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N2o4u

11-13-2005, 10:43 AM

I was in the middle of the whole ordel the man was asked several times by jim jr to go sit down and drop the whole thing, the man and others continuned to pursue bunny howe the track owner and jim asked several more times for the man to lower his voice and go back to the grandstands, the man and the others in his group said they wanted there money back, and were trying to start a riot, after being asked once more to go back and sit down the man got face to face nose to nose with bunny, what kind of moron would start troub le with a woman anyway? This all was about a drunk who was asked to leave sevarl weeks ago and had nothing to do with a picture or a wreck the, jim steped between his mom and the man about a 240lb man and the man fell backward tripping over another in the crowd, when a track official asks you to step back and calm down you need to listen, and if the man was crippled(?????) he should have not put himseld in that position to start with. He did not look crippled when he was bullying a woman around with 10 or more others in his crowd, too bad he was injured but maybe next time he will learn to do as he is told.

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 10:43 AM

horse shit why didnt she call police when somebody yelled call police she yelled no dont call police why didnt she want them thereand both were yelling not just the man and besides jim didnt have know buisnes therit was his mom and the other person

the devils own

11-13-2005, 10:46 AM

no jim didn't say all that shit some people just hear and see what they want to and there was a lot of them there last night......

the devils own

11-13-2005, 10:48 AM

gearshifter05 it seems that both of us are telling it like it was and if the man who was hit want me I will tell it over and over THE WAY IT WAS...................

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 10:48 AM

he stepped getween them if they were nose to nose how did he step between them and the man did not trip he was pushed and he was not bullied the woman he was talking and jr did not asked to go to the stands repeatedly

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 10:49 AM

i will let him know thank you

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 10:50 AM

I said it before and I'll say it again..... If a man starts a arugement with my mom and doesn't walk away when asked then I would do the same as Jim Jr. did.

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 10:50 AM

she was the one who called the police and a off duty officer was in the crowd as well. I guess the legal dept will figure it all out. And it is a family owned business so Jim had every right to be be there, the bottom line is the man should have been more of a man and stayed out of bunny\'s face. when the track owner asks you to leave you should leave, i was scared to death these people were gonna start a riot so yes jim done what the other men around should have done. only a coward would get in a womans face and not back down all to defend a drunk from a few weeks ago.

the devils own

11-13-2005, 10:52 AM

cowboy one has to fight for his rights not fight to be right

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 10:52 AM

I agree with n2o4u

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 10:53 AM

nice to know it is a family own buisness

the devils own

11-13-2005, 10:54 AM

check with the 911 jim didn't call the police the mans brother did. and jims mom was saying not to call them.... Man get it right

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 10:54 AM

Devil.... sometimes you have to do what needs to be done whether it is right or wrong.

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 10:56 AM

ask yourself this..... If it was your mother would you defend for her??

the devils own

11-13-2005, 10:56 AM

cowboy that is what gets one in the mess that jim is going to be in soon not thinking. You drive and You know what to do and what not to do on the track well the same goes in life....

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 10:58 AM

Good point.

the devils own

11-13-2005, 10:59 AM

I have been in that situation before and I didn't do what jim did and I don't You would eighter not unless there was more of a threar then there was last night..

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 11:01 AM

true but I still think that if the group had not gotten around Bunny then everything would be alright today.

the devils own

11-13-2005, 11:05 AM

I have known them from the time they opened the track I don't have anything against them but what they did was wrong, and if mrs howe hadn't got in the face of the man it would not have happen just because own the track there are laws that You have to go by. You cant say I'm the owner and thas it the way it is ,,,,,,,,,

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 11:08 AM

true but morally as a man it was not right. There are different ways that the events of last night could have been avoided.

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 11:09 AM

some things that were said could have been said in better ways

the devils own

11-13-2005, 11:15 AM

cowboy I do agree with You on that thing could have and should have been handled better on both sides, But just being the owners does not make it right. They have to say what they did was bad bussiness and no good to any one,, and I wonder if they have even ask anyone about the man in the hospital at this time in surgery. when One ownes a bussiness one has to run it like a pro not some hot headed punk who hasn't even gotten laid and see it for the first tim,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, stay cool......

