need advice please!??

[ltrclwn]

First i would to say it was nice to meet some of you this past friday at dallas....

Secondly i need advice...that was the first time i ran my car, i know running on my street tires wasnt smart.....but i dont have my DR's from FL yet......

i was very embaressed with my times and was wondering if anyone can give me some tips as how to better them....i do know it all comes with practice.....but the HP/TQ my car puts out i should of done alot better even if i screwed up....

HP= 303.1 RWTQ=341

results from the track

1st run reaction- 1.133, 60' 2.472, et- 9.765, mph 74.71
2nd run reaction- .994, 60' 2.508, et- 10.016, mph 74.34

from what i have found out so far is my mph shouldve been somewhere in the 90 range, and my et should of been in the high 7's low 8's...just from the numbers my car puts out.....

i know these runs suck...i was embarassed with them.....(head down in shame)......but i also know everyone here races alot more then me...so any pointers would be greatly appreciated.....

[ltrclwn]

i guess i should tell you how i left the line for both runs......

first run....held clutch so car wouldnt move no throttle...second light popped clutch then hit gas to create a bog so i wouldnt spin out of the staging line.....

second run.......held clutch so car wouldnt move but had rpm's at around 1000 then popped clutch and florred it on second light....that run i spun the tires all through first, all through second and little in third

did not powershift as i cant afford anything broken at this time.....so i am sure that alone cost me some time..but not that much as i felt i was banging gears fairly quickly

also held all gears to 5800-6000k rpms......peak power for me is 5800

[mustang23LX]

Originally posted by ltrclwn
from what i have found out so far is my mph shouldve been somewhere in the 90 range, and my et should of been in the mid to high sixes...
MID TO HIGH 6's!!??!! what are you smokin'? seriously, you wouldn't be even close to that man, that's deep in the 10's in the 1/4. it takes a ton more than 300rwhp in a heavy car and it wouldn't happen on those tires or any tires for that matter. also, it would take 100+mph through the 1/8 to hit mid 6's and upper 6's about 100mph, so you'd need a TON more mph to do that (and a ton more power).

[ltrclwn]

sorry i was doin quick math in my head.....i figured 5seconds for the quarter mile and deducted that........i am assuming that with the power output and a capable driver the car should see like 12.90's -13.00 in the 1/4.......sorry about the screw up

[ltrclwn]

edited original post as so no-one else thinks i am smoking crack either......

[mustang23LX]

well, your 90mph goal is still on the optimistic side . i'd say that w/ a lot of gear, a set of slicks, a little suspension, and launching that thing off the limiter will put you a little closer to where you want to be. i'd still imagine that it would trap lower than that mph unless you had the car absolutely maxed gearing wise and 60' wise for what it was going to do. anyways, as you already said, practice practice and more practice. what gears are in it now?

[ltrclwn]

i am running 3.73 currently....

the mph i know it is not accurate but from other people i have talked with and from the conversion charts i have used that is kinda where it comes out to.....so i know it is not 100% fact..but i figured i should be close to that number???

[mustang23LX]

well something you have to keep in mind is usually those "charts" are figuring everything ideal - weather conditions, driver, gearing, weight transfer, etc. as in, getting every drop of power out of it. for instance, w/ 306rwhp (not that a peak # means everything, curves make a huge difference), red99svt runs around 90mph through the 1/8 but it's with 4.56 gears, extremely fast 60' times for the power it has (low 1.5's), and driving it hard as hell launching on the limiter...

so, to just bolt on a set of tires w/ what you've got and go out and click off a 90mph run and a good e/t probably isn't going to happen. since it's a 2V car, i'd say if you're wanting to the best e/t and mph w/ your power, it would most likely do it w/ a 4.30 gear but a 4.10 would probably make do, just not ideal. i guess what i'm getting at is you're a good ways from running the pass your after b/c having the hp (which even that you're a little on the low end border of for what you want to do) is almost the easiest/least important part of the picture.

hopefully some of the other guys (namely ones w/ mod motors) will chime in with a little advice. i'm just trying to help point you in the right direction but am no expert by any means.

