331 ways to beat my LS1

[Thacker]

ROFL.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/ford/smallblock/0408em_dss/

Looks like according to engine master, and muscle mustangs and fast fords.. you need a stroked out, forged internal boosted motor.

I am sure most of you have this... but it just has to be a shot to your ego.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

:embarras:

[JuicedCpe]

You sure do talk alot to be driving a car that GM could not even continue to make. It doesn't take 331 cubic inches to outrun an LS1 car. Mine consistently outran LS1 cars with a really mild 302- Let me spell it out for you 3-0-2. No stroker, no nitrous, just motor. There are several others out there that I know can too. Besides most camaro drivers are nothing more than no driving fucksticks.

Now before you jump on your LS1 is better bandwagon, my car is not ready to race. It is for the most part now going to be a race car not a streetcar- it really is all a matter of opinion though. I have drove both and I will give the LS1 credit but it is more of a dyno queen than a drag strip queen. The power that they make is unbelieveable sometimes but it takes less horsepower for the little 'ole stang to run the same time as an LS1. I like that better already- typically this is better for less breakage.

So before you get your panties in a wad, relax, take a blue pill, and call me in the morning when this all gets through your thick skull.

[Bugman]

Just curious Thacker since you seem be in love with your car I was just curious what the fastest time slip you have? Must be at a track, real time slip, you driving, your car?

Or is it so slow you don't want to share?

[CPC]

All you ls1 guys make me laugh,you all talk about how much power these things make but none of your cars run worth a crap for the money you have in them! I see adds for 427ci ls1s that brags about making 550 H/P on pump gas and they only cost about 11000.00 bucks holy cow back up out of fear. We build 600+ h/p 347S on pump gas N/A for 6500.00 bucks! I know around here most of the Ls1s that are fast have hidden nitrous kits and they claim they are on the motor! And yes we do build Ls1s and we port Ls1 heads and do head and cam packages for those cars so we have much more experence with this engine then most anyone on this board. I will tell you this that if you had a Ls1 making 380 H/p and a 302 5.0 making 380 H/P in the same weight cars and everything else being equal the 302 would when hands down as they have a much lighter rotatintg assy. And the 302 engine would out accelerate the Ls1! Dan

[PainTrain]

That article was written by Al Sharpton.

[PainTrain]

And it was edited by Forest Gump.

[57fairlane]

Another wrench:

How many f-body guys get their car dynoed on a "dynojet"?

This isn't some meager attempt at a mustang dyno vs. dynojet, but seriously how many f-bodies weigh in at 2800?

[m1key99ws6]

Originally posted by CPC
I will tell you this that if you had a Ls1 making 380 H/p and a 302 5.0 making 380 H/P in the same weight cars and everything else being equal the 302 would when hands down as they have a much lighter rotatintg assy. And the 302 engine would out accelerate the Ls1! Dan

That's interesting you believe an internally balanced all aluminum 346ci motor vs an Iron 302ci motor in a same raceweight vehicle that the 302 would be faster?

I guess anything's possible, but thats not an apple to apple comparison in regards to 346ci vs the 302ci, I believe the 346ci would have an advantage (look at the torque curve). :)

I'm don't want to enter a pissing content between everyone but the LS1 is a very potent NA motor.

Mine makes 417RWHP and 400RWTQ NA through 4.10's and it has a baby camshaft.

The downfall of an F-body is how much they weigh.

Cheers.

[CPC]

If you will go back and read the post again I never said anything about running a 308 gear from a 10 roll. But I said both cars set up for there engine combo. And one engine being internal and one being external has nothing to do with the acceration of the cars, but the 55 lb crank against the 35 lb crank would! And I just wonder how fast has you car gone? Dollar for dollar the 302s win hands down! Dan

[m1key99ws6]

Yes a 5.0 is cheaper. Hell any car that's over 10 years old would be cheaper. Wait 10 more years and I bet the LS1 will be cheap to build.

My old motor 360RWHP 3750Raceweight went 7.80' @ 88, 12.1's @ 112-115.

No times from the new motor, it broke my 8.8 this past weekend at dallas :(

[Harley]

Originally posted by m1key99ws6
Yes a 5.0 is cheaper. Hell any car that's over 10 years old would be cheaper. Wait 10 more years and I bet the LS1 will be cheap to build.

My old motor 360RWHP 3750Raceweight went 7.80' @ 88, 12.1's @ 112-115.

No times from the new motor, it broke my 8.8 this past weekend at dallas :( Congrats...
360RWHP got you in the 7.80's

My little 302 with a little 150shot(403 RWHP) goes consistent 6.70's(and thats slooow by most standards)....40 more horsepower=more than a second faster in the 1/8....MAN, I GOTTA GO GET ME A LS1, those things are track terrors

[VIPERBLUELX]

Originally posted by m1key99ws6


My old motor 360RWHP 3750Raceweight went 7.80' @ 88, 12.1's @ 112-115.


That's pretty good, my 99 Cobra 296RWHP ran 7.90's

[Thacker]

ROFL come on Mustang guys.. keep spouting off bullshit that no one could believe but you.

[m1key99ws6]

He asked what it went and I told him. Everyone knows f-bodies weigh as much as a tank. LOL ;)

I believe Mr. Thacker is just trying to get everyone wound up.

[Bugman]

Originally posted by Bugman
Just curious Thacker since you seem be in love with your car I was just curious what the fastest time slip you have? Must be at a track, real time slip, you driving, your car?

Or is it so slow you don't want to share?

Yo Thacker you avoiding my question and shooting shit out your mouth still? If you don't have any times to compare as everyone else does then why speak?

[CPC]

In 1995 my 1989 mustang set the NMCA E/EFI record at 12.25/110. with ported stock heads ported stock intake stock 86 cam in 94deg heat in Atlanta ,for the total investment of $ 5500.00 car included. thats was an 7.86 at 86 mph, at Brainard at night the car ran7.77 at 87 mph. Now that is a 302 take that same block and when you go to rebuild it spend 600.00 more and make it a 347 with a set of $1500.00 highports and that will make over 530 H/P cheaper than you can rebuild your Ls1. And I dought there will be that many F-Bodys around in another ten years as poor as those bodys hold up. Dan

[Thacker]

Heres something to ponder.


http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187330

Typically the quickest LS1 CAM ONLY cars are listed here. That means the only internal mod to the engine was a cam swap. Stock heads... and typically stock rotating assembly.

Fastest was 10.4 @ 130... whats that equate to in the 1/8th? BUT OMG HIS ONLY MOD WAS A FUCKING CAM, HEADERS AND WEIGHT REDUCTION WTF.

Dude I know... don't fret.. my car is soon to make that list, at a much heavier weight.. just shows you what a HEAVY by any standards LS1 can do... the 10.4 car ran a raceweight of 3150. ROFL.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273788

And there is the quickest stock internal list... meaning... cam.. heads... and rotating assembly are how they came from the factory.. wow look at that.. someones in the 10's with a stock motor.

:embarras:

[Thacker]

Originally posted by Bugman
Yo Thacker you avoiding my question and shooting shit out your mouth still? If you don't have any times to compare as everyone else does then why speak?

11.6 @ 117.2 1.69 60'

LS1 with a cam, 3500 raceweight. Stock heads.. stock EGR LS1 intake manifold, mail order tune... stock pulleys.
Has a clutch.. and a rear end. That was 7.4 in the 1/8th @ 93.


On dr's, on a shitty 2.0 60', clutch sticking to the floor and having to granny shift, its been 12.1 @ 116.

