Wow Cam only LS2 460rwhp

[Thacker]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310583


Thats more than the average pullied Cobra. :D

[Thacker]

Originally posted by Thacker
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310583


Thats more than the average pullied Cobra. :D

Set of heads, and a bigger cam and you've got over 500 to the wheels, NA out of a 360ish CI motor. Not bad, considering it'd get over 20mpg still... thats the ultimate hotrod crate motor right there.

[vortech_95-gt]

Thacker ...what do they mean by they changed from ls2 90 manifold to a fast 90 manifold?

[Noslo5oh]

that thread on LS1tech says that the heads have never been off and are untouched, yet it has upgraded valve springs?????

[Gone In 5 Seconds]

Originally posted by Noslo5oh
that thread on LS1tech says that the heads have never been off and are untouched, yet it has upgraded valve springs????? It isn't un-heard of. Although it is a pain in the ass when your trying to set up the installed height, I just assume to buy some gaskets and head bolts and do it the easy way.

[PainTrain]

:bsmeter: :bsmeter: :bsmeter: :bsmeter:

[PainTrain]

Hell man...someone man the lifeboat.

[modracer]

i am not arguing the heads off either way as i did not read the link but when i worked at the chevy dealer many years ago i changed out tons of valve seals and never removed the heads, just put air to the cylinder and i used either a push bar made for it or a spring compressor to remove the springs so we could get to the seals. like i said, dont know about the other though:D

[mike's02ls1]

Originally posted by Noslo5oh
that thread on LS1tech says that the heads have never been off and are untouched, yet it has upgraded valve springs????? U need the upgraded valve springs cause of the big lift on the cam. My heads never been off my car, but with my big cam I needed dual valve springs to handle the lift. .600/.608

[CPC]

Originally posted by Thacker
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310583


Thats more than the average pullied Cobra. :D

what a bunch bullshit!!!! why is it that most ls1 guy's are chassis dyno queens?????? you take that 460rwhp lsi and put it up against a 460rwhp 03 cobra and the cobra wins everytime....

[57fairlane]

Originally posted by Thacker
and a bigger cam

and I wonder what will happen to the torque . . .

I actually wonder what the valve timing events for this mystery (G-5 whatever) cam are? Whatever it is, its on the ragged edge of being streetable as far as optimal compression.

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by CPC
what a bunch bullshit!!!! why is it that most ls1 guy's are chassis dyno queens?????? you take that 460rwhp lsi and put it up against a 460rwhp 03 cobra and the cobra wins everytime....

blower versus n/a though.......... I am not oging ot start a flame war here , but its hard to have any production ford motor make near the power of ls1's and ls2's witht he same mods.....

now ford has its dominance on the cobra thats for sure!!!


the heads flow stock what ported fords heads flow. some of the ls6 heads from 330+ plus when ported.....

not knocking ford, but gm has it on them for na power.....

[Thacker]

Originally posted by CPC
what a bunch bullshit!!!! why is it that most ls1 guy's are chassis dyno queens?????? you take that 460rwhp lsi and put it up against a 460rwhp 03 cobra and the cobra wins everytime....

LS1's are chassis dyno queens? Funny we say that about the 03 Cobras.

LS1's trap 120+ with 410-420 at the wheels. 03 Cobras are lucky to hit that with 460-480rwhp, not to mention the typical ls1 thats trapping that much is running 11.8's - 11.4's on less than sticky tires.

[coupe performance]

Originally posted by Thacker
LS1's are chassis dyno queens? Funny we say that about the 03 Cobras.

LS1's trap 120+ with 410-420 at the wheels. 03 Cobras are lucky to hit that with 460-480rwhp, not to mention the typical ls1 thats trapping that much is running 11.8's - 11.4's on less than sticky tires.

I think both are dyno Queens.....and Fox cars are track KINGS!:D

[mike's02ls1]

Originally posted by coupe performance
I think both are dyno Queens.....and Fox cars are track KINGS!:D Yep but can go even faster with a Chebbie in it.lol

[distortion_69]

This car might be a dyno queen.. but that doesn't mean all of them will be.. Not that you care.. all you give a shit about is mustangs anyways :) An ls2 could very well run 10.3-10.5's and still retain a fully streetable interior with that level of power. You do not have to pull heads to do cam swap.. Over here we just turn the motor over til the piston holds the valve up, yank the spring off, put the new one on, and go to the next. Pretty easy process.. takes about an hour once you start on the first spring.
FWIW.. I haven't been in any car with any cam that I wouldn't consider "not-streetable". It all depends on tuning... without any tuning alot of them aren't streetable.. but tuning is so easy on the lsx platform, it'd be rare to find somebody stupid enough to run a cam without tuning of that size. And for what its worth.. a 460rwhp 03 cobra will get RAPED by a 460rwhp LSx with both being setup to run at the strip.

Peace,
Josh

[coupe performance]

Originally posted by distortion_69
This car might be a dyno queen.. but that doesn't mean all of them will be.. Not that you care.. all you give a shit about is mustangs anyways :) An ls2 could very well run 10.3-10.5's and still retain a fully streetable interior with that level of power. You do not have to pull heads to do cam swap.. Over here we just turn the motor over til the piston holds the valve up, yank the spring off, put the new one on, and go to the next. Pretty easy process.. takes about an hour once you start on the first spring.
FWIW.. I haven't been in any car with any cam that I wouldn't consider "not-streetable". It all depends on tuning... without any tuning alot of them aren't streetable.. but tuning is so easy on the lsx platform, it'd be rare to find somebody stupid enough to run a cam without tuning of that size. And for what its worth.. a 460rwhp 03 cobra will get RAPED by a 460rwhp LSx with both being setup to run at the strip.

Peace,
Josh

This is a tough call. I'm not sure I buy what your selling. Most 460 RWHP N/A motors make a peaky power curve. Most Positive dis. blowers that make 460 RWHPO make a BIG, flat curve. Now, if you take into consideration that the blower car will have more power longer(although not more Peak) it only makes sense that the blower car is gonna go quicker. If both were set-up to run at the strip, said Cobra wuold have a solid axle, so I'm not so sure a Ls! wuold walk from it by no means....may be just the opposite.:cool:

[distortion_69]

This is pretty easy to solve.. what does a 460rwhp Cobra run in your experience? They are heavy as hell.. but weight reduction included.. solid axle.. anything.. what from your experience does it run?