[ltrclwn]

could you say that the run was expected....obviously with a better driver and not running on street tires would make some difference....

or from your experience and what you know should of it overall been better......

i was hoping to be in the low 13 second range ie like 13.5*** range for the quarter for my experience racing, even if i pulled off a very, very low 14 i dont think it would of bothered me that much......not in the 15 sec range....even the car bone stock does better then that......and i know the 98's are hindered by the heads/intake

[qkjuicedpony]

glad to meet you friday night(nice ass car by the way)

hell my car didn't do the greatest either.found out i had some weak valvesprings and experienced valve float at 5500 rpms.so it was a street tire night with a 5400 rpm shift point.i have the new valvesprings on the way to fix that then i will gte it tuned by Shankin hopefully in the next few weeks.after that i will put it into the 7's on motor and some ET DRAGS.

best run of the night:


R/T .618
60' 2.47
1/8 ET. 8.42
1/8 MPH 83.27

[Five-o-Joe]

Practice on the street launching the car quickly without tire spin in 1st gear. You can get 100 practices a day doing this where you only get a few at the track. Once you get used to launching the car quickly wth ZERO tire spin in first gear, then you can start gving it a little more throttle and haze (lightly spin) the tires in first which will give you your best 60' times on street tires. You are doing several things wrong that when corrected will have a tremendous impact on your ET. The first thing you are doing wrong is your 60 foot. With ET times that far off, I suspect you may be rolling out of the lights which is easy to do at Dallas. This starts the clock early and makes your time appear much worse than it is. Here is your to do list:

1. Practice your launches as described above
2. Use the Emergency brake to keep from rolling out of the lights
3. Practice the 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts with your right foot planted on the floor.

Practice, practice, practice.

[WNA-LOSE]

My Blue Beater ran 8.22 with a 1.69 60ft @ 83 mph...That was with 270 hp and 300 ftq. Get a set of ET Street and leave off the limiter...:D Fuck pratice...Floor it and Go...:burnout:

[mustang23LX]

Originally posted by qkjuicedpony
best run of the night:


R/T .618
60' 2.47
1/8 ET. 8.42
1/8 MPH 83.27

hmm, these numbers don't add up. a car that's running a 2.47 60' yet still crossed the traps in 8.42 seconds would need a TON of mph. that and you can figure that if you did that, that on a similar pass only w/ the 60' in the range it should be in, would put the car at ~7.0's on the motor. is your 60' a typo or something? or is your mph wrong? for instance, when i had the stick in my car, i ran a 2.3x 60' and had to hit 100mph just to run 8.20's to 8.30's. you wasted even more time through the 60' than i did which would require even more mph (hp) to make up for the lost time. ???

[ltrclwn]

Originally posted by qkjuicedpony
glad to meet you friday night(nice ass car by the way)


same here...sorry we didnt get to chat more.....

quote:
Once you get used to launching the car quickly wth ZERO tire spin in first gear, ------can i assume you mean ride the clutch out ?.....

quote:
3. Practice the 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts with your right foot planted on the floor.-------powershifting......afraid to do that right now.....as i havent invested anymoney yet into the strengthening the rear end or the clutch........(but then if i break it could be a good excuse to change that... :) )

thank you all for the advice...and not laughing me off the board, or flaming me too hard for being a noobie

[speedvisioncavalier]

ehh, everyone starts out being a noob at some point. according to my post count, i am a noob too. i am just sticking around learning stuff about drag racing and smack talking.