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by the devils own
I have known them from the time they opened the track I don\'t have anything against them but what they did was wrong, and if mrs howe hadn\'t got in the face of the man it would not have happen just because own the track there are laws that You have to go by. You cant say I\'m the owner and thas it the way it is ,,,,,,,,,

you must adhere to the rules of the track and ihra, and its privat property so the owner does have the final say. inside those gates after you sign the waiver when you come in, you are entering at your own risk, just like any event, concerts night clubs whatever you as a customer must foloow what you are told. i think those people where there to cause trouble and nothing more, since all they talked about was sueing the track and we all know they have a history of law suites just goes to show it only takes one bad apple(or group) to ruin a night, the officers there seen no problem with what was done, so why should anyone else. the man had no right to be in bunny\'s face after he was asked to calm down 3-4 times. but like i said its just some peoples nature.

the devils own

11-13-2005, 11:29 AM

When You sign the waiver You sign against thing related to the track not the owners son putting you in the hospital. But against tha cars or parts of the cars and You should know this..

so if You go over to buy gas and the owneds son thinks You are going to hurt his mom when You are not then I can out You or a child of Yours or a brother on the hospital and it's ok because they own the store. No Way

the devils own

11-13-2005, 11:32 AM

been nice and I will be back later. thanks for the info hope to do it again. stay cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by the devils own
what went wrong there last night whit Jim jr I hear He lost his cool.? We came there to see some racing and all we saw was the law more blue lights the at a street race. what up with that.

funny in your very first post you asked what happened then in later posts you say you were there and seen the whole thing, now which one was it? i say you are here only to start trouble and are probably one of the ones the cops escorted off the property, they didnt make jim jr leave. and you said yourself the law is the law, so why did they make you leave if you and your mob was so right in what you did. so really you were probably one of the ones who started the riot and now are fishing, maybe we will get lucky and someone caught you on tape being told to back down stranger things have happend. camera phones do record you kn ow

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 12:18 PM

My cam bettery was dead or I would have had it on tape.

TYRONE

11-13-2005, 01:00 PM

Well saw what happened. the people shouldnt have been in bunnys face yelling and pointing fingers at her. My god if he were any closer he would have bitten her. He was asked numerous times to back down and get out of her face and alot of people saw the same as i saw. he continued to yell at bunny not even agknowledging jr. i mean damn it was getting bad. i thought the man was about to strike bunny the way he looked. thats when jim jr her son stepped in and said hey get out of her face 4-5 times . he still didnt pay him no mind. finally he pushed him away. Nothing out of the ordinary that any son wouldnt do for his mom. muchless just being a women. It was his mom. I would have done the same.... and the reason the man even hit the ground is because he tripped over somones foot. Bad mouth him all you want but i was their and seen what happened and yes he is my friend but what he done was nothing that noone else wouldnt have done if their mother was in the same situation. and if you wouldnt their is somthing wrong with you..... Oh yea the mans son that got pushed also jumped out of the crowd of probally 20 people or more with a pocket knife waving it threatning to kill jr and cut his throat. So the mans son had a weapon on the premisis.

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 02:48 PM

you tell em' Tyrone

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 03:31 PM

both of you are blind
stop taking up for him and tell the truth
if he did not push him on purpose the why did he say when he pushed him does anybody else want some sounds to me like he ment to push him and he also knock down a 4yr old boy who was not running in and out of the crowed he was standing in front of his dad

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 03:43 PM

i don't feel sorry for the guy who got pushed down he should have walked away as he was asked... as for the little 4 yr old boy... where were his parents and why was he running around at a race track with cars going to staging..... duh hello!!