BTW: This is what a cam only graph would look like with a cam almost the same specs as Whacker's.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308273

Although this car doesn't have the highest torque numbers I've seen, the graph looks pretty nice to me.


Peace,
Josh

[coupe performance]

Originally posted by distortion_69
This is pretty easy to solve.. what does a 460rwhp Cobra run in your experience? They are heavy as hell.. but weight reduction included.. solid axle.. anything.. what from your experience does it run?

Peace,
Josh

Sorry dude, I got no exp. with a cobra or LS1 for that matter. What I can tell you is that from my exp., I've owned Vortech superchared cars(peaky power curve) and nitrous cars(flat power curve) and the nitrous car ALWAYS went quicker for a given H.P. level.Why? Because it made more average H.P. and torque than the S/C car. This wont answer your Q. but its food for thought with real-world exp.;)

[distortion_69]

I agree with you 100% on the nitrous scenario.

However, if I had to pick between 600rwhp n/a horsepower, or 600rwhp s/c or turbo hp.. I believe I'd pick the n/a.. It will almost all the time get down the track in less time than the turbo/sc car if setup properly. To me this is the same at 400rwhp and so on.. the best example might be what does a 03 cobra run off the showroom floor with 370-380rwhp.. and what would an ls1 with 370-380rwhp run.. keep in mind thackers car only makes 370-375rwhp... and his is one of the slower cam only cars thats actually setup to race.

Peace,
Josh

[fade2blk500]

i'm sure that cars got 10's in it for sure with the right suspension. I don't think it'll do it with IRS..

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by distortion_69
This is pretty easy to solve.. what does a 460rwhp Cobra run in your experience? They are heavy as hell.. but weight reduction included.. solid axle.. anything.. what from your experience does it run?

BTW: This is what a cam only graph would look like with a cam almost the same specs as Whacker's.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308273

Although this car doesn't have the highest torque numbers I've seen, the graph looks pretty nice to me.


Peace,
Josh Not really sure this car fits the bill exactly but NOVIFEDCOUPE'S 04 cobra full weight went 11.70's with mid 400 hp #'s with the IRS still in place on radials with 1.9 to 2.0 60 ft's at grudge wars. With reasonable weight reduction , tires and a solid axle I believe it would put down some damn good #s. Plus it was only his 2nd time at the track in it ...so there was probably a little left on the table

[Sanchez]

Originally posted by vortech_95-gt
Not really sure this car fits the bill exactly but NOVIFEDCOUPE'S 04 cobra full weight went 11.70's with mid 400 hp #'s with the IRS still in place on radials with 1.9 to 2.0 60 ft's at grudge wars. With reasonable weight reduction , tires and a solid axle I believe it would put down some damn good #s. Plus it was only his 2nd time at the track in it ...so there was probably a little left on the table

Hey, that's actually pretty good driving. Most of the 03/04 Cobras in our SVTOA chapter are in the mid-400 rwhp range, but the best time I've seen one of them run was a 12.0x. Admittedly it was a convertible, so it's a couple of hundred lbs heavier, but the guy also had the passenger and rear seats removed.

[distortion_69]

"Originally posted by vortech_95-gt
Not really sure this car fits the bill exactly but NOVIFEDCOUPE'S 04 cobra full weight went 11.70's with mid 400 hp #'s with the IRS still in place on radials with 1.9 to 2.0 60 ft's at grudge wars. With reasonable weight reduction , tires and a solid axle I believe it would put down some damn good #s. Plus it was only his 2nd time at the track in it ...so there was probably a little left on the table"

Those are good times.. What was his mph? This really is an apples to oranges comparison as the car is cutting 1.9 60' with street tires rather than running slicks.

JFYI: Whacker went 12.0 @ 116mph with a 2.0 60' with 370rwhp..

A 450rwhp street tires ls1 at near full weight cutting 1.9 60' is likely going to trap 125mph if the car dynos a true 450rwhp and mid 11's.. It is more than likely that a Cobra of the same power would trap closer to 120mph..

Simply put.. the blower gives no distinct advantage in acceleration with the same amount of power over the LS1, and it's very unlikely that the car will be able to make up the weight difference. The reason an LS1 with 460rwhp will have a better ET than a 03 Cobra with 460rwhp is the same reason a notchback mustang with 460rwhp is likely going to out ET an ls1..

Weight.

All I'm saying.. is a 460rwhp LS2 stands to run alot better time than the guy thinks up above.. its very possible in a proper f-body chassis the car could go ~10 flat.

Peace,
Josh

[vortech_95-gt]

I believe it was 7.75 1/8th @99 mph and the 1/4 mph was 123

[mustang23LX]

naws!

[Corner-Carver]

Mods as follows:

Stock Heads, un touched, never off
Stock Water pump
Stock pulley
Stock clutch
LG Pro Long Tube headers
Borla Stinger muffler
G5X-4 cam by LG Motorsports
Upgraded valve springs
LS 2 edit by LGM


Cam only huh?

[CPC]

When you talk about air flow,it`s a lot better if you know what you are talking about, and how it applies to the subject. A 4v cobra head easily out flows an Ls1 chevy head at peak or for average flow. And I have ported and flowed many Ls1 and 4v ford heads, and I have flowed Ls1 heads from patroit-Tea-and and some local people no Ls1 head flows more than 285 cfm at .750 valve lift on an Ls1 bore size block! to flow those numbers on my Super Flow 600 the bore must be out to 4.030 to flow over 310.cfm. the best Ls1-Ls6 head we had flowed 323 cfm but that head flowed worse until it got to .525 lift then the heads that flowed in the 310-315 cfm range. A 4v cobra head ported will flow 240 -245 cfm at .300 valve lift where an Ls1 is about 216 cfm. and a well ported cobra head will flow over 330 cfm on a stock bore size. A 1970 351 cleveland head stock on a stock bore flows over 280 cfm and ported will go over 360 cfm on a stock bore! And from the looks of the engine Masters challenge Ford engines finished in 3 of the top 5 including the winner, who used a alum. copy of the 351 cleveland head. Just my observation! Dan

[Thacker]