[qkjuicedpony]

Originally posted by mustang23LX
hmm, these numbers don't add up. a car that's running a 2.47 60' yet still crossed the traps in 8.42 seconds would need a TON of mph. that and you can figure that if you did that, that on a similar pass only w/ the 60' in the range it should be in, would put the car at ~7.0's on the motor. is your 60' a typo or something? or is your mph wrong? for instance, when i had the stick in my car, i ran a 2.3x 60' and had to hit 100mph just to run 8.20's to 8.30's. you wasted even more time through the 60' than i did which would require even more mph (hp) to make up for the lost time. ???


as a matter of fact it was a typo on my mph.it was actually 88.27 mph and thats what the timeslip says.also at or around the 60 ft mark my car would just hook up and quit spinning(when i shortshifted 2nd gear anyways)i didnt try anything else since my springs were causing the valves to float.either way the car was running too damned slow for me.so i will get the new springs on and let shankin tune it then bolt up the slicks and run the number all day.by the way it never helps to:drunk: while on a computer

[qkjuicedpony]

i must have been drunk when i posted those numbers i just got out the timeslips and the 60 for the first run of 8.42 was actually a 2.147 which is good i guess for street tires sorry for the typo's

mustang23lx---thanks for pointing this out to me once i read my own numbers i even had to step back


after the 8.42 i ran these numbers,also the 8.42 was the first run off the trailer and the second car down the track on friday afternoon the rest were ran later mostly back to back runs.and the 60 ft was near the same even got up to 2.6 once but the mph was in the 70's the rest of the night
8.96
8.95
9.10

[f-22]

trying to launch at dallas with anything other than slicks is just burning up gas. tip # 1 launch at 6000 rpms tip# 2. if tip # 1 does not give desired effect, use 125 shot. tip # 3 proceed to the largest jets!

[qkjuicedpony]

Originally posted by f-22
trying to launch at dallas with anything other than slicks is just burning up gas. tip # 1 launch at 6000 rpms tip# 2. if tip # 1 does not give desired effect, use 125 shot. tip # 3 proceed to the largest jets!

well i have ran my new car at dallas on 2 different occassions now and i have learned all of this.

i am probably going to order some ET DRAGS this week and start leaving on the limiter(as soon as the valvesprings go in)and i have a nitrous kit available i hope to spray whatever it takes to run the 6

[mustang23LX]

Originally posted by qkjuicedpony
i must have been drunk when i posted those numbers i just got out the timeslips and the 60 for the first run of 8.42 was actually a 2.147 which is good i guess for street tires sorry for the typo's

mustang23lx---thanks for pointing this out to me once i read my own numbers i even had to step back


after the 8.42 i ran these numbers,also the 8.42 was the first run off the trailer and the second car down the track on friday afternoon the rest were ran later mostly back to back runs.and the 60 ft was near the same even got up to 2.6 once but the mph was in the 70's the rest of the night
8.96
8.95
9.10

lol, well 8.42's on plain street tires is still booking it so you didn't do so bad.

[noboostcoupe]

i had a lil beater car go 8.20@82 and 12.96@104 with 258rwhp
on a set or worn out 26 M T's

[qkjuicedpony]

Originally posted by mustang23LX
lol, well 8.42's on plain street tires is still booking it so you didn't do so bad.


i wish i could have done as good as CRE Performance's Fairlane he had it in the mid to high 7's all night on street tires and they were wore out pretty bad to.

[Evil87GN]

Not that it matters a whole lot at this point, but the old GN ran 8.02 @ 93 with a 1.96 60ft on reg ol BFG radial T/As. That was at our local 1/8 track which hardly ever sees VHT or any type of traction compound, unless of course they had an event the weekend before. At least it isn't uphill and has a paved return road...:lol:

Scary part is, when the GT is running right and the fuel system is up to snuff, it will murder the GNs times. I did the altitude correction for it's best run in Amarillo....all I can say is oohhhh shit this is gonna be one fun ride.

[DSM_LX]

posted by Evil87GN
Not that it matters a whole lot at this point, but the old GN ran 8.02 @ 93 with a 1.96 60ft on reg ol BFG radial T/As. That was at our local 1/8 track which hardly ever sees VHT or any type of traction compound, unless of course they had an event the weekend before. At least it isn't uphill and has a paved return road...


:cool: What track is this? Yeah my junker dsm has run 8.6@82 in the 1/8 mile with 1.77 60 foot with 150 bucks in mods!

