's and they are COCKY , i like to fuck with them because i know ALOT about the srt4 i have been working on them since 04 and have parted out over 20 wrecked ones , i love asking simple ?'s and getting their answers , lol . Its hillarious .

[TonyBolton]

i love asking simple ?'s and getting their answers , lol . Its hillarious .

This is where alot of my amusement comes from as well(Mustangs, of course). ;)

[1slowhatch]

dodge should have made the srt4 a rwd car. They'd be selling like hot cakes and dominating the "sport compact" world.

[kenscivic]

will do sir

Lol I am playing man, I don't care


dodge should have made the srt4 a rwd car. They'd be selling like hot cakes and dominating the "sport compact" world.

Or awd.... Awd srt-4 neon = pretty nifty if you ask me.

[04srt4black]

The 07 up caliber R/T's come in AWD , but its not full time , it only operates when it needs too . A few idiots were talking about swapping an AWD drivetrain into the Caliber SRT4 , looks like it is possible , but worth it ? definetly not to me .

[kenscivic]

The 07 up caliber R/T's come in AWD , but its not full time , it only operates when it needs too . A few idiots were talking about swapping an AWD drivetrain into the Caliber SRT4 , looks like it is possible , but worth it ? definetly not to me .

does seem like alot of work for a 4 banger... Reminds me of the guy years ago that spent a sh it ton of money to make an integra awd.

[fatkid]

does seem like alot of work for a 4 banger... Reminds me of the guy years ago that spent a sh it ton of money to make an integra awd.

Honda actually made an awd factory Integra for a couple of years in Japan. 94 and 95, I believe. I believe it was on a d-series platform and they used a lot of stuff on the civic wagons from the late eighties. Not that you really care, just wanted to relay some of my useless honda knowledge, lol.

On the topic of neon ownage, if it was rwd or awd. They will need to do a lot to those things to make them able to have an effective power band seeing as how the redline is like 6200 rpms from the factory. I guess they could de-stroke them or do some other major bottom end changes to get more rpms, but a small displacement 4 cylinder needs to be able to make a lot of power from 6000 to 9000 to even 10000+ rpms, in order to run with the fast cars in SFWD or Hot Rod. I think there are a couple of neons that show up some time, but I think they are older ones with lighter bodies, and probably not even the SRT motor. To be compete with the hondas, they need to run low 9s or high 8s at 2500 lbs min weight. The hondas are making 900 to 1000 horsepower in this class on 72 or 74mm turbos.

[Streak]

To be compete with the hondas, they need to run low 9s or high 8s at 2500 lbs min weight. The hondas are making 900 to 1000 horsepower in this class on 72 or 74mm turbos.


1000 hp at 2500 pounds to go Low 9's!!! I would eat a fucking bullet if I made 1000hp and only went high 8's maybe low 9's with an all out race car!


NMCA street radial cars are 3200 - 3400 lbs and make the same hp maybe 1100 on a good day and the top cars go 8.60's low 70's. The average guy runs 9.20's at that weight and HP.Oh and thats on the class mandated 275/60/15 BFG Drag radial!

1000hp at 2500 pounds should be high 7's not high eights!

[fatkid]

1000 hp at 2500 pounds to go Low 9's!!! I would eat a fucking bullet if I made 1000hp and only went high 8's maybe low 9's with an all out race car!


NMCA street radial cars are 3200 - 3400 lbs and make the same hp maybe 1100 on a good day and the top cars go 8.60's low 70's. The average guy runs 9.20's at that weight and HP.Oh and thats on the class mandated 275/60/15 BFG Drag radial!

1000hp at 2500 pounds should be high 7's not high eights!

Which one of these cars was a 4 cylinder FWD? Thats 2 more of the requirements. I think there is also a displacement limit, but I am not sure.

These are not all out race cars, as the class is called SFWD, which means Street Front Wheel Drive, no wheelie bars or crazy suspension allowed. Most of the cars require weight to be added to them to meet the weight limit. The car that won the $10,000 "Outlaw" race in October ran 8.75 at 172 mph in the final on a cracked cylinder head. The head was cracked before he brought it out as he discovered it the week of the race and didn't have time to fix it. It must not of been too bad, but it was getting coolant in that cylinder and out the exhaust, so he said he dialed it back a little to save the motor. I would say he can easily fix it with the $10,000 he won plus the other thousands he got in contingency money. It would be interesting to see what he would have ran on full power.