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 03:47 PM

can you not read he was standing in front of his dad when he got knocked down

Blue_gt

11-13-2005, 03:47 PM

Josh you know better than that shit you just told.A wepon give me a break why would you say something like that.What is funny is that from what i hear you was the only one that seen that.And if he was waveing around a knife you would think that as many people was around somebody else woud have seen that.This is my family ur talking about so just watch what you say about it.I think the situation should be droped on here honestly i mean it was a bad thing and could have been avoided.And trust me he didnt trip over anyones foot and break his hip as bad as what he did he was pushed very HARD.There was no threat to bunny just a heated disscussion was takeing place and jim jr lost his cool.N204u since you know so much why dont you just tell me who you are and we will discuss this matter.....Hot rod cowboy i would like to know who you are to i hate this net anymore you can get more disscussed in person or what ever but that litlle boy is my family to and listen his parents was right there jim just went out of cotrol and moved alot i would have to say the boys dad kept his cool perty good better than i would have beacouse we figured we would let the law take care of it but i guess we was wrong.

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 03:51 PM

and how was there cars going to staging when the track was shut down while the hole thing was taking place it seems to me you was not there or just turning around what really happened

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 04:21 PM

well since blue gt is the family of the man that got knocked down and we know what they are saying and since there is two sides to every story can we here what jimjr side is

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Blue_gt
Josh you know better than that shit you just told.A wepon give me a break why would you say something like that.What is funny is that from what i hear you was the only one that seen that.And if he was waveing around a knife you would think that as many people was around somebody else woud have seen that.This is my family ur talking about so just watch what you say about it.I think the situation should be droped on here honestly i mean it was a bad thing and could have been avoided.And trust me he didnt trip over anyones foot and break his hip as bad as what he did he was pushed very HARD.There was no threat to bunny just a heated disscussion was takeing place and jim jr lost his cool.N204u since you know so much why dont you just tell me who you are and we will discuss this matter.....Hot rod cowboy i would like to know who you are to i hate this net anymore you can get more disscussed in person or what ever but that litlle boy is my family to and listen his parents was right there jim just went out of cotrol and moved alot i would have to say the boys dad kept his cool perty good better than i would have beacouse we figured we would let the law take care of it but i guess we was wrong.

you dont need to know who any of us are, who is devil boy? you only want to know when its in your favor, are you and your family gonna threaten us?????? You people were in the wrong and \"YOU\" newcome were nowhere around, so you get real. And what did it mean you people would talk in person? sounds like a threeat to me. you will see all of us when the time comes. why did your family need to have a heated discussion with a woman? Are you people women abusers. you need to get real, the man tripped and thats that.

Blue_gt

11-13-2005, 04:26 PM

I never told my side of the story just saying letss drop it guys leave it to them let them handel it this shit really dont even need to be on here honestly.Np its not a threat and you know he didnt trip and you must not know me cause i was there right the as a mater of fact.Listen guys dont want to fight and argue lets just let them handle it.I ant spraking for my family just for me.

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 04:38 PM

if the man tripped how come when he pushed him he stepped back into the little boy and said anyone else want some:drunk:

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 05:06 PM

no problem blue_gt... consider it dropped. I was only voiceing my opinion... but you know that opinions are like a-holes every one has one.....lol. Sorry if I offenended anyone.

Murgatroy

11-13-2005, 05:12 PM

I was there last night. I heard there was gonna be some good racing and I have a penchant for Grudge Matches. I had a buddy of mine (Dustin) in from Kentucky and a friend I know who frequents this board told me where to head to see some good racing.

We got there around 3 EST and there were few cars there, were thought maybe we had got some bad information, but we had nothing better to do, so Dustin, my girlfriend and myself climbed up into the grandstands and sat down to watch some time trials. We had a good time and everything looked to be going well, there was a Duece that snapped it's driveshaft and a little later a Duster that busted his shifter. That was when the Chevelle that I had been eyeballing all day got out there and got a little slippery a quarter of the way down the track and slammed the guardrail. I went sick at my stomach. After about 20 minutes it got loaded back on the trailer and pulled off that track. The Chevelle was then pulled back over next to the trucks and almost everyone that was there by that point swarmed to it to see the damage. Dustin and I did as well. I was relieved to see it was fiberglass and not sheetmetal that had been mangled in the crash, the damage didn't appear to be that bad but you can never tell as hard as it hit.