[Evil87GN]

Southern Dragway in Nicholls, GA......actually, it's closer to Douglas than Nicholls. Prety good little track other than them not VHT'ing it for the T&T crowd. Guess they must do something right....IHRA cert track, which means Pro Mods, dragsters, bikes, you name it. The website is www.southerndragway.com New site going up, so it's kinda spars on info right now from what I can tell.

As for the GN...that pass was 17-18# boost, street tune, and radials. With more timing, slicks, good gas, and 20# boost car went 7.28 @ 96.7 Who knows what it woulda run with more boost and traction...definitely was 6 sec possible though. The stang...well, lets just say by the conversion numbers, it should be a bit quicker if it'll stay together....:D

[Evil87GN]

I guess it hooks ok...lol. Looks like he was having one helluva ride.

http://www.dotphoto.com/GuestViewAlbum.asp?AID=758714&Page=1

Damnit...oh well, it's in the pics section on the website. It's a pretty good little track considering it's down a dirt road about 1/2 mile off a paved one...lol.

[Shankin]

Originally posted by ltrclwn
could you say that the run was expected....obviously with a better driver and not running on street tires would make some difference....

or from your experience and what you know should of it overall been better......

i was hoping to be in the low 13 second range ie like 13.5*** range for the quarter for my experience racing, even if i pulled off a very, very low 14 i dont think it would of bothered me that much......not in the 15 sec range....even the car bone stock does better then that......and i know the 98's are hindered by the heads/intake Get a shopping cart ready. You need 26x10 et drags and some good axles. Leave off the limiter and dont be afriad to kill it. This will result in 1.60 to 1.70 60 foots. thia will greatly better your times. Yor car should run 770sto 80ohs depending on how the weather is.Another tip bring ice and let the car cool. Do not hot lap it it will only get slower as the blower gets warmer.Thats my 2 cents.

[ltrclwn]

Originally posted by Shankin
Get a shopping cart ready. You need 26x10 et drags and some good axles. Leave off the limiter and dont be afriad to kill it. This will result in 1.60 to 1.70 60 foots. thia will greatly better your times. Yor car should run 770sto 80ohs depending on how the weather is.Another tip bring ice and let the car cool. Do not hot lap it it will only get slower as the blower gets warmer.Thats my 2 cents.

you got any laying around i can borrow for a night:D

what do you recommend for the rear.....as i am going to start working on that next before any more engine work....well sorta

powerpipe is going on next week....and new pulley(tired of it slipping under hard acceleration)....

[WNA-LOSE]

Originally posted by ltrclwn
you got any laying around i can borrow for a night:D



I got a pair...26x10.5 ET Streets still good...I was getting high 1.7's leaving on the limiter with stock uppers and lowers. Give me $100.00 and they are yours!

[ltrclwn]

Originally posted by WNA-LOSE
I got a pair...26x10.5 ET Streets still good...I was getting high 1.7's leaving on the limiter with stock uppers and lowers. Give me $100.00 and they are yours!

do you have any pics?.......

what size/type rim will i need for them?

how much life do you think is left in them?......

[qkjuicedpony]

Originally posted by WNA-LOSE
I got a pair...26x10.5 ET Streets still good...I was getting high 1.7's leaving on the limiter with stock uppers and lowers. Give me $100.00 and they are yours!


if he doesn't want them then i will get them from you.but since you offered them to him first i will wait to see if he wants them.

[speedvisioncavalier]

i sold a set of slicks to scaryfast a few months back, and i think he is looking to sell them again since he couldnt fit them. send him a PM for the size since i cant remember. i do remember they are a set of hoosiers, and you could tell there was alot of life left in them. easily looking at the treadwear markers.

[WNA-LOSE]

Originally posted by ltrclwn
do you have any pics?.......

what size/type rim will i need for them?

how much life do you think is left in them?......


I'll take pics tonight. They are 26x10.5 15

and they have a good amount of life left.

If you want I'll bring them to Dallas this Friday so you can look at them.

[ltrclwn]

what time do you usually get to dallas?

I was thinking about going to see if i can better those horrible times I had, but i plan on getting there when they open the gates so I can let the car cool down.....but i am not 100% if ill make it....