Originally posted by CPC
When you talk about air flow,it`s a lot better if you know what you are talking about, and how it applies to the subject. A 4v cobra head easily out flows an Ls1 chevy head at peak or for average flow. And I have ported and flowed many Ls1 and 4v ford heads, and I have flowed Ls1 heads from patroit-Tea-and and some local people no Ls1 head flows more than 285 cfm at .750 valve lift on an Ls1 bore size block! to flow those numbers on my Super Flow 600 the bore must be out to 4.030 to flow over 310.cfm. the best Ls1-Ls6 head we had flowed 323 cfm but that head flowed worse until it got to .525 lift then the heads that flowed in the 310-315 cfm range. A 4v cobra head ported will flow 240 -245 cfm at .300 valve lift where an Ls1 is about 216 cfm. and a well ported cobra head will flow over 330 cfm on a stock bore size. A 1970 351 cleveland head stock on a stock bore flows over 280 cfm and ported will go over 360 cfm on a stock bore! And from the looks of the engine Masters challenge Ford engines finished in 3 of the top 5 including the winner, who used a alum. copy of the 351 cleveland head. Just my observation! Dan

LOL. Tell tony @ AFR that. Hes gotten almost 350 out of a stock bore ls1, on his flowbench and on others.

[fade2blk500]

Originally posted by CPC
When you talk about air flow,it`s a lot better if you know what you are talking about, and how it applies to the subject. A 4v cobra head easily out flows an Ls1 chevy head at peak or for average flow. And I have ported and flowed many Ls1 and 4v ford heads, and I have flowed Ls1 heads from patroit-Tea-and and some local people no Ls1 head flows more than 285 cfm at .750 valve lift on an Ls1 bore size block! to flow those numbers on my Super Flow 600 the bore must be out to 4.030 to flow over 310.cfm. the best Ls1-Ls6 head we had flowed 323 cfm but that head flowed worse until it got to .525 lift then the heads that flowed in the 310-315 cfm range. A 4v cobra head ported will flow 240 -245 cfm at .300 valve lift where an Ls1 is about 216 cfm. and a well ported cobra head will flow over 330 cfm on a stock bore size. A 1970 351 cleveland head stock on a stock bore flows over 280 cfm and ported will go over 360 cfm on a stock bore! And from the looks of the engine Masters challenge Ford engines finished in 3 of the top 5 including the winner, who used a alum. copy of the 351 cleveland head. Just my observation! Dan

Here is a flow chart from a stock ls2 cylinder head!

Intake Exhaust
Lift (cfm) (cfm)
0.100 75 51
0.200 153 127
0.300 218 167
0.400 267 207
0.500 306 221
0.550 323 226
0.575 327 228
0.600 330 230
0.650 297 232

[CPC]

Of course we were talking about stock type Ls1-Ls6 castings not AFRs or Ls2s but you boys just keep reading your magazines and you will be all right. And what about that Engine Masters challenge? No Ls- anythings in the competition! Dan

[distortion_69]

The thread is about LS2..

BTW: The ls7 head flow numbers stock are in the 380cfm range at under .700 lift... who knows what is to be gained with some porting.

Josh

[speedvisioncavalier]

Intake Exhaust
Lift (cfm) (cfm)
0.100 75 51
0.200 153 127
0.300 218 167
0.400 267 207


lift intake
.100 100
.200 182
.300 242
.400 280

DAMN. looks like my quad 4 head still outflows the new LS2 at the same lifts. and my bore is only 3.62"

[fade2blk500]

Originally posted by CPC
Of course we were talking about stock type Ls1-Ls6 castings not AFRs or Ls2s but you boys just keep reading your magazines and you will be all right. And what about that Engine Masters challenge? No Ls- anythings in the competition! Dan

Why would you bring up ls1-ls6 heads when we were clearly talking about the ls2, read the title of the thread. I will read the magazine as much as i want because i can't afford an ls2, ls1, or an ls6 at that matter. I am stuck in the old sbc :(

[distortion_69]

I'm not a magazine racer.. Apparently you haven't flowed a good set of heads.

There are hundreds of companies porting heads.. hell there are tons of new designs coming out every month.. The fact of the matter is, you must have flowed some old school heads, or else or some mild ones or a bad batch to only flow 280cfm. You can hardly group a cylinder head of this type into a few heads. With everybody using the stock castings there are many different ways to achieve results.

If the head numbers you have suck that bad on lowend, its likely the particular head you flowed was hogged out.

It's also not uncommon for TEA's and other heads to just stop flowing past .600 period and reach a wall.

One of the best ls1 (or any) head porters out there right now is Larry Meaux.. someone local uses his heads, iirc (Cammin Beast?).. Meaux's heads have flowed well past 320 on a stock bore several times that I'm aware of.

Just out of curiosity.. if the modular heads are so good.. where are all the 375-400rwhp cam only cars? I mean, if an ls1 can make 430rwhp+ cam only with such shitty heads.. then how come the modular motor isn't making the numbers? Maybe theres just not as many or something so nobody hears of them.. but let's be honest.. 5.6x liters of displacement out of an lsx with 425-435rwhp cam only.. I'd imagine a 4.6 could at least do 385rwhp with cam, headers, underdrive pulley .. right? I mean I"m not being an ass here.. I'm more asking.. somebody who has more experience with a mustang than I.

Thanks,
Josh

[Sanchez]

Originally posted by distortion_69
Just out of curiosity.. if the modular heads are so good.. where are all the 375-400rwhp cam only cars?

Very few people build cam-only 4v engines because it doesn't make economic sense. With four to buy, you're out over $1000 just for the cams. You can get much better bang for the buck with a power adder, and that's the route almost every mod motor owner takes.


I'd imagine a 4.6 could at least do 385rwhp with cam, headers, underdrive pulley .. right? I mean I"m not being an ass here.. I'm more asking.. somebody who has more experience with a mustang than I.


If it's possible, I've never seen it. The only N/A 4v I know of that's making those numbers has FR500 heads, cam, and intake. There's no replacement for displacement when you're talking about a naturally aspirated engine.

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by distortion_69



Just out of curiosity.. if the modular heads are so good.. where are all the 375-400rwhp cam only cars? I mean, if an ls1 can make 430rwhp+ cam only with such shitty heads.. then how come the modular motor isn't making the numbers? Maybe theres just not as many or something so nobody hears of them.. but let's be honest.. 5.6x liters of displacement out of an lsx with 425-435rwhp cam only.. I'd imagine a 4.6 could at least do 385rwhp with cam, headers, underdrive pulley .. right? I mean I"m not being an ass here.. I'm more asking.. somebody who has more experience with a mustang than I.