:cool:

[Bugman]

Originally posted by m1key99ws6
Yes a 5.0 is cheaper. Hell any car that's over 10 years old would be cheaper. Wait 10 more years and I bet the LS1 will be cheap to build.


Yeah no shit! I have a total of 4k in the 85 Gt and it is running in the 6's stock with a damn B-cam and 150 shot.

No argument on the year model / cost with me. The older the shit is, the cheaper it will be to build and more common the parts will be also.

You got your driveshaft fixed yet?

[Thacker]

Ofcourse... a pullied cobra @ 450 rwhp struggles to break into the 11's on anything but slicks. Yet LS1's seem to do it with > 400 rwhp.

:embarras:

[Bugman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thacker
ROFL come on Mustang guys.. keep spouting off bullshit that no one could believe but you. [/

Hey man if you want a piece of a mustang just say the word. I have several and you can pick which one but none of them are in the 11's.

We will be at Twigg's on the 20th, SDR April 24th, and Commerce next Friday night.

I would advise you not to come to Commerce unless you want a chick to drag your ass down the track. :eek:

[m1key99ws6]

I believe everyone agrees that a mustang is cheaper to build than a f-body. Can we all move on now.

[Bugman]

Originally posted by Thacker
Ofcourse... a pullied cobra @ 450 rwhp struggles to break into the 11's on anything but slicks. Yet LS1's seem to do it with > 400 rwhp.

:embarras:

Yeah man but the Cobra's are freight also. There again goes the weight thing. My 03 Cobra is a vert and that damn thing weighs a shitload more than any foxbody.

[m1key99ws6]

Chris your 03 Vert weight as much as my Trans-am :) :eek:

Is the battery dead in it from sitting so long?

[Bugman]

Yeah and our fat asses don't help anything.

Not sure on the battery but I have been trying to take it out for the last 2 week's but it won't stop raining.

I don't remember the exact weight but with me in it, it wasn't far from 4K.

With 478 rwhp and 509 tq I launched easy and granny shifted and ran a 12.05 @ 118. It is not a drag car and will never see the track again but I was happy with that but then again for 40K I ain't gonna brag on a 12 sec. pass.

[m1key99ws6]

Welcome to the world of trying to race a heavy ass street car. I wish mine would quit breaking drivetrain components long enough to make it down the track. hehe

Henry and I cut the axle tubes out and shipped them to texas for the guy to make me a new 8.8" for it.

[C&P Performance]

I could do it with a Stock motor.:eek: :)

[Bugman]

Originally posted by C&P Performance
I could do it with a Stock motor.:eek: :)

Do you even have a running car Dopey? :D

[C&P Performance]

Originally posted by Bugman
Do you even have a running car Dopey? :D Thats why i said COULD...IF i DID have a running car....i could do it with a stock motor.;)

I dont know why LS1 owners take mustangs so lightly...But thats good for us i suppose.

[Thacker]

Originally posted by C&P Performance
Thats why i said COULD...IF i DID have a running car....i could do it with a stock motor.;)

I dont know why LS1 owners take mustangs so lightly...But thats good for us i suppose.

What keeps us happy is the fact that we looked at some POS fox body that has 4k in it... if it beats us it beats us.

My car has heavy ass Corvette chrome wheels... leather interior, air conditioning, and a stereo commutes me around reliably wherever I want to go.. and still gets close to 25mpg. Its by no menas a drag car, but I work with what I got, and so far is been more then most of the mustangs I've run into. Just the way shit goes.

[VIPERBLUELX]

Originally posted by Thacker
Ofcourse... a pullied cobra @ 450 rwhp struggles to break into the 11's on anything but slicks. Yet LS1's seem to do it with > 400 rwhp.

:embarras:

Cobra's don't come with an automatic transmission option.

[Thacker]

Originally posted by VIPERBLUELX
Cobra's don't come with an automatic transmission option.

Nope, but my car is a 6spd, and has been mid 11's with less then 400.

What are you trying to say? Cobras drivers can't drive a 6spd car better then a POS chevy can with a 4l60e?

[mike's02ls1]

Originally posted by JuicedCpe
You sure do talk alot to be driving a car that GM could not even continue to make. It doesn't take 331 cubic inches to outrun an LS1 car. Mine consistently outran LS1 cars with a really mild 302- Let me spell it out for you 3-0-2. No stroker, no nitrous, just motor. There are several others out there that I know can too. Besides most camaro drivers are nothing more than no driving fucksticks.

Now before you jump on your LS1 is better bandwagon, my car is not ready to race. It is for the most part now going to be a race car not a streetcar- it really is all a matter of opinion though. I have drove both and I will give the LS1 credit but it is more of a dyno queen than a drag strip queen. The power that they make is unbelieveable sometimes but it takes less horsepower for the little 'ole stang to run the same time as an LS1. I like that better already- typically this is better for less breakage.

So before you get your panties in a wad, relax, take a blue pill, and call me in the morning when this all gets through your thick skull. Go get'em Kris put this DUMB ASS inbred in his place.. I HOPE SOMEONE SHUTS UP THIS LITTLE BITCH!!!!!

[mike's02ls1]

Thacker is just running his trap because thats all he can run. He got banned from LS1tech for a month for calling a woman a fat bitch. HAAAAAAAAAAAA what a moron!!!

[Thacker]

Originally posted by mike's02ls1
Thacker is just running his trap because thats all he can run. He got banned from LS1tech for a month for calling a woman a fat bitch. HAAAAAAAAAAAA what a moron!!!

And you got my phone number and called me repeatedly asking for cock. What the fuck is wrong with you.. you gay or something?

[mike's02ls1]

Originally posted by Thacker
And you got my phone number and called me repeatedly asking for cock. What the fuck is wrong with you.. you gay or something? Thats all u got? Go back to school cause u aint getting any smarter!!!! Did your mom clean your vagainal walls for u this morning? I think she miss a spot u better get your money back....

[Thacker]

Originally posted by mike's02ls1
Thats all u got? Go back to school cause u aint getting any smarter!!!! Did your mom clean your vagainal walls for u this morning? I think she miss a spot u better get your money back....
Translation
"I can't come up with anything better.. so I will ask if that is all you got. Wait a minute.. I can make some lame ass reference to your mom... and the fact that you are a male.. a very large male.. bigger and stronger then myself.. but somehow you have a vagina. K.. I will mix the mom comeback.. with the vagina come back and make a complete dumbass out of myself in the mean time. My name is Mike02LS1 and I am a fag. Please help me"

[C&P Performance]

Originally posted by Thacker
What keeps us happy is the fact that we looked at some POS fox body that has 4k in it... if it beats us it beats us.

My car has heavy ass Corvette chrome wheels... leather interior, air conditioning, and a stereo commutes me around reliably wherever I want to go.. and still gets close to 25mpg. Its by no menas a drag car, but I work with what I got, and so far is been more then most of the mustangs I've run into. Just the way shit goes. Well...I can have all of them options as well. Does it mean my cars stilla POS then?:confused:

[mike's02ls1]

Originally posted by Thacker
Translation
"I can't come up with anything better.. so I will ask if that is all you got. Wait a minute.. I can make some lame ass reference to your mom... and the fact that you are a male.. a very large male.. bigger and stronger then myself.. but somehow you have a vagina. K.. I will mix the mom comeback.. with the vagina come back and make a complete dumbass out of myself in the mean time. My name is Mike02LS1 and I am a fag. Please help me" WOW that took some TIME!!! I bet you had to call all of your friends for HELP!!! DUMB SHIT!!!!