I know and everyone should know that a RWD car can go faster, as it will have a large traction advantage, as well as torque, which will make up the difference in the weight. I was just comparing a SRT4 neon to the class of car it would be in to drag race other "imports," not a comparison to RWD cars with much larger displacements.

[Streak]

It doesn't matter what the displacement is 1000hp is 1000hp! The street radial cars have to have all the working street stuff and full interior including Headliner, carpet, Stock Dash and steering column and on stock suspension! They also have a stock floor pan from front to rear.

This was a thread about SRT-4's and their owners. Nobody said anything about honda's! You brought them up and said they were far superior to a SRT-4, so I politely jumped in and said that a whole class of cars no matter the make were superior at the drag strip to the SFWD honda's...

I give the honda's and whatever credit for making Damn good HP. The downside to those combo's is the reliability and the shitty FWD platform they are in and the fact that they have power band of about 250 rpm and make 11ft pounds of tq....

EDIT: I forgot to mention that ALL of the SR cars are 360" max small blocks with no more than a .550 lift FLAT TAPPET or HYD Roller camshaft...

[fatkid]

It doesn't matter what the displacement is 1000hp is 1000hp! The street radial cars have to have all the working street stuff and full interior including Headliner, carpet, Stock Dash and steering column and on stock suspension! They also have a stock floor pan from front to rear.

This was a thread about SRT-4's and their owners. Nobody said anything about honda's! You brought them up and said they were far superior to a SRT-4, so I politely jumped in and said that a whole class of cars no matter the make were superior at the drag strip to the SFWD honda's...

I give the honda's and whatever credit for making Damn good HP. The downside to those combo's is the reliability and the shitty FWD platform they are in and the fact that they have power band of about 250 rpm and make 11ft pounds of tq....

EDIT: I forgot to mention that ALL of the SR cars are 360" max small blocks with no more than a .550 lift FLAT TAPPET or HYD Roller camshaft...

My post about hondas was directed towards 1slowhatch's post:

"dodge should have made the srt4 a rwd car. They'd be selling like hot cakes and dominating the "sport compact" world."

You have once again brought up RWD 360" v8 cars to compare to FWD 122" I-4 cars, and to tell us all how they are so much better for drag racing. Its a dead horse, so stop beating it.

You also contradict yourself, when you say 1000 horsepower is 1000 horsepower regardless of the displacement, and then go on to say that Hondas or "whatever" (which I assume you mean small displacement 4 cylinders) suck because they have power band of about 250 rpm and make 11ft pounds of tq....

Which one is it, 1000 horsepower is 1000 horsepower, or work over time matters?

When you come in and start comparing and saying this and this is slow because this completely different thing can do better, is like someone posting that John Force's Drag car will destroy the v8 street radial class. Atleast they are both V8s and RWD though, lol. No one would consider that a remotely fair comparison, but its on the same level as your comparison to 4 cylinders.

Lastly, I do believe that a turbo 4 cylinder SRT4 Neon is a fair comparison to other 4 cylinder turbo cars. I compared it to FWD, as that is how it came from the factory. The other guy mentioned RWD, and I don't think it would have a good competitor for an s2000 or even an Nissan, but you never know. I also don't know that speaking about reliability and 1000 horsepower go in the same sentence, but I would expect 360" V8s to be more reliable, but I don't know, as I would expect that horsepower and torque could break somethings too.

[fatkid]

One other thing I want to add, I am not "hating" on the SRT4 because its a domestic or whatever. The Ecotec from GM has been proven in the 4 cylinder world to be a good competitor for the Hondas in FWD drag racing. They can make great power and GM even has an auto trans that works with them, which helps save a lot of time at the strip. When GM was still backing those cars a few years ago, they were winning a lot of races. I like anything thats fast, regardless of who makes it, or what engine is in it, whether it be Top Fuel dragsters, or motorcycles. I just like Hondas, as that is what I have had since highschool, and thats what I have worked on and messed with for 10 years.