Thanks,
Josh I wouldnt underestimate or rule out the possibility of a 4.6 making those #'s cubic inches alone is a 20% difference in the ls1's favor as you noted above.....do the calculations and you will see that hp per liter the n/a 4v mod motor makes a little over 69.5 while the bigger ls1 only makes a little over 58.........there just arent alot of cam swapped mod motors out there they work well for what they are stock plus the expense of buying 4 cams and having them installed.....The above calculations were based on the last n/a cobras at 320 hp vs. the 330 #'s for the ls1.......just my 02 correct me if Im wrong;)

[distortion_69]

I see.. What about all motor mod motors, how are they doing.. 4.6L.. Do they make.. say.. 400rwhp with worked over heads and cams?

JFYI: the Cobra makes 320hp, and almost every manual ls1 makes 300-310 or more at the wheels. Mine did 308.. I know several who have done 310-320. In order to evaluate it properly, all factors must be taken into considering.. What does a 4.6 cobra usually make at the wheel?

Thanks,
Josh

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by distortion_69
I see.. What about all motor mod motors, how are they doing.. 4.6L.. Thanks,
Josh 320 was an all motor mod motor in 1999. Maybe Im misunderstanding you ....the 03 and 04 produce 84.78 per liter w/the eaton plus I have seen a 98 cobra rated at 305 hp dyno at 289rw

[distortion_69]

I was referring to.. an all motor BUILT mod motor.. with stock cubes.. what are they putting out? Can we take this convo into AIM in an hour or two?
Thanks,
Josh

[coupe performance]

Originally posted by distortion_69
I was referring to.. an all motor BUILT mod motor.. with stock cubes.. what are they putting out? Can we take this convo into AIM in an hour or two?
Thanks,
Josh I dont know rearwheel, but I do know that an all-motor 2 valve car that runs 10.50's on motor with a stick.

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by distortion_69
I was referring to.. an all motor BUILT mod motor.. with stock cubes.. what are they putting out?

Thanks,
Josh Couldnt tell you.....but a good question though. Like I said before not alot of people building them because of expense.....just put on a power adder and let it ride or buy an 03 or 04 and you got 390/390 with a great bottom end

[vortech_95-gt]

gotta get a very early start tomm. later zzzzzzzzzzz......

[CPC]

Once again 69 do you have a flow bench? have you ever flowed a head on a flow bench your self? Or were you there when any of these heads where flowed, and if you were do you know enough about the procedure to know that it is valid? If you answered no to any one of these questions than all of your information is here say, The heads we tested came with flow sheets from the porters and the numbers were close if you moved the bores out to 4.100! As far as a N/A mod motor the Cobra Rs with the 5.4 4v head was 385 hp which was more than any Ls1 with about 20 less cubic inches. Also Ford went with a blower to pump up the power instead of c/inch`s and they built a better quality car and it must have been the right move because the Mustang is going strong and the GM f bodys died a needed death. Dan

[bigtyre187]

Originally posted by CPC
Once again 69 do you have a flow bench? have you ever flowed a head on a flow bench your self? Or were you there when any of these heads where flowed, and if you were do you know enough about the procedure to know that it is valid? If you answered no to any one of these questions than all of your information is here say, The heads we tested came with flow sheets from the porters and the numbers were close if you moved the bores out to 4.100! As far as a N/A mod motor the Cobra Rs with the 5.4 4v head was 385 hp which was more than any Ls1 with about 20 less cubic inches. Also Ford went with a blower to pump up the power instead of c/inch`s and they built a better quality car and it must have been the right move because the Mustang is going strong and the GM f bodys died a needed death. Dan sorry to be rude but where did you get your carb work at for your turbo

[Thacker]

Originally posted by CPC
Once again 69 do you have a flow bench? have you ever flowed a head on a flow bench your self? Or were you there when any of these heads where flowed, and if you were do you know enough about the procedure to know that it is valid? If you answered no to any one of these questions than all of your information is here say, The heads we tested came with flow sheets from the porters and the numbers were close if you moved the bores out to 4.100! As far as a N/A mod motor the Cobra Rs with the 5.4 4v head was 385 hp which was more than any Ls1 with about 20 less cubic inches. Also Ford went with a blower to pump up the power instead of c/inch`s and they built a better quality car and it must have been the right move because the Mustang is going strong and the GM f bodys died a needed death. Dan "

Your last comment makes everything you say ignorant and bullshit. If you don't know why the Fbody died then you definitely don't know shit about anything else you say. Fact of the matter is if an LS1 head with 2 v can come anything close to a 4v ford head, then I would be ashamed to wear a blue oval.

[distortion_69]

Allan Futral's car makes 560rwhp or so on a 346 with Larry Meaux heads.. his car went 9.95 @ 136.8 w/ stock cubes on a 6 speed... It weighed in at 3250lbs, and is pretty much full interior. He drove it back and forth to work over a month last time I talked to him and was at the shop.

I'm sure a modular motor could compete with that with its superior heads, and the ls1's shitty flowing 280cfm port right? 9 second all motor timeslips? That's right to make the equivalent horsepower per liter powerwise of a 5.7l motor doing 560rwhp you'd obviously need 45xrwhp or so all motor out of a mod motor. I just don't see it happening.. you show me a few and I'll believe it. Until then, we can just agree that you need a blower to do the same thing an ls1 does.

And no.. I wasn't there when any of these were flowed.. I donno.. 1000+ heads were flowed I've read flow numbers before. I, however, do know how a flow bench works, have seen one, and know how easy it is to fix numbers. Unfortunately all of the people on ls1tech are all liars..

Peace,
Josh

[mustang23LX]

Originally posted by distortion_69
Allan Futral's car makes 560rwhp or so on a 346 with Larry Meaux heads.. his car went 9.95 @ 136.8 w/ stock cubes on a 6 speed... It weighed in at 3250lbs, and is pretty much full interior. He drove it back and forth to work over a month last time I talked to him and was at the shop.

I'm sure a modular motor could compete with that with its superior heads, and the ls1's shitty flowing 280cfm port right? 9 second all motor timeslips? That's right.. no it won't.. to make the equivalent horsepower per liter powerwise of a 5.7l motor doing 560rwhp you'd obviously need 45xrwhp or so all motor out of a mod motor. I just don't see it happening.. you show me a few and I'll believe it. Until then, we can just agree that you need a blower to do the same thing an ls1 does.
Micheal Tymensky ran a 9.36 @ 143 in his 2001 cobra with a naturally aspirated 4V mod motor. Joe Hutchins also went into the 9's with his 97 cobra 4V car.