[Evil87GN]

Originally posted by Thacker
Nope, but my car is a 6spd, and has been mid 11's with less then 400.

What are you trying to say? Cobras drivers can't drive a 6spd car better then a POS chevy can with a 4l60e?


My GN went low 11's @ 119 with an iron headed, stock bottom end motor...full accessories and all. Dunno what the HP was, but it did smack the shit out of a Vette and a T/A, both LS1 powered and not stock. It's called torque and lots of it.....:D Scary thing is, that was with a street tune on it, not race tune, which would have been even uglier for those other cars....:tongue:

BTW......who needs 331 ways to beat an LS1.....I did it quite often with 231.....:D

[m1key99ws6]

I've raced 2 GN's down at the hole and at ellenwood in my TA and have won $ from both of them. I got so sick of "well mine only has 6 cylinder crap" it was pathetic.

Not saying they're not fast, they work great at the track. But on the street they were breakfast. :D ;)

They don't for crap when they're hot. lol

[Evil87GN]

Trying to hook up a lot of lowend torque on the street sucks, even on drag radials. On reg ol 275/50 BFG radial T/As, my car wouldn't hook for shit....it would spin them hard at a 50mph roll if I just jumped on it. If I just eased into it, it would haze them a bit and go. From the dig, forget it. Even at the track it would haze the slicks pretty good if I left with more than 8# of boost. There's no telling how much torque it was making, but Buicks are known for making good HP but just nasty amounts of torque. May only have 400 rwhp, but would make 550-600 rwtq.

Were the GNs you raced stock/lightly mod'd? Just wondering because once a decently done tubo Buick hooks, it's gonna be coming hard on the topside. Best I got out of mine was a 7.23 @ 96 with 20-21# boost....wasn't even working the turbo at that point. I probably could have gotten better times out of it, but it was more a show car than anything, so didn't lean on it hard. The T in my sig, that's gonna be a whole different story....:D

[m1key99ws6]

They were modded, really clean ones. I forgot the names of the owners of them, they were both cool guys. I don't know if you know chubb's (red monte-carlo) but he knew them well. I'm sure they made great power, but traction was not their friend from a stop.

[CPC]

Talk about a POS thats exactly what a f-body was thats why they stopped making that GM/junk. Mustang still going strong I guess we know which one is a POS! And I guess we know which company has the fastest production car and its not GM,can you say Ford GT! Dan

[Evil87GN]

Hmmmm, don't know the red MC, but I wonder who the GN guys were. Probably a couple of the Atlanta TB club members fi I had to take a guess.

You are so right......traction from the dig is not our friend very often, especially not on the street....lol. It's even worse when you have a posi unit that's giving up......Ol Gray is showing her age finally.

[vortech_95-gt]

In my opinion everyone should own 2 camaros......one to shit on and the other to cover it up with:D

[m1key99ws6]

Originally posted by CPC
Talk about a POS thats exactly what a f-body was thats why they stopped making that GM/junk. Mustang still going strong I guess we know which one is a POS! And I guess we know which company has the fastest production car and its not GM,can you say Ford GT! Dan

I believe the Mercedes SLR was just a hair quicker than the Ford GT. I'm not 100% positive though, but I'm sure someone could look it up if they wanted.

[vortech_95-gt]

Damn guys...shame on me for the above comment I must apologize my statement was ALMOST as stupid as expecting people who spend alot of time at the track to believe that it takes a 331 ci. boosted ford to outrun a ls1:rofl4:

[DSM_LX]

haha Muscle mustangs and fast fords suck.

[cb03]

Thacker you talk so much stuff. You barely out ran an 03 cobra with a pulley and you think you are the shit. Let me set the record strait as I was there. You completely gutted your car and had slicks as opposed to a full weight 03 with drag radials and you did not even drive your own car you let someone else do it because of your lack of ability. If both cars were on slicks and you had'nt gutted your car it would have been a different story. Now for the cars. How much money do you really have in your car? You have had to rebuild your motor because of pistion slap (great motor)$ You had to replace the whole rear end because it was weak with a 12bolt$ You had to replaced the whole trans because it was weak$ (real solid car you have there) now lets add intake, exhaust, headers, gears, lower control arms, springs, panard bar and a cam with spring etc...$ You are in it for no less than $9000.00 to $10,000.00 As for the Cobra a K&N filter, catback, pulley and maybe a set of gears. Total investment maybe $1000. You act as if all you have to do is add a cam, man be for real I owned an 02 trans am.

[Harley]

Originally posted by Thacker
ROFL come on Mustang guys.. keep spouting off bullshit that no one could believe but you. Ill be glad to make a believer out of you...with my slow POS mustang. Im sure there are plenty of others on here that are willing to do the same.:D

[mustang23LX]

Originally posted by 87316
Ill be glad to make a believer out of you...with my slow POS mustang. Im sure there are plenty of others on here that are willing to do the same.:D
i was going to, until i found out how big of a turd his car is. the way he was talking, i thought it might have been fast. most all the mustangs on here would kill him. perhaps one day he'll find someone way down in his league to race.
:rofl: :rofl:

[DSM_LX]

I heard thacker can beat those dsms pretty good. A little red plymouth laser that only made 300 hp to the wheels barely got beat by the all bad ls1.

Ls1 guys claim they cars are all fast from the factory but yeah...look at all the technology in them....they should be! i mean aluminum block,alum heads that flow 250 cfm,short runner high flowing intake,75mm mass air meter,big throttle body...(forgot how large it is),10:1 compression....cmon....

no matter what 90% of ls1 drivers are no driving fucksticks. i see mildly modded ls1s that have a hard time breaking out of the 14s at commerce! hahhaha!:drunk:

[Joey Hanie]

Originally posted by vortech_95-gt
In my opinion everyone should own 2 camaros......one to shit on and the other to cover it up with:D

well i will have to disagree, seems to me the first gen camaros owned all those small 289's in the mustangs in the early years!
but yeah all the new ones suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[m1key99ws6]

Originally posted by DSM_LX
I heard thacker can beat those dsms pretty good. A little red plymouth laser that only made 300 hp to the wheels barely got beat by the all bad ls1.

Ls1 guys claim they cars are all fast from the factory but yeah...look at all the technology in them....they should be! i mean aluminum block,alum heads that flow 250 cfm,short runner high flowing intake,75mm mass air meter,big throttle body...(forgot how large it is),10:1 compression....cmon....

no matter what 90% of ls1 drivers are no driving fucksticks. i see mildly modded ls1s that have a hard time breaking out of the 14s at commerce! hahhaha!:drunk:

Awww c'mon conrad. Even you enjoy watching my TA leave off the rev limited at commerce :) heheeh :burnout:

[DSM_LX]

Originally posted by m1key99ws6
Awww c'mon conrad. Even you enjoy watching my TA leave off the rev limited at commerce :) heheeh :burnout:

yeah man i put you in the 10% category! :D

[CobraClone]

I have to agree, I love watching Mike's car run, and have made some pretty good money off of it too.

But for the money, I would never build a LS1 to race.


Mike, when is Henry coming out? He and I need to line them up again.:D

[m1key99ws6]

Clint you joined the thread too late (in the LS1 Bashing department). There is no telling how much $$ was won on my slow LS1 on the street. ;) stangs, camaro's, big block trucks, slick tire cars, lol ahh the good ole days. anyways.

Henry's car is running good, You guys do need to line them back up, the last races were sooooo close it wasn't even funny.

Did you get you car back up and running again? I broke the welds off the 8.8 at Dallas last weekend so I'm waiting on my new housing to get built.