As we were standing there, Dustin pulled his camera from his pocket and snapped a picture of it. That was when Doug ( I didn't know him from Adam ) came running at Dustin and demanded the picture be deleted. It was a tense moment and eventually someone got Doug to back off of Dustin and Dustin did delete the picture. My girlfriend at that piont decided it was time for us to leave, Dustin and I however were reluctant to go, we were waiting on some friends and we wanted to see some racing, after all, there had been nothing but hurt feelings to that point. That was when a fair share of shouting and screaming from a croud of ppl erupted not far from the area we had been standing. I don't know what happened, I don't know who started what, but the next thing I know, the driver of that sharp ass Malibu (Jim Jr I understand now) shoved some guy that had been screaming at the owner. It was all broken up rather fast and there were a horde of cop cars there in moments.

I came to understand that a crowd of folks had demanded a refund of thier money when they were asked to leave or something of the sort. I spoke with many of the ppl as they sought Dustin out and asked his side of the story. In the end a large group of ppl were asked to leave, and thankfully we weren't included.

In the end the racing went on, and we had a great time. Dustin even got an apology from Doug for the incident that occured earlier. He understood that after smashing his car into the wall it wasn't really anyone in particular that Doug was upset at, it was the circumstances.

We walked away from this with a good experience and would love to return to the track again. Dustin even chalked up a win against the Subaru with his Mom's Monte Carlo.

In the end, we are all enthusiasts that went there to watch some races, I am just sorry that it didn't end that way for some.

Blue_gt

11-13-2005, 05:13 PM

WOHA you got me wrong it ant offened anyone i was just saying lets watch what we say before it does.And just to clear it up that was not a threat to you josh just saying lets drop it bud before someone takes offence to it and more of this stupid shit happens ok.

the devils own

11-13-2005, 05:16 PM

at first I just wanted to know how many stories or lies would be told about last night and I never once said that I wasn't there I just ask what happen there.
and so one question can cause so big of an argument but i guess it had to be. There are some who saw what I saw and then there are those who saw what Jim jr saw. not saying I'm right but I have nothing in this at this time but the truth.
Some one gets pissed off because he was leaning on his car and in the pain of it all he hit the dam thing and the owner is GOING ot be on jim jrs side of it....... Man that's wrong. there are so many two faces people out there who say one thing and do another. or it depends on who they are with what happed.

Every one should get real no one is going to brake a hip just to sue bullshit...... And no one came there to start trouble but some don't like to see the little man get pushed atround by some one just because they own the track..........................

They should not let their sons race there if they can't control their temper better that that. what will happen next will they kill the next one to take a photo of a wrecked P.O.S. things have got to stop and the owners will be the ones hwo are responcible for their sons..... truth ..............stay cool

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 05:30 PM

this is my last post on this subject..... I hope I haven't offenended anyone. I was only trying to make a point that if it were my mother and someone was in her face and wouldn't walk away as asked then I would take mother's side just as her own son did. Sorry for stepping on anyone's toes. Hot Rod Cowboy.... OUT

the devils own

11-13-2005, 05:39 PM

cowboy the same goes for your mother that goes for the man. they were in each others face ,,.,, Now that is that they were trying to be heard over the croud. so they were in each others face............. she was in his face as mush he was in hers....

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-13-2005, 05:42 PM

Mrs. Howe isn't my mother sir. I was referring that if it were to happen to my own mother... sorry for the confusion. LAST POST

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 06:05 PM

badbu can you give us your side of whathappen theirs been 845people waiting for your side thank you

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 07:00 PM

a few hundred were there, and only about 50 who seen what happend including myself, badbu as well as about 30 people who gave the police statements last night that seen the same thing as me. maybe thats why the police did what they did. and for the record newcome you came up after the man and bunny were pushed apart not before and I will tell that to anyone who askes.
I was one of the last people the police questioned and two of the officers said my story was the same as everyone there, except the loud mouths who started it, so figure that out. i dont know how any of the step family would know what was happening since they were all ready to fight before jim jr even walked up. I am pretty sure the boy from knoxville will agree with that, as he already said. The steps even went as far as to say they would OWN this m-fer, so what does that sound like to you. from the women to the men in the step family they were the most foul mouthed angry people i have ever seen, and a fight was all they were looking for.