[distortion_69]

Micheal Tymensky ran a 9.36 @ 143 in his 2001 cobra with a naturally aspirated 4V mod motor. Joe Hutchins also went into the 9's with his 97 cobra 4V car.

Thereee we go.. some numbers.. what are the stats on these cars? Are they 4.6l? Automatics.. manuals.. raceweight? We can derive some horespower numbers from this.

I took the liberty of looking his car up.. and its not a 4.6l.. its closer to 5.0.. still impressive.. still reading as of now :)

Thanks,
Josh

[CPC]

First thing thacker you show what a dumb a-- you are everytime you post somthing! The reason that they dropped the F body is because they couldn`t sell enough of them, because they are rattle trap POS. And I stand by my statement that Ford had the better idea with the Mustang then Chevy did with the Camaro, thats why they sold more and thats why they are still around. A copy cat is never as good as the original. So stop all your gum flapping and go fix your broke chebe. And I guess the answer to those questions was no, is that right Josh? than I will stand by my statment there also. Dan

[distortion_69]

Let's get a little more in depth then.. If lsx based heads flow so shitty.. then how come SAM went 9.17 @ 154mph with stock 243 casting heads? All motor. This is a 3200lb car.

And I don't know if the answer is no.. If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be asking the question.

Peace,
Josh

[METALBEAST]

Unless ANY of you (Chevy or Ford) had a hand in designing the *******ed engines just STFU with this *******ed pissing contest.

Fast is fast whether it be with a bowtie,blue oval, blown, stroked, on the sauce or through some sort of divine intervention. If your car gets to the end faster than the next guy......YOU WIN!!!

[Thacker]

Originally posted by CPC
First thing thacker you show what a dumb a-- you are everytime you post somthing! The reason that they dropped the F body is because they couldn`t sell enough of them, because they are rattle trap POS. And I stand by my statement that Ford had the better idea with the Mustang then Chevy did with the Camaro, thats why they sold more and thats why they are still around. A copy cat is never as good as the original. So stop all your gum flapping and go fix your broke chebe. And I guess the answer to those questions was no, is that right Josh? than I will stand by my statment there also. Dan

It'd have nothing to do with the contract running out at the Canadian plant.. or the fact that Chevy couldn't afford to update the Fbody platform to meet new crash standards... or that the only reason the mustang has hung around because daddy rushes out to buy his 16 year old daughter a v6 mustang so she can look cool at school, which probaly ammounts over 75% of the mustang sales.. to woman under the age of 25.

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by METALBEAST
Unless ANY of you (Chevy or Ford) had a hand in designing the *******ed engines just STFU with this *******ed pissing contest.

Fast is fast whether it be with a bowtie,blue oval, blown, stroked, on the sauce or through some sort of divine intervention. If your car gets to the end faster than the next guy......YOU WIN!!! well there you go folks...........thanks metalbeast your a genius......all this time we thought SCF was a place for racers and car guys to get together and talk , brag and bs and maybe even argue a little but your RIGHT........ so with your comment being stated you guys can hereby shut this site down ....we don need it anymore

[PainTrain]

Originally posted by Thacker
... or that the only reason the mustang has hung around because daddy rushes out to buy his 16 year old daughter a v6 mustang so she can look cool at school, which probaly ammounts over 75% of the mustang sales.. to woman under the age of 25.


Speculative..............and wrong.

You sound jealous and heart broken that the modern marvel you drive got shit canned.

[CPC]

Like I said Train ever time thacker posts somthing he shows the level of his stupidity. Dan

[fade2blk500]

Originally posted by PainTrain
Speculative..............and wrong.

You sound jealous and heart broken that the modern marvel you drive got shit canned.

Shit, I don't give a damn they got canned. That just makes it cheaper for the camaro lovers to buy one :D

[CPC]

Like I said Train ever time thacker posts somthing he shows the level of his stupidity. Dan

[PangleRacing]

Well I know of one ported headed(Scott Milner/Coupe Performance), cammed(Comp Cams N2O cams), stock cubic inched 4.6L. That puts down some really, really good numbers on the motor, and then prooved it by outrunning a cammed LS1 in a heads up race.

We DO have a flow bench (SuperFlow 300), and we did flow his heads and they put to shame any numbers that I have personally seen come through our shop (ported or not). So there you go folks some REAL WORLD results with HANDS ON experience.

But I must agree that a LS1/LS2/LS6 is much easier to achieve higher horsepower numbers due to it having 65 cubic inches more and that being the ONLY reason-since if you can operate a calculator you know that the 4v over-head cammed design is much, much more efficient REGARDLESS of which shortblock it is on chevy, olds, pontiac, or ford.

Continue your hear-say arguement-the FACTS have been stated!!!

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

[Thacker]

Originally posted by PangleRacing
Well I know of one ported headed(Scott Milner/Coupe Performance), cammed(Comp Cams N2O cams), stock cubic inched 4.6L. That puts down some really, really good numbers on the motor, and then prooved it by outrunning a cammed LS1 in a heads up race.

We DO have a flow bench (SuperFlow 300), and we did flow his heads and they put to shame any numbers that I have personally seen come through our shop (ported or not). So there you go folks some REAL WORLD results with HANDS ON experience.

But I must agree that a LS1/LS2/LS6 is much easier to achieve higher horsepower numbers due to it having 65 cubic inches more and that being the ONLY reason-since if you can operate a calculator you know that the 4v over-head cammed design is much, much more efficient REGARDLESS of which shortblock it is on chevy, olds, pontiac, or ford.

Continue your hear-say arguement-the FACTS have been stated!!!

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

If the 4v is so efficient.. why can an LS1 make those numbers but retain great gas mileage? While a 4.6 struggles to make the same gas mileage stock, as my cammed LS1 does? Just a question.. if its so efficient. Not to mention an LS1 car typically weighs teh same or more?

[PangleRacing]

I'll say it again for the hooked on phonics folks, the reason for the LS motors making the high horsepower numbers is the cubic inches not it being a more efficient motor, and the reason for the better gas mileage is because (I can't believe I have to explain this to you) of the 6th gear overdrive that is in the 6-speed trannies, gas mileage also has to do with aerodynamics, tire friction, etc. etc...