I picked me up a Truck and Trailer so we can go to the track and not worry about breaking shit and finding a way back now. lol

[CobraClone]

It's about damn time you got a trailer.:D

Yes, I got my head gasket fixed. Now I am ready to play.:D

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by williecumminer
well i will have to disagree, seems to me the first gen camaros owned all those small 289's in the mustangs in the early years!
but yeah all the new ones suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its the newer ones Im referring to. I really dont know much about the older ones. Honestly the newer ones just seem cheaply built...maybe the motors are fine and make good power but whats the use if you cant leave hard on it because the rear end seems to be made of glass lol . and the interior is crappy and cheap in my opinion...my wife owned one I shut the door one day and the pw switch assy. ejected itself (brittle plastic) took the car back and got it replaced 2 weeks later radio quit. interior squeaked and rattled even after numerous trips back to the dealership. The car went through plug wires every 8 to 10 thousand miles at about $150 a set from Gm ....ended up buying a set of accel wires from advance that Gm said would cause interference and never had to replace them again.Riding in the car was also an interesting experience at 6ft. 2 in your feet are on a higher elevation than your ass it seems cause of that big ass hump in the floor. And to me it seems that no matter what you try to do to make them sound good you just cant because your so limited on exhaust options. Maybe we just had a bad one....who knows Im sure the guys that love camaros can pick apart the stangs also but I would rather have a car that is built solid...and who cares if its a few 10ths slower from the factory its much cheaper to mod and people rarely leave them stock anyway. The true simplicity of this whole argument shows through at any track (local) or organized events fast mustangs by far out number late model gms and there is an obvious reason for it.

[METALBEAST]

Originally posted by Thacker
Heres something to ponder.


http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187330

Typically the quickest LS1 CAM ONLY cars are listed here. That means the only internal mod to the engine was a cam swap. Stock heads... and typically stock rotating assembly.

Fastest was 10.4 @ 130... whats that equate to in the 1/8th? BUT OMG HIS ONLY MOD WAS A FUCKING CAM, HEADERS AND WEIGHT REDUCTION WTF.

Dude I know... don't fret.. my car is soon to make that list, at a much heavier weight.. just shows you what a HEAVY by any standards LS1 can do... the 10.4 car ran a raceweight of 3150. ROFL.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273788

And there is the quickest stock internal list... meaning... cam.. heads... and rotating assembly are how they came from the factory.. wow look at that.. someones in the 10's with a stock motor.

:embarras:

Gee, its funny you should be quoting shit from LS1tech....

CONSIDERING YOU JUST GOT BANNED FOR A MONTH FROM THERE BY THE ADMINS FOR BEING A TROLL

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287553

And seriously, this is the LAST place I would be talking shit about how fast a cammed LS1 is. These mofos in here don't play no games. 11 second cars are just light snacks to most of these guys you goobergobbler.:bash:

[METALBEAST]

Originally posted by mike's02ls1
Thacker is just running his trap because thats all he can run. He got banned from LS1tech for a month for calling a woman a fat bitch. HAAAAAAAAAAAA what a moron!!!

Damn Mike you beat me too it!! Guess we'll have to humiliate him on this site for the time being:)

[MADBOWTIE]

I bought a new Z-28 camaro in 97 and it has never given the first bit of trouble. It is an LT-1 6 spd car and at the time it was new it had no trouble what so ever with any mustang that was not heavely modded. I still have the car and it is mostly stock and not very fast by todays standards(8.80's) but it has held up as well as any mustang as far as quality goes. As far as LS-1's go, I dont know much about them, but I know a modded LS-6 like the one in my firebird seem to do pretty good. You bunch of ford lovin camaro haters , I hope your beloved fn mustang turns into a BMW 325I because without compitition from chevrolet that is where mustang is heading. Better off dead then denutted!!!!!!

[distortion_69]

The real deal on thackers car, and LS1's in general:

Thackers motor was not rebuilt. My brother pulled the oil pan because it wouldn't turn over. They were going to rebuild it, but realized it was a bolt that wasn't clearing due to some vandalism on thackers car.. I won't bother to elaborate on that.. lol. So he put new bearings while he was in there. He also put new ARP Rod Bolts since they were only $80 for insurance. Most folks don't put those in, and it really wasn't necessary unless your going to turn over 7k rpms. The bearings would have worked fine, but did of course show wear after 60k miles of abuse. The rings are factory.. most ls1s consume more oil than your average motor, most don't replace the rings as there is no need unless you have a defective motor all together.. which there are cases of.. with any manufacturer.. lets not forget ford has had several motors where the cylinder heads, pistons, etc. were not up to par.. or the suspension components on the GT, or the engine in the new Mustang GT.. It's not just GM.

Thackers transmission was rebuilt due to 50k-60k of ridicolous abuse, and a crappy slipping and poor engaging clutch. It was the worst Futral Motorsports (fastest 6 speed f-body) had seen when we sent it to them to have it rebuilt. Thacker is rough on his cars, powershifting nearly every race and putting it through sheer torture.. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. Several gears were trashed, and everything was trashed. The T-56 is also in vipers, and cobra's.. It does not need to be rebuilt for these power levels.

In the meantime, your stock T-5 in a pinto.. err.. foxbody.. oh wait.. almost the same car.. (you might argue that a pinto is a cheaper platform, and therefor more superior?) might need to be replaced because they are much weaker than a t-56.. Along with your interior, paint, the rust, and your sagging ass doors.. the tired ass motor..and the mullet smell. 03 cobras have IRS, are heavy.. all our cars have shortcomings.. you just gotta work past em.. no car is perfect. Thackers car didn't require any more prepping than any race car here. The ls1 is just a good of candidate as any.

FWIW: Most 427's that are 550hp would be a bonestock idling factory replacement type motor. It is fairly common for a choppy idled 427 to do 500rwhp-550rwhp without too much fuss. Still expensive, but any 550rwhp motor would be at least somewhat expensive. In LS1 packaging though it retains the aluminum setup is light as hell, and will probably still pull 25mpg. It has its advantages.

I personally think a stroked/sleeved LS1 in a mustang coupe with a big shot of spray would be the ultimate car *wink* But that'd be blasphemy.

Peace,
Josh

[vortech_95-gt]

[There isn't that much cost difference considering most coupes are 20+ years old now.]quote


:confused:

[Harley]

Originally posted by distortion_69
The real deal on thackers car, and LS1's in general:

Thackers motor was not rebuilt. My brother pulled the oil pan because it wouldn't turn over. They were going to rebuild it, but realized it was a bolt that wasn't clearing due to some vandalism on thackers car.. I won't bother to elaborate on that.. lol. So he put new bearings while he was in there. He also put new ARP Rod Bolts since they were only $80 for insurance. Most folks don't put those in, and it really wasn't necessary unless your going to turn over 7k rpms. The bearings would have worked fine, but did of course show wear after 60k miles of abuse. The rings are factory.. most ls1s consume more oil than your average motor, most don't replace the rings as there is no need unless you have a defective motor all together.. which there are cases of.. with any manufacturer.. lets not forget ford has had several motors where the cylinder heads, pistons, etc. were not up to par.. or the suspension components on the GT, or the engine in the new Mustang GT.. It's not just GM.

Thackers transmission was rebuilt due to 50k-60k of ridicolous abuse, and a crappy slipping and poor engaging clutch. It was the worst Futral Motorsports (fastest 6 speed f-body) had seen when we sent it to them to have it rebuilt. Thacker is rough on his cars, powershifting nearly every race and putting it through sheer torture.. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. Several gears were trashed, and everything was trashed. The T-56 is also in vipers, and cobra's.. It does not need to be rebuilt for these power levels.