[TonyBolton]

Are the top Honda turbo cars running K or B series motors these days?

[kenscivic]

Are the top Honda turbo cars running K or B series motors these days?

That's an excellent question. I would guess K series seeing how a k20a2 with a peakboost or whatever turbo kit routinely gets into the 400whp range.

[fatkid]

Are the top Honda turbo cars running K or B series motors these days?

Most are running B-series, but there are a lot of k series too. K-series is making a lot of power all motor right now. I think some of the all motor 10 sec and 9 sec drag cars are making 400+ on 2.2 and 2.4 liters. K series can make great power, and they are a better overall future platform than the B-series, but the transmissions are weaker, and the cams are not as developed yet. They were limiting k-series to smaller turbos, in the class with B-series, because they were making like 100 whp more than B-series with the same size turbo and boost pressure. The K-series heads flow awesome and the stock cams have very high lift, so they make good power with big turbos. The transmission companies just need to do some R&D on the K-series trans, in order for them to take over. They are just now figuring out how to not break the B-Series, so the K will take a while. Also, the K is very close to the F20C in the S2000, and you know how much power those things make. Any way, sorry for the long post on a simple question.

[fatkid]

That's an excellent question. I would guess K series seeing how a k20a2 with a peakboost or whatever turbo kit routinely gets into the 400whp range.

As I replied to Tony, which I forgot to mention, so I will add it here, the biggest thing holding the K-series turbo stuff back is the transmissions and the overall cost. Its probably 2000 to 3000 cheaper right now to do a B-series drag car, than a K. There is just a lot more available, but there should be, as the B16 came out in Japan in 1989.

[fatkid]

That's an excellent question. I would guess K series seeing how a k20a2 with a peakboost or whatever turbo kit routinely gets into the 400whp range.

Speaking of the K-Series, they just got one into the eights today at MIR:

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2677121

[kenscivic]

As I replied to Tony, which I forgot to mention, so I will add it here, the biggest thing holding the K-series turbo stuff back is the transmissions and the overall cost. Its probably 2000 to 3000 cheaper right now to do a B-series drag car, than a K. There is just a lot more available, but there should be, as the B16 came out in Japan in 1989.

I knew the transmissions for the K series were kind of iffy... My friend has a 2002 ep3 with a k20a2 built up a good bit and used the 5 speed tranny from his a3 with no mods.. He puts down low 5xxs whp and he beats the shit out of the car and it has not given out on him yet..

But yes K > B There are some really decent cams out now, it is finally catching upto the 8 bagillion cams available for the b series. even the non vtec a3 has a few choices (well kind of vtec but not really you know what Im saying 2 lobes on intake and 1 on exhaust)

[TonyBolton]

Cool, thanks for the tech Kevin.

[blk90integ]

[QUOTE=not cbring;1911474]I'd like to try one.

I was very impressed with my friend's turbo Cobalt that I got to autocross. :) I'd like to see how the SRT-4 compares.[/QUOTE

they dont even compare. i hate cobalts but my hats off to them chevy actually built a decent track car with that. they handle decent and there brakes are amazing. after a few laps there stock brakes were still working fine and other cars had horrible brake fade. nasa did a track day at carolina motorsports park last year and tested the new cobalt with s2000's wrx's and 350's and it held its own. the other cars minus the 350 had horrible braking problems and obviously showed in lap times. my supervisor from work was there with his s2k and got to witness this. i always made fun of cobalts until this...

[ILLINTENT]

Yes. Every SRT4 makes 500 WHP, and every single one of them runs 9.80's in the 1/8th.


that pretty much works out if you use the "import ET" calculator.

[rockbasher]

yes and every mustang makes 800 whp and runs 7.15 in the 1/8.

[KTownSleeper]

99% of the srt4's around dont make half the power they claim. The highest I personally know of in Knoxville is Philips red and black srt. Its making near 450whp.

[srtslow]

99% of the srt4's around dont make half the power they claim. The highest I personally know of in Knoxville is Philips red and black srt. Its making near 450whp.

i'm pretty sure we seen him the other night headed to turkey creek. off subject a little, a 04-07 blue sti got on the interstate with a bike and tried to race a friend of mine, anyone from here?