Anymore Brain Busters???

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

[Thacker]

Originally posted by PangleRacing
I'll say it again for the hooked on phonics folks, the reason for the LS motors making the high horsepower numbers is the cubic inches not it being a more efficient motor, and the reason for the better gas mileage is because (I can't believe I have to explain this to you) of the 6th gear overdrive that is in the 6-speed trannies, gas mileage also has to do with aerodynamics, tire friction, etc. etc...

Anymore Brain Busters???

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

If that 6spd makes such a difference.. what is the Cobras excuse?

[Sanchez]

Originally posted by Thacker
If the 4v is so efficient.. why can an LS1 make those numbers but retain great gas mileage?

What kind of gas mileage does a mid-400's naturally aspirated LS1 get?

[10.5]

Originally posted by PangleRacing
I'll say it again for the hooked on phonics folks, the reason for the LS motors making the high horsepower numbers is the cubic inches not it being a more efficient motor, and the reason for the better gas mileage is because (I can't believe I have to explain this to you) of the 6th gear overdrive that is in the 6-speed trannies, gas mileage also has to do with aerodynamics, tire friction, etc. etc...

Anymore Brain Busters???

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

"efficiency" is an easy calculation:

Cubic inches X Compression X RPMs (at which point you want to measure the V.E......usually peak power) X 14.7 (atmospheric pressure X Volumetric Effeiciency (or "efficiency")
_________________________________________________

792,000

=

flywheel hp

IF you have all the #'s except V.E, then just solve for it.

Example: (my engine)

445 X 10.8 X 7000 X 14.7 X V.E/ 792,000 = 561.97 flywheel hp

V.E.= .9

Someone just post some numbers for the ford and chevy, and we'll figure it out........

[Thacker]

Originally posted by Sanchez
What kind of gas mileage does a mid-400's naturally aspirated LS1 get?

I was getting 25-27 highway and 18-19 city.. never got below 17 even with getting on it from every stoplight type of driving.

I also had 4.11 gears, and never had a dyno tune.

[Sanchez]

Originally posted by Thacker
If that 6spd makes such a difference.. what is the Cobras excuse?

Cobra 6th gear ratio: .63
Cobra rear end ratio: 3.55
Combined ratio: 2.2365

Camaro 6th gear ratio: .5
Camaro rear end ratio: 3.42
Combined ratio: 1.71

That means the Cobra turns 30% more RPMs than the Chevy for any given speed in 6th gear. 80 mph is ~2400 rpms for the Cobra vs ~1800 for the Camaro.

Does that make a difference in gas mileage? I have no idea. I'm actually quite curious as to whether the Viper T56 will increase the mileage in my Cobra.

[PainTrain]

Originally posted by Thacker
I was getting 25-27 highway and 18-19 city.. never got below 17 even with getting on it from every stoplight type of driving.

I also had 4.11 gears, and never had a dyno tune.


Sharp as a bowling ball folks. ;)

[Sanchez]

Originally posted by Thacker
I was getting 25-27 highway and 18-19 city.. never got below 17 even with getting on it from every stoplight type of driving.

I also had 4.11 gears, and never had a dyno tune.

That's pretty good mileage, but I would expect that from a relatively weak engine. How well does a strong LS1 do?

[Thacker]

Originally posted by PainTrain
Sharp as a bowling ball folks. ;)

Ok. Ignorant fuck.

If I am so god damn stupid, how about you post FACTS to back up my bullshit? as far as I am concerned you are just another stupid fucking mustang owner, that doesn't give a shit about anyone but his god damn self, and his mustang. PROVE me wrong, and I will gladly suck on your nuts and say you are the smart one in this situation. Fact of the matter is any LS1 website, Camaro website you go too, they will back up my claims.

As stated in another thread, Tony @ AFR, you know.. the guy that probaly designed most of the heads on alot of the mustangs for this site...
Got over 28mpg in his 480 rwhp Heads cam LS1.

[Gone In 5 Seconds]

Originally posted by Thacker
Ok. I will gladly suck on your nuts and say you are my daddy! lol

[distortion_69]

Wow.. it beat "a cammed ls1".. man, I've heard all the proof I need to hear now.. Ford has really put a monopoly on the performance industry. Oh wait.. nevermind the fact a cammed ls1 could even be slower than stock.. Nevermind the cammed ls1 could be on any tire, have any number of stock suspension parts.. setup for any type of racing.. at any weight.. with any cam..

*1* cammed ls1 could run anything from 10.20's to 20's in the 1/4.. Try saying an argument that actually counts for something.. If you want to call my argument heresay.. at least have a good argument to start with.

I don't care how many flow benches you own.. if you get your hands on a set of shitty ls1 heads they are going to.. guess what you guessed it.. flow like shit. There are more heads that flow more than 300cfm with stock bore than I can count on everybody on this forums fingers/toes.. There is no argument here.. There is nothing you can say about heresay to discount that.. THere's too many of them to be an argument.

That's like saying theres no cammed ls1 11 second cars.. or there is no ls1 that runs 13.0-13.2 stock.. There's just to many to discount it. It's way beyond heresay.. its like common sense.

Peace,
Josh

[fade2blk500]

Originally posted by distortion_69
Wow.. it beat "a cammed ls1".. man, I've heard all the proof I need to hear now.. Ford has really put a monopoly on the performance industry. Oh wait.. nevermind the fact a cammed ls1 could even be slower than stock.. Nevermind the cammed ls1 could be on any tire, have any number of stock suspension parts.. setup for any type of racing.. at any weight.. with any cam..

*1* cammed ls1 could run anything from 10.20's to 20's in the 1/4.. Try saying an argument that actually counts for something.. If you want to call my argument heresay.. at least have a good argument to start with.

I don't care how many flow benches you own.. if you get your hands on a set of shitty ls1 heads they are going to.. guess what you guessed it.. flow like shit. There are more heads that flow more than 300cfm with stock bore than I can count on everybody on this forums fingers/toes.. There is no argument here.. There is nothing you can say about heresay to discount that.. THere's too many of them to be an argument.

That's like saying theres no cammed ls1 11 second cars.. or there is no ls1 that runs 13.0-13.2 stock.. There's just to many to discount it. It's way beyond heresay.. its like common sense.