In the meantime, your stock T-5 in a pinto.. err.. foxbody.. oh wait.. almost the same car.. (you might argue that a pinto is a cheaper platform, and therefor more superior?) might need to be replaced because they are much weaker than a t-56.. Along with your interior, paint, the rust, and your sagging ass doors.. and the mullet smell. 03 cobras have IRS, are heavy.. all our cars have shortcomings.. you just gotta work past em.. no car is perfect. Except supra's of course (exaggeration).

FWIW: Most 427's that are 550hp would be a bonestock idling factory replacement type motor. It is fairly common for a choppy idled 427 to do 500rwhp-550rwhp without too much fuss. Still expensive, but any 550rwhp motor would be at least somewhat expensive. In LS1 packaging though it retains the aluminum setup is light as hell, and will probably still pull 25mpg. It has its advantages.

I personally think a stroked/sleeved LS1 in a mustang coupe with a big shot of spray would be the ultimate car *wink* But that'd be blasphemy.

Peace,
Josh Theres no way youre dumb enough to believe all the shit you just wrote, are you:confused:

[distortion_69]

of course.

If you want to be fair.. an ls1 with less than 100k miles is around $8k-$10k. A foxbody with less than 100k miles is likely $4k-$6k depending upon.. Finding a nice unmodified chassis is expensive. There isn't that much price difference considering you are getting a 98-00 z28 vs. a early 1980's to 1993 mustang. This shouldn't have any bearing on the performance of the engine. Considering the age of the foxbody the ls1 is actually not a bad deal if you want a newer car. Even a 1984 mustang coupe like the turbo cars .. 20+ years old.. if you want to buy a nice one..

[PainTrain]

Yeah....you guys are right. I'm gonna sell the train and get a F-body and a subscription to Motor Trend.

Thanks for the enlightenment. I feel refreshed.

[vortech_95-gt]

remember 87316 it takes a boosted 331 ci. ford to outrun a ls1:D ;) ..........wonder which track they been going to :confused: ..........oh yeah I remember they read it in a magazine

[distortion_69]

I own an LS1.. I believe that article.. if you want to murder an ls1.. your going to need to trap way past 120, as cam only cars frequently trap around there. You need at least a 127-130mph trap speed on the street.. from a roll.. to "murder" (as the magazine states) most heads/cam ls1 street cars.. no nitrous or nothin'. If you can do that reliably on a day to day basis without forced induction, a decent bottomend, or decent heads/cam.. then so be it. Thats basically all the magazine says.

Keep in mind there are next to no fast f-bodies in atlanta.. lol. I frequently visit the shootouts when I can. At thunder shootout this past year I personally watched cam only/heads cam cars turn these times. I've known lots of guys with these setups.. few are local. Its not uncommon to cut 1.3-1.4 60's and trap mid 120's with a properly setup heads/cam car, or cam only car.

Peace,
Josh

[PainTrain]

Originally posted by distortion_69
. You need at least a 127-130mph trap speed on the street.. from a roll.. to "murder" a ls1


Really? I have always like those cars. Hard to work on though. What does your car run in the 1/4?

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by distortion_69
I own an LS1.. I believe that article.. if you want to murder an ls1.. your going to need to trap way past 120, as cam only cars frequently trap around there. You need at least a 127-130mph trap speed on the street.. from a roll.. to "murder" (as the magazine states) most heads/cam ls1 street cars.. no nitrous or nothin'. If you can do that reliably on a day to day basis without forced induction, a decent bottomend, or decent heads/cam.. then so be it.

Peace,
Josh I trap 125 on street tires with a 302......let me put this in perspective for you a friend of mine that posts on here sometimes REDSILVERGT Has a 331 with a charger .....the car made 704 rwhp....do you honestly believe you need all that to whip the shit out of an ls1?

[Harley]

Originally posted by vortech_95-gt
remember 87316 it takes a boosted 331 ci. ford to outrun a ls1:D ;) ..........wonder which track they been going to :confused: ..........oh yeah I remember they read it in a magazine :doh: oh yeah....
...that must be why all those F bodys keep whipping up on me

[distortion_69]

I couldn't trap past 115.3.. my car weighed 3280 without me in it and dynod 427rwhp through the 12 bolt cam only.. I then missed a shift due to my shitty ass ram iron disk clutch before I could get to the track (damn mustang clutches.. j/kin) and managed to turn 8500 for a few and bend a few valves.. it still dynod 383rwhp at battleground, but it sure did suffer on the lowend.. it'd just sorta bog on launch dropping it from the rev limiter, and I couldn't get past 11.8.. valves raising hell. I wouldn't have taken it to the track but I was hoping I didn't float them enough to get some bad p to v issues.. Unfortunately 4 valves were so badly bent we had to beat them out of the head. The rest were not very severe at all.

We put new heads on it and the motor ran fine, but I didn't ever make it to the track, and was making a trip to New orleans for thunder shootout and wanted to drop my car off there at the time while I took the 8 hour trip.

This wont be a family built car as it usually is, as the th400 is from rossler, and the motor is being built by futral motorsports. Heads are from AFR and cam is a custom cam motion grind. Diamond coated pistons, forged rods.. direct port.. typical car like this will run 9's all day long.. but I don't talk shit til my car is finished :)

I, will, however defend this article.. as its a pretty good article and actually sheds light on some of the actual PERFORMING ls1's out there.

In response to your statement.

Of course.. theres also cars that make 1000rwhp forced induction.. both ls1's and mustangs when you do these mods. But chances are all motor 302 your not going to trap the 120mph+ that alot of heads/cam fbodys trap.. I know only 1 local car that does this, as there are none local that are worth a shit.. mainly because this is a mustang infested town :)

Josh

[vortech_95-gt]

Of course.. theres also cars that make 1000rwhp forced induction.. both ls1's and mustangs when you do these mods. But chances are all motor 302 your not going to trap the 120mph+ that alot of heads/cam fbodys trap.. I know only 1 local car that does this, as there are none local that are worth a shit.. mainly because this is a mustang infested town

Josh




the article doesnt say ALL MOTOR 302 it says boosted 331 and my point is it simply doesnt take that much power......

[distortion_69]

How much power does it take to "murder" your car? It traps similar to a good running heads/cam ls1 on street tires or drag radials would run. Usually with a good hook your mph is a lil lower as slicks are harder to turn, as well as without spinning typically your trap speed is lower.. Lets say a good heads/cam car traps 125mph ls1 with street tires, running somewhere in the mid-high 11's due to 1.9-2.3 60' on street tires. Say you meet up on 19 & 41 and you both got balls and do a 40 roll.. How much power would you think it'd take to "murder" your car.. that is.. to have no trouble pulling a few cars on it. One day you'll run into an ls1 that actually performs well heads/cam and you'll be surprised its running so close with you. Unfortunately that person is not me :)

To add on.. I don't think the stroking is necessary myself.. stroke was just for a better torque curve (per the article). I tend to think if I was going to tear it down, I'd do the same. We all know there are boosted 4 cylinders that could crush an ls1.. even streetably. Fact of the matter is.. PHR thinks the best way is to get blown.. I like that option :) and I do think it is necessary. Nitrous being the cheaper route. Are you running the stock bottomend?

Lets just drop the subject honestly.. I think that it does take some balls behind a sbf or sbc to eat up an ls1 on the street. You don't.. who cares. Ain't worth arguing over.. truthfully :) Good article IMO. Alot of stang owners fool around with bullshit before realizing a good combo, and for alot of slower 12/13 sec guys this would be a good route to take in my eyes.