Blue_gt

11-13-2005, 07:09 PM

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha thats real funny if you had a copy of the police report you could count the statements on there.AND WHO THE LAST ONE WAS ON THERE??????

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 07:15 PM

well buddy necom was standing right behind me and i was their when they started arguing so are you saying that jim did not push him no one was looking for a fight just like everyone else wanted to see some racing justbecause someone gets mad about taming pic of his car what is the deal just a pic

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 07:18 PM

well buddy if you were there you would have known that Step and bunny howe were not arguing about the picture. just goes to show that you are a liar just like newcome. the argument that stepp pursued with ms howe had nothing to do with a picture and jim jr pushed his mother and stepp out of the way as he got between them, its unfortunate that he got hurt, but if he had only listened none of this would have happened.

Blue_gt

11-13-2005, 07:20 PM

What am i lieing about???????????refresh my memory

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 07:26 PM

well dick they were arguing about jjr done a burn out behind the tower awhile back and about 2 weeks ago chevy truck done it and got kicked out as for jr pushing him in the police report jr said he did push him and stepped back and said does anyone else want some so are you calling the police and jr liars

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 07:31 PM

to n2o4u cat get your tonge what kind of shit comes out of your fingertips buddddddy

Blue_gt

11-13-2005, 07:34 PM

Boys i am donew with it you guys can argue about it no hard feelings c-ya

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by gearshifter05
well dick they were arguing about jjr done a burn out behind the tower awhile back and about 2 weeks ago chevy truck done it and got kicked out as for jr pushing him in the police report jr said he did push him and stepped back and said does anyone else want some so are you calling the police and jr liars

arguing about who? jjr not jim jr, they wer arguing over something that happened weeks ago and that is true, and they were mad that a DRUNK one of there friends was kicked out, and i dont know what jim jr said in the police report but I doubt he said that. if you have the police report why not post it for all to see

gearshifted05 you are obviously one of the family members involved as is devilsown so you guys you are just here on the net to start trouble with the howe;s as you gearshifted 05 started on howe in your very first post here, and then at the track last night.
then devils own started his first post by asking what happened now says he was involved? that cat doesnt have my tongue bud, maybe you should get him to catch yours before it runs away.:drunk: how many drinks had you guys had before all that last night anyway. I heard a disturbance in the ER last night is on file too, a redneck outburst at the police maybe
does that cat have your tongue

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 08:15 PM

first off all dont know the guy that got kicked out for spinning tire just sitting in the stands by tower when it happen
second that is what he said i read report
third no one in that family drinks
and nobodys picking on poor jim one question why hasnt he said anything to defend himself semms to me he has all of u peons traind to do and say what he wants to read because he knows what he done was wrong

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 08:16 PM

if their was a problem at the hospitle last night it wasnt for us who told u that

The Enforcer

11-13-2005, 09:39 PM

Well , I was standing there from the start and heard everything . It boils down to which side of the fence you want to be on . The whole event was uncalled for by both sides . The Old man was running off at the mouth and demanding his money back , Bunny was screaming at him he was screaming at her , Then Jim asked the guy to calm down 3 times , And then he lost his cool and shoved the man as hard as he could and the man (all 190 pounds of him) went flying at least 5 feet backward through the air and then Jim yelled , (Whos next) . Then the man proceaded to do a fairly good acting job about how bad he was hurt (Not saying he wasn't , he just seemed to add lib a bit )
The man should have shut up and left when he was told to , period !!!
With that said , Jim should have NEVER put his hands on this guy , He was making no physical threats to Bunny and believe me Bunny Howe can handle anyone in an agruement ...
When your parents own a business you have to use your head better and not fly off the handle and play Billy Bad Ass . Jim should have just escorted this man to the gate and if he refused , Call the police and have him removed . But now he has more then likley casued his parents some type of legal action which is sad , Big Jim and Bunny are good people . Jim Jr is a loose cannon and is going to hurt someone bad someday ......