Peace,
Josh

I ran 13.2 in a stock ls1 and did 11.6 in a cammed ls1 :D

[METALBEAST]

Originally posted by vortech_95-gt
well there you go folks...........thanks metalbeast your a genius......all this time we thought SCF was a place for racers and car guys to get together and talk , brag and bs and maybe even argue a little but your RIGHT........ so with your comment being stated you guys can hereby shut this site down ....we don need it anymore

What I am saying is what someone drives is there choice. I love both Fords and Chevy's (my next toy is going to be an 03-04 Cobra in all likelihood) who cares what method one company uses to make their performance machines fast. Anything can be made fast for X amount of dollars.

[PangleRacing]

The "cammed" LS1 I was reffering to runs 11.8's at 121 on radials, the same radials he was using when they raced.

So do work at/run/own a speed shop that has a flowbench? I do... So unless you then all your information is hearsay...

Yes having a .5 overdrive, versuses a .63 would make a substantial mileage increase in favor of the .5 overdrive.

So where are your HANDS ON facts at???

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

[distortion_69]

I have no idea what your msg just said, but I must say.. If you've never seen 300cfm ls1 heads, I don't know anybody with an ls1 that would be taking their car to your shop.. lol. Not only that, I'm not sure if I could take a car somewhere where someone could barely read or write anyways. This is my last reply here.. if you want to come over to ls1tech and post that there aren't 300cfm heads and look fucking stupid in front of 25,000 people.. feel free :)

Later,
Josh

[Thacker]

Originally posted by PangleRacing
The "cammed" LS1 I was reffering to runs 11.8's at 121 on radials, the same radials he was using when they raced.

So do work at/run/own a speed shop that has a flowbench? I do... So unless you then all your information is hearsay...

Yes having a .5 overdrive, versuses a .63 would make a substantial mileage increase in favor of the .5 overdrive.

So where are your HANDS ON facts at???

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

He also ran about a 13.0 pass on the street that night. Spun like hell, and hit the limtier in every gear. At the track that stang would get raped if mike ran another 11.8

[ricermx6]

Shit that mustang must have ran 10's

[PainTrain]

Originally posted by Thacker
He also ran about a 13.0 pass on the street that night. Spun like hell, and hit the limtier in every gear. At the track that stang would get raped if mike ran another 11.8

How can a car run 13 on a street? You got some magic pixie dust that tells you the e/t junior?

Is this the same pixie dust that gets you 27 mpg on your hard ass red light stomps?



Like i said.....sharp as a bowling ball. Matter of fact, thats your new nickname. Bowling Ball.

[Thacker]

Originally posted by PainTrain
How can a car run 13 on a street? You got some magic pixie dust that tells you the e/t junior?

Is this the same pixie dust that gets you 27 mpg on your hard ass red light stomps?



Like i said.....sharp as a bowling ball. Matter of fact, thats your new nickname. Bowling Ball.

God damn, you have yet to post any facts stating why what I say is stupid? It was a fucking estimate. A joke if that. His ass was all over the place, and hit the limiter in every gear. He HAD to have ran atleast a second slower.

And yes, I can get 25-27 on the highway, I said I never get less than 15-17 for a tank even when I stomp it, for an entire weekend and shit.

[PainTrain]

Originally posted by Thacker
God damn, you have yet to post any facts stating why what I say is stupid? It was a fucking estimate. A joke if that. His ass was all over the place, and hit the limiter in every gear. He HAD to have ran atleast a second slower.




I dont need to post proof to call bullshit when all you do is speculate and guess. Everything you post is lightweight........and sounds like some kid talking.

[PangleRacing]

Apparently Dis.69 your the one that can't read, I personally have an Engineering Degree so I don't know what the hell your talking about as far as not being able to read.

I never said that I hadn't seen LS1 heads flow 300cfm, I've seen plenty flow over 300cfm, of course I've also seen bone stock 4V heads flow over 300cfm stock with no portwork at all.

What I was saying(since it apparently takes you multiple times of reading something to comprehend it), was that "these" particular heads that are on a 4V motor that we put together flowed more CFM than any LS1 head we have flowed on our bench(ported or not).

I'll be more than happy to post my factual findings on any EXTREMELY BIAS chevy board, but it still won't change our hands on data with flow testing heads...

I don't understand why your (Josh) getting upset, it must be because you have no ground to stand on (ie: actual flowbench experience or data).

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

[PangleRacing]

Hey Thacker were you at the race I was reffering to - your answer is NO. Have you seen the video- your answer is NO.

Even when Mike's car hooked up it should have pulled on a weak little 281ci motor-but I'll let you in on a little secret-IT DIDNT. Mike's car is obviously makes more powerful than yours judging by what your car has run(with someone else driving) on SLICKS, and what Mike's ran(with him driving) on Drag Radials, so what kind of outcome were you looking for on Friday night???

You continue to make yourself look ill-informed and ignorant, I'm sure Jason will give you your chance to proove that LS1's are superior in every way...

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

P.S. Don't Hate :)

[Sanchez]

Originally posted by Thacker
never got below 17 even with getting on it from every stoplight type of driving.


Originally posted by Thacker
I said I never get less than 15-17 for a tank even when I stomp it

You're a dirty liar, Mr. Ball!

Also, as long as we're bashing each other's engines, I feel it necessary to point out that your LS1 is currently getting 0 miles to the gallon because it doesn't run. I'm kind of surprised it broke while making so little horsepower. :confused:

[Chris]

You're all a bunch of cry tits. Wah friggin' wah.

[CPC]

Like I said before Josh-thacker(bowling ball) you two engine masters talk magazine ( web site) talk but you can`t walk the race track walk. We build many different types of engines Ford-Gm -mopar I have seen and ported more Ls1 heads then you have ever seen. And for you two E/masters to sit here and spout off numbers when Sammy and I and people in this business do the real work and have hands on experence shows that you are magazine racers and wantabes. I stand by all my statments in this thread that what you are saying is hearsay because you have not seen or done it yourselfs. Also just for fun what is the fastest NHRA record holder using a Ls1-2-6 engine? Try this John Mohovits 6.83 at 200+ mph in the 1/4 mile that is the National record. Dan

[Corner-Carver]

Looks like many of you don't understand torque and it's ability do do work.

A few of reasons the Cobra doesn't get the gas mileage are
1.) Ford decided to give it a pig-ass rich stock tune.
2.) The 4.6 makes less torque and is pushing a heavier car. Think about it, it has to work HARDER. More work = more fuel. More fuel is directly correlated to less gas mileage.
3.) Compression ratio, LSX's are very high (around 11.5 compared to 9.5 in the NA 4.6's, 8.5 in the FI 4.6's) which leads to a better burn.