Peace,
Josh

[vortech_95-gt]

[Good article IMO. Alot of stang owners fool around with bullshit before realizing a good combo, ]quote


and alot of no et'ing camaro owners never learn. But you right this is the classic ford chevy shit talking ....not harmful in any way so instead of

QUOTE {{Lets just drop the subject honestly.. I think that it does take some balls behind a sbf or sbc to eat up an ls1 on the street. You don't.. who cares. Ain't worth arguing over.. truthfully }}

you could have just quit posting on this thread......but check out your comment above..not worth arguing over plus stang owners and bullshit.... thats what this forum is for;)

[fade2blk500]

Is it not obvious any motor with money in its going to make a shit load of power. So this argument is pretty pointless. lol

[DSM_LX]

Originally posted by m1key99ws6
Clint you joined the thread too late (in the LS1 Bashing department). There is no telling how much $$ was won on my slow LS1 on the street. ;) stangs, camaro's, big block trucks, slick tire cars, lol ahh the good ole days. anyways.

Henry's car is running good, You guys do need to line them back up, the last races were sooooo close it wasn't even funny.

Did you get you car back up and running again? I broke the welds off the 8.8 at Dallas last weekend so I'm waiting on my new housing to get built.

I picked me up a Truck and Trailer so we can go to the track and not worry about breaking shit and finding a way back now. lol

Haven't seen henry in a while....always loved his clean ass coupe. He done anything else to it lately?

[Dusty900]

All im gonna say is how many production engines have ford put out making 400 Hp.....without a blower......seems to me ford had to use a blower on there engine just to keep up with the gm cars....lol....hows that for shit talkin.

[mike's02ls1]

Originally posted by Dusty900
All im gonna say is how many production engines have ford put out making 400 Hp.....without a blower......seems to me ford had to use a blower on there engine just to keep up with the gm cars....lol....hows that for shit talkin. ROFL, True,True.. It does take force induction to keep up with GM..

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by Dusty900
All im gonna say is how many production engines have ford put out making 400 Hp.....without a blower......seems to me ford had to use a blower on there engine just to keep up with the gm cars....lol....hows that for shit talkin. thats pretty good shit talkin:D how many has chevy produced w/ over 400hp? I really dont know (honestly) and out of those how many are affordable enough for regular folks like us? As far as ford going to a blower I dont think they did it to keep up with Chevy though....the main competition t/a and camaro were already going out of production when ford started using it. I wasnt a big fan of ford going to the 4.6 in 1996 on the stang as a matter of fact I thought it sucked ....but I commend ford on the cool factor and not being scared to put some boost to their motors:burnout:

[Dusty900]

Heck im just tryin to stir the pot a little......:D

[vortech_95-gt]

got to love the age old ford vs. chevy:D

[Dusty900]

For 6400 you can get a complete ls6 from chevrolet complete with a stand alone computer...Not too bad for a complete fuel injected motor with 400 horses with a great warrenty.....

[Dusty900]

Originally posted by vortech_95-gt
got to love the age old ford vs. chevy:D


Yeah i hate to admit it but i think most of my friends are ford guys...lol and ive probly worked on there cars more than my own...:D

[Dusty900]

Originally posted by vortech_95-gt
I wasnt a big fan of ford going to the 4.6 in 1996 on the stang as a matter of fact I thought it sucked ....

Yeah alot of people hated and it sucked at first......a friend of mine bought a 99 gt and thats the first 4.6 we saw that really seemed to run pretty good....for a 4.6

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by Dusty900
Yeah alot of people hated and it sucked at first......a friend of mine bought a 99 gt and thats the first 4.6 we saw that really seemed to run pretty good....for a 4.6 yeah but I guess they were just trying to do more with less...who knows ....even with the smaller motor they were still making the same hp. per liter as the ls1 ...I think it was like 57hp per lliter so the potential was there just needed more cubic inches

[Dusty900]

Yeah and the 99 with just h pipe and flow masters out ran a 93 with b cam and a 355 gear...., or atleast until the 93 sprayed him....i thought that was really impressive..That was when we first saw the potential of the mod motor.....i even remember when joe had the fastest mod motor in that silver coupe. I really liked that car...it was really clean.

[distortion_69]

The ls7 is whats going to be ridicolous.

360cfm heads? Forged main caps, titanium rods, chromoly crank? This is freakin ridicolous for a factory motor.

http://popularhotrodding.com/tech/0504phr_ls7/

Screw ls1s.. wait til we have z06's with headers/cam/200shot doin like deep 9's on stock shortblock.. lol.

Peace,
Josh

[distortion_69]

I get like ~61-62 hp/l on the ls1? Its 346 ci, and does 350 hp?Course the stock ls1 is a pile.. its with heads/cam that it picks up. Lots of guys doing 90-95hp/l with heads/cam setups.. some who are supposedly doing 100hp/l if they make 500rwhp on a stock shortblock.. but theres only like 5 cars who claimed to have do that, and honestly i think its bullshit.

Peace,
Josh

[Dusty900]

Originally posted by distortion_69
I get like ~61-62 hp/l on the ls1? Its 346 ci, and does 350 hp?Course the stock ls1 is a pile.. its with heads/cam that it picks up. Lots of guys doing 90-95hp/l with heads/cam setups.. some who are supposedly doing 100hp/l if they make 500rwhp on a stock shortblock.. but theres only like 5 cars who claimed to have do that, and honestly i think its bullshit.

Peace,
Josh

The 427 Ls7 is very impressive. I think every peice is great except for the pistons....cast pistons? why? With the forged moly crank, titanium rods, billet 6 bolt main caps, and they go with cast pistons. i guess they want people to stay away from nitrouse..lol. I read somewhere that GM has said that racing the 06 vette on a road course wont void the warrenty.

[Thacker]

Originally posted by Dusty900
The 427 Ls7 is very impressive. I think every peice is great except for the pistons....cast pistons? why? With the forged moly crank, titanium rods, billet 6 bolt main caps, and they go with cast pistons. i guess they want people to stay away from nitrouse..lol. I read somewhere that GM has said that racing the 06 vette on a road course wont void the warrenty.

Chevy has been claiming forged pistons for the ls7 lately.

[Harley]

Originally posted by distortion_69
The ls7 is whats going to be ridicolous.

wait til we have z06's with headers/cam/200shot doin like deep 9's on stock shortblock.. lol.

Peace,
Josh The price is whats going to be ridiculous. An impressive motor no doubt, but I would be pissed if i had to spend 70K+ on a car and then do stuff to it to run 9's in a 3000lb car.

[m1key99ws6]

Even worse spending 140,000 on a Ford GT, to just run mid 11's. LOL ;) The door swings both ways.

[Harley]

I also never said anything about it being impressive though did I.

Just in case you were wondering....It does make more power than the almighty new vette though:D

http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/specs.asp

[fullyrace]

Maybe you LS1 fans should check out the street warrior class in FFW competition.

The basics are 3000 lbs, 310 cubic inches, heads, cam (max .500 lift), intake.

Here are top 3 qualifiers from the last event. Also, Scaro ran in the 9's during eliminations.

Darrell Peterson - 9.56@137.86
Jeremy Martorella - 9.662@137.40
John Scaro - 10.124@136.32

[m1key99ws6]

I was even more impressed with the factory stock class (not sure if it's still around), those guys were flying running on stock type parts. :)

[LT99LS1]

:repost:

It never fails, Ford Vs.Chevy owners.

Lets see if I can boil this thread down.

LS1 owners are the new " 80's/Early 90's Mustang" owner of the late 90's/00's. I.E MY car is fast and my shit don't stink.:D Got on my fucking nerves when the Mustang guys did it then and worst now that the LS1 guys do it now.

One and half years to go for the Gm to release the new Camaro.

Older cars are cheaper it make go fast.
A lighter car can go faster with less HP.

Fuck it lets just go race.

[speedvisioncavalier]

Originally posted by vortech_95-gt
yeah but I guess they were just trying to do more with less...who knows ....even with the smaller motor they were still making the same hp. per liter as the ls1 ...I think it was like 57hp per lliter so the potential was there just needed more cubic inches

if you want to play the hp per liter game, gm was still busting fords ass way back in 1990 with the quad 4, making 84hp per liter with its 190 hp W41 motor. (2.26 liters) just needed more cubes, and another bank of cylinders and you mustang boys would be all tears.

[vortech_95-gt]

{you mustang boys would be all tears.}QUOTE
Coulda ..shoulda ..woulda your still 4 cylinders short of a real motor:D ....shit Ive got one of those sorry ass 5.0's that you guys are bashing that makes over 100 hp per liter ...completely stock bottom end the very one ford installed in 1995 ...I only drive 4 cylinders when Im short on gas money



QUOTE
[if you want to play the hp per liter game, gm was still busting fords ass way back in 1990 with the quad 4, making 84hp per liter with its 190 hp W41 motor. (2.26 liters) just needed more cubes,]

OOOOOH IMPRESSIVE;) ...At least for 1990;)

[PainTrain]

Originally posted by speedvisioncavalier
if you want to play the hp per liter game, gm was still busting fords ass way back in 1990 with the quad 4, making 84hp per liter with its 190 hp W41 motor. (2.26 liters) just needed more cubes, and another bank of cylinders and you mustang boys would be all tears.


Douchebag.......go back to band camp.

[speedvisioncavalier]

Originally posted by PainTrain
Douchebag.......go back to band camp.

no one asked you to open your cock holster in this thread. STFU.:bash:

[fullyrace]

My DSM made 300 hp per liter. :D

[distortion_69]

For 65k.. what you get is a bargain.. can't really compare it to a stalled, geared, loud.. drag car.. Drive the z06 to the track, throw on a m/t drag radial for track days on a set of spare rims.. you have a decent sized cam (23x/23x.. still relatively small for a 427) slightly choppy idle, and a decent set of headers.. you have a 10 second car.. and a car that can go to the track and whoop up on vipers/etc. Its not a bad car.. If it was more expensive I'd think not.. but chances are poor folks like me who live on mediocre jobs could actually afford a used one after a few years.

Peace,
Josh

[speedvisioncavalier]

Originally posted by fullyrace
My DSM made 300 hp per liter. :D

with a power adder. :D

what do you think that engine would make on motor?:drunk:

[Joey Hanie]

Originally posted by speedvisioncavalier
with a power adder. :D

what do you think that engine would make on motor?:drunk:

i will give the quad4 a little credit, they make us gm techs some money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[distortion_69]

Heres a few stats on some of our faster cars.. most are stock shortblock.. off the shelf heads/cam.. or stock heads.. stock heads/cam.. We don't have NEAR the amount of people actually building race cars as the mustang boys.. our motor is in its infancy in the racing classes.. At thunder shootout there was probably only 20-30 cars competing total for every single class.. we were lucky to have more than 3 cars in any class period.. much less qualifying. So as you can see these cars are just your average joe building a car out of off the shelf parts and gutting the car out.. Although at 3000lb raceweight I think some of them would do very well.. Considering the 46 cubic inch advantage.. regardless of the fact most of those cars probably run solid cams, aftermarket head castings, 5000+ stalls, and crazy gearing. One car on here runs a solid cam and thats Futral. The rest are all off the shelf hydraulic cams that are limited in size by piston to valve clearance, as we there is no valve reliefs on stock piston.. I imagine most of those cars in your list also have lightweight rotating assemblies, and stronger internals able to turn high rpms. An ls1 could go slightly faster do its cubic inch advantage if the actual support was there.. just like any engine.. ls1 can be as fast as a 302..

Fact of the matter is.. alot of guys just throw heads/cam and build our chassis up to run our times usually.. which is where ls1 guys mostly brag.. Most of them are running surprisingly streetable combo's and runnin deep into the 10's. Can't really think thats unimpressive on a stock shortblock. Especially considering the ls1 racing didn't get real serious until recently.. All of these records were done this year.. hell the first few years of the ls1 setup I remember reading heads/cam cars running 12's.. and 11's were just downright crazy.. things have changed alot.. and I expect there will be 9 second heads/cam/stock shortblock cars in the next year or two.

*Fireball ran 10.48 at 3375 raceweight in his car.. on the stock shortblock.. off the shelf heads/cam.. T-rex cam and GTP S2 heads. 1.433 60'

*Allan Futral went 9.95 @ 136.80 @ 3250lbs with stock cubes with a 6 speed.. w/ 1.333 60' (not bad for a 6 speed) he drove his car back and forth to work for the past 3 weeks according to him on the phone 2-3 days ago :)

*Rodney has gone 10.43 @ 130 with stock heads/shortblock.. on a 1.40 60' at 3150lbs raceweight.. his car is pretty consistant as I saw it run at Thunder Shootout in November. This car is also a 6 speed. It was incredibly complete, considering the raceweight. I wouldn't hesitate to daily drive it.

*Coach has gone 10.292 @ 129 with a heads/cam LS1.. 1.348 60'.. Stock shortblock.. just a bracket racer. 3212lb raceweight.

*Magnus went 10.987@119.31 1.422 60' on stock internals. (stock motor with boltons) Raceweight on his car is in the 2900's tho.


I think an LS1 went 9's in the stock eliminator a few years ago though.. Maybe his name was Al corda or something? I forget.. to be honest.

BTW: In case you wonder why I have such long posts, I type 150-160wpm :) lol.

Peace,
Josh

[Dusty900]

Originally posted by 87316
The price is whats going to be ridiculous. An impressive motor no doubt, but I would be pissed if i had to spend 70K+ on a car and then do stuff to it to run 9's in a 3000lb car.

Originally posted by 87316
I also never said anything about it being impressive though did I.

Just in case you were wondering....It does make more power than the almighty new vette though:D

http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/specs.asp

lets see...hafta spend 70k on a chevy to get a stock car with 500 horses and thats alot of money..........but then again if you hafta spend 140k on a ford to get 50 more horses than the chevy and that makes it cool.....now i could be wrong i guess but it looks to me like the chevy is the better deal....:rolleyes:

[Harley]

NOWHERE have i said ANYTHING about the GT being a good deal. NOR have i said there was anything cool about it.

All i said was that i would be pissed if i had to pay 70K+ for a car and still have to do stuff to it to run 9's.....i would also be pissed if i had to spent 140K to do the same

All i meant by it was that if i spend, $70,000 on a car with the intent of going fast.....it had damn well better be faster than 9 seconds.

[Dusty900]

My point was you pointed out that the gt made 50 more hp than the chevy and i was pointing out that it cost 70k more to get the 50 more hp

[Dusty900]

Originally posted by 87316
NOWHERE have i said ANYTHING about the GT being a good deal. NOR have i said there was anything cool about it.

All i said was that i would be pissed if i had to pay 70K+ for a car and still have to do stuff to it to run 9's.....i would also be pissed if i had to spent 140K to do the same

All i meant by it was that if i spend, $70,000 on a car with the intent of going fast.....it had damn well better be faster than 9 seconds.