Gee, that was hard.

FWIW, in my old '99. I installed 4.10's and my gas mileage went UP. The engine got in the higher revs where it was more efficent and made more torque (there's that word again).

[Thacker]

Originally posted by Corner-Carver
Looks like many of you don't understand torque and it's ability do do work.

A few of reasons the Cobra doesn't get the gas mileage are
1.) Ford decided to give it a pig-ass rich stock tune.
2.) The 4.6 makes less torque and is pushing a heavier car. Think about it, it has to work HARDER. More work = more fuel. More fuel is directly correlated to less gas mileage.
3.) Compression ratio, LSX's are very high (around 11.5 compared to 9.5 in the NA 4.6's, 8.5 in the FI 4.6's) which leads to a better burn.


Gee, that was hard.

FWIW, in my old '99. I installed 4.10's and my gas mileage went UP. The engine got in the higher revs where it was more efficent and made more torque (there's that word again).


LS1 is a 11.5 compression? I could have sworn that they were 10.5... a full 1 notch under your Bs numbers.

Ofcourse the 4.6 does make less torque.. I mean the 03 Cobras dyno'ing 380+ rwtq compared to around 330-340 for an LS1...

[Corner-Carver]

Originally posted by Thacker
LS1 is a 11.5 compression? I could have sworn that they were 10.5... a full 1 notch under your Bs numbers.

Ofcourse the 4.6 does make less torque.. I mean the 03 Cobras dyno'ing 380+ rwtq compared to around 330-340 for an LS1...

Hey thumbtack...

OK, so it's 10.5. Which is higher, 10.5 or 9.5? That should be simple enough for even you.

As for your second one: That's at WOT. Under highway criusing conditions (at vacuum) the blower on top is just eye candy. CR and cubic inches are the winner then. Next.

[CPC]

As I said before thacker it is better to keep your mouth shut and just let people think you are an idiot, then to keep opening your mouth and removing all dought! Dan

[distortion_69]

"The "cammed" LS1 I was reffering to runs 11.8's at 121 on radials, the same radials he was using when they raced.

*So do work at/run/own a speed shop that has a flowbench? I do... So unless you then all your information is hearsay...*

Yes having a .5 overdrive, versuses a .63 would make a substantial mileage increase in favor of the .5 overdrive.

So where are your HANDS ON facts at???

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop"

Try re-reading your post and then you might understand what I didn't understand. The post was in broken english, and I had a hard time deciphering it. This alone would sway me from using "Atlanta Speed Shop".

Thanks,
Josh

[distortion_69]

"Hey Thacker were you at the race I was reffering to - your answer is NO. Have you seen the video- your answer is NO.

Even when Mike's car hooked up it should have pulled on a weak little 281ci motor-but I'll let you in on a little secret-IT DIDNT. Mike's car is obviously makes more powerful than yours judging by what your car has run(with someone else driving) on SLICKS, and what Mike's ran(with him driving) on Drag Radials, so what kind of outcome were you looking for on Friday night???

You continue to make yourself look ill-informed and ignorant, I'm sure Jason will give you your chance to proove that LS1's are superior in every way...

Sammy
Atlanta Speed Shop

P.S. Don't Hate"

When my car was cam only, I beat a blown mustang.. There you go.. see how fucking dumb that sounds? Anything could have been done to my car, and anything to the mustang.. My car could have weighed anything with any number of suspension components, any weight reduction, any tires, anything.. How does that support a motor argument?

And just for your info when whackers car went 11.6 @ 117mph, it didn't have an ls6 intake or asp pulley.

Peace,
Josh

[get_sum]

dis-69.u guys just dont understand. jasons car didnt just beat fat boy but it blisterd his ass. i dont think 2 tenths is going to make a diffrence. this time it will be on N20 and SLICKS. good god thats going to hurt. JUST GIVE IT UP THACKER. Im not trying to be a dick but it is going to take alot more than a cam only ls1 to beat him. these ls1 cam only cars r quick for what they r but its just not enough.

[Thacker]

Originally posted by get_sum
dis-69.u guys just dont understand. jasons car didnt just beat fat boy but it blisterd his ass. i dont think 2 tenths is going to make a diffrence. this time it will be on N20 and SLICKS. good god thats going to hurt. JUST GIVE IT UP THACKER. Im not trying to be a dick but it is going to take alot more than a cam only ls1 to beat him. these ls1 cam only cars r quick for what they r but its just not enough.

Stupid shit. He didn't race me. He raced Mike02LS1.

[get_sum]

i know that. i was replying to dis 69 saying ur 11.60 was going to make a diffrence if u were going to race that white cobra.

[Thacker]

Originally posted by get_sum
i know that. i was replying to dis 69 saying ur 11.60 was going to make a diffrence if u were going to race that white cobra.

It would have. That cobra didn't make 446 out of an all motor 281 ROFL.

[bigtyre187]

my cobra only makes 412 hp

[Thacker]

Originally posted by bigtyre187
my cobra only makes 412 hp


yea. + 100.

[bigtyre187]

Originally posted by Thacker
yea. + 100. i wish it had that much power its stock with a h-pipe/flow masters/and a cold air pipe/and the rest is stock

[Thacker]

Originally posted by bigtyre187
i wish it had that much power its stock with a h-pipe/flow masters/and a cold air pipe/and the rest is stock

Yea, that 2.8/2.76 pulley you shoved in my face... was stock. That ported blower that used to sit at No Limit... was stock.

[bigtyre187]

Originally posted by Thacker
Yea, that 2.8/2.76 pulley you shoved in my face... was stock. That ported blower that used to sit at No Limit... was stock. thats a stock blower you want to bet me on that/its a new motor i havent put the pullie on it yet

[get_sum]

thacker- jason does not have a computer so he doesnt have the ability to talk to u guys. will u run him in the next week or two. im sure his car will be on n20 and slicks so u better strap on a rocket.

[Thacker]

Originally posted by get_sum
thacker- jason does not have a computer so he doesnt have the ability to talk to u guys. will u run him in the next week or two. im sure his car will be on n20 and slicks so u better strap on a rocket.


Better strap on a rocket? What about a 150 shot?


And no, my car is down for now.