Sorry. wasnt trying to put words in your mouth.

[Harley]

-edit-

[Joey Hanie]

older men are the ones i see buying vettes the most.
so to you guys i say. viagra is cheaper!!!!!!

[Dusty900]

Originally posted by williecumminer
older men are the ones i see buying vettes the most.
so to you guys i say. viagra is cheaper!!!!!!

AMEN..........................but i would like to get ahold of a zo6 after its a couple years old and a little cheaper... :D

[Joey Hanie]

Originally posted by Dusty900
AMEN..........................but i would like to get ahold of a zo6 after its a couple years old and a little cheaper... :D

a couple years old would be good, just dont buy it from a dealer!
i know what happens to used cars!!!!!!!!

[Dusty900]

Originally posted by williecumminer
a couple years old would be good, just dont buy it from a dealer!
i know what happens to used cars!!!!!!!!

lol i hear ya

[we_todd_did]

Hell the arguement ford vs chevy has been going on for 60+ years but what it bowls down to is preferance and if you want to build a fast car cheap.

Then that bowls down to how many people you know with the same car cause you can get parts cheaper, personaly i would rather have a camaro lt1 or ls1, the others, to me are ugly, plus these are easy to mod.

But I have built 2 mustangs, mainly cause they were cheaper to me due to everyone i know owns them so i can get parts cheap. As for dependability my mom has owned a 93 z28 and everything in that car went wrong from headgaskets to the transmission to the rear-end going out at 3k miles and the window switches breaking once a year and the plastic handle inside the car breaking and the radio amp going out in the back, and keep in mind she never abused her car in anyway she drove it like a normal person would. Also had every service done at the dealership (mistake) so it was taken care of. Now she bought a 04 mustang gt and she loves it way more then her other car, she has had it about a year and has about 17k miles on it and has had not one problem. I personally would have rather had the camaro cause i have always liked them, but first hand having her own both from being brand new you get to see how they hold up and thats why mustangs have more repeat buyers and are still being produced.

But thats just my .02

[distortion_69]

Our family has had 3 lt1's..

1 had 150k when it was totaled on stock tranny/motor and ran fine.

The other has 170k.. its had a tranny put in from a ripoff shop that had to be fixed under warranty.. and then eventually replaced iwth an ebay unit.. Factory motor runs fine.. Car still runs fine.. ran without an air filter for a year by accident when I bought the car and it didn't have one in the FIPK down in the little box.. never checked it.. went to oil it and voila.. wasn't even one there. No way it could have fell off.. lol. I used this as my college car and floored it on average of 10-20 times a day from 107k-140k. It has seen 140-150 over 500 times I'm sure, as I was a stupid teenager. Anyone of my friends can vouch for this.

The other is a 1994 Transam my mom drives now.. it has around 90k-100k on it.. original engine/tranny.. clutch has been replaced with a ram stage 1.. it has 4.10 gears, 1.6 roller rockers, 58mm tb and shorty headers ever since she bought it.. its a pretty quick car :) No telling how bad its been abused.. but it runs like a champ and probably will for another 100k easy.

On camaroz28.com its not uncommon to see lt1s with 150k spraying.. I know theres one guy at moreland who has like 170k on his lt1 with a hotcam.

These are pretty reliable cars :) Your moms was a lemon.

I can't say much for the window motors.. I think all of ours have had 1 fail..

Just my argument..

I agree with shane tho.. parts has alot to do with how many folks you know with the car and if you can get some deals from friends and such. Although typically sbc/sbf is the cheapest.

Peace,
Josh

[we_todd_did]

I agree it was a lemon it had to have been built on a monday but regardless at about 7k miles the rear end started making nosie then martin burks wouldnt fix it said it was ragged out when my mother was the only one driving it and also had original tires on it but terry cullen ended up fixin it then the trans went out (auto) at about 70k and then the headgasket was leaking coolant from the back of the block at about 75k and then it started to idle at 3k rpms and that was it she just traded it in but like i said i want a 6 speed camaro bad, just cant afford it right now, not because the car is high the insurance will kill me hell the insurance full coverage on my teg is 312 a month a camaro would be at least 400 so im gonna wait a couple years before i get one untill my driving record clears up and im 25


See if i owned a fox body insurance would be about 80 a month nofault cause i i totaled it owe well get another shell cheap there everywhere but bone stock to bone stock for the last 20+ years the camaro has been the ticket from the showroom floor.

[Roy Johnson, Jr.]

Originally posted by Thacker
ROFL.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/ford/smallblock/0408em_dss/

Looks like according to engine master, and muscle mustangs and fast fords.. you need a stroked out, forged internal boosted motor.

I am sure most of you have this... but it just has to be a shot to your ego.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

:embarras:


I use 79 cubic inches to beat LS1s. :D

[distortion_69]

Are you sure it wasn't the intake manifold was leaking oil out the back? Thats real common on LT1's.. takes about $20 and a few hours to fix, but a shop will rip you off severe.. I had a friend pay $600 one time.. Takes about an hour to fix..

$312 for full coverage in an integra? Holy crap thats a bad driving record :)

I'd expect to pay around $300-$400/month for full coverage in an lt1 if you have a great driving record. If your insurance is in your parents policy.. you'll pay next to nothing.. I pay $80/month full coverage.. I'm 22.

I've never heard of a head gasket blowing on an lt1 for no reason.. usually its a stopped up radiator due to not flushing it.. or a bad thermostat.

Peace,
Josh

[we_todd_did]

Originally posted by distortion_69
Are you sure it wasn't the intake manifold was leaking oil out the back? Thats real common on LT1's.. takes about $20 and a few hours to fix, but a shop will rip you off severe.. I had a friend pay $600 one time.. Takes about an hour to fix..

$312 for full coverage in an integra? Holy crap thats a bad driving record :)

I'd expect to pay around $300-$400/month for full coverage in an lt1 if you have a great driving record. If your insurance is in your parents policy.. you'll pay next to nothing.. I pay $80/month full coverage.. I'm 22.

I've never heard of a head gasket blowing on an lt1 for no reason.. usually its a stopped up radiator due to not flushing it.. or a bad thermostat.

Peace,
Josh

No i thought it was that also the intake but it was the headgasket was leaking anitfreeze also the car never ran hott and always had its services done unfortenitly i dont live at home and i have a house so i cant get on my parents policy and yes i have a pretty bad driving record all when i first got my licence

[fullyrace]

Speaking of Chevys...look for this bad-ass twin turbo LT1 powered Camarro to make it's debut possibly this Sunday. It only made 835 rwhp through a Turbo 400...:eek:...with more left in it. It makes 650 on 10 psi. :D

This is an old pic.

[andy00steeda]

Jeremy you need to get some updated pics of Grants car up for us. Carl talked to him the other day and he told Carl what it made and that it still has more left in it. Get some pics of Erics car too while your at it.

[distortion_69]

Impressive LT1 setup, they do well under boost.. I'm a big fan of FI LS1/LT1 cars.. they make big numbers with next to no boost.. I hope to catch a glimpse of it.

Peace,
Josh

[METALBEAST]

Originally posted by fullyrace
Speaking of Chevys...look for this bad-ass twin turbo LT1 powered Camarro to make it's debut possibly this Sunday. It only made 835 rwhp through a Turbo 400...:eek:...with more left in it. It makes 650 on 10 psi. :D

This is an old pic.

Great to see the good ole LT1 makin some great numbers!