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by gearshifter05
first off all dont know the guy that got kicked out for spinning tire just sitting in the stands by tower when it happen
second that is what he said i read report
third no one in that family drinks
and nobodys picking on poor jim one question why hasnt he said anything to defend himself semms to me he has all of u peons traind to do and say what he wants to read because he knows what he done was wrong

why do you need his side of the story its the same as 75% of the people who were REALLY there. maybe he feels the same as I do, you came on here a month ago and started with him, of course your to big of a pussy to say who you are, then a month later at the track a family you are part of or involved with starts a RIOT at his parents track and he breaks up a confrontation between a full grown man and one of the track owners a woman(also his mother) you already have your mind made up as to what happend and you have heard from people not even jims friends on here what has happend but you still want him to give you and explaination? who the fuk are you? obviously not the man who is hurt, so why should anything you say or think matter? maybe after seeing how you people acted last night the last thing he wants is to argue on the net with you when you are not one of the people involved. And I just called the sherriffs dept and they said the report has not even been typed yet, I also am requesting a copy since I gave a statment. So yet another lie from you bud.
were you the chickenshit little bastard that tried to sneek up on jim when he was getting the situation calmed down, and pushed him, then grabbed the kid up and used a child as a human shield. which one are you
i do want to say that the statement who is next was made after the fat guy in camo pushed jr from behind when he was splitting bunny and the stepp guy up... so with that in mind why was this bunch circling the howe family if they had no bad intentions.

TYRONE

11-13-2005, 09:56 PM

Newcomb Im not fucking blind or deff ok. I saw what i saw. I know as well as 5-10 other the boy had a knife out and ill go up to him right now and ask him. i told him to put the knife up he didnt need to do that. if im lieing god strike me dead. know as for the argument what i said is completely true. the man should have not been trying to argue with another women like that. he brought it upon his self.....You are nothing but a smart ass who was no where around when this incident happened. 10-4

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by The Enforcer
Well , I was standing there from the start and heard everything . It boils down to which side of the fence you want to be on . The whole event was uncalled for by both sides . The Old man was running off at the mouth and demanding his money back , Bunny was screaming at him he was screaming at her , Then Jim asked the guy to calm down 3 times , And then he lost his cool and shoved the man as hard as he could and the man (all 190 pounds of him) went flying at least 5 feet backward through the air and then Jim yelled , (Whos next) . Then the man proceaded to do a fairly good acting job about how bad he was hurt (Not saying he wasn\'t , he just seemed to add lib a bit )
The man should have shut up and left when he was told to , period !!!
With that said , Jim should have NEVER put his hands on this guy , He was making no physical threats to Bunny and believe me Bunny Howe can handle anyone in an agruement ...
When your parents own a business you have to use your head better and not fly off the handle and play Billy Bad Ass . Jim should have just escorted this man to the gate and if he refused , Call the police and have him removed . But now he has more then likley casued his parents some type of legal action which is sad , Big Jim and Bunny are good people . Jim Jr is a loose cannon and is going to hurt someone bad someday ......

loose cannon? when was the last time you know of anything like this involoving jim howe jr? is a loose cannon a man who has the authority to tell a man to leave (like he did) and a man who gave another man sevral chances to back down only to the point that man would not even ackwoldge the fact that jim jr was talking to him as he was approaching bunny? jr stepped between them and the man had the chance to shut his mouth. If it were Jims intention to hurt the man, he would not have pushed him back he would have knocked the hell out of him. think about that.

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 10:04 PM

Jim jr and the Howe family we got your back, we know what happened and will make sure that everyone who was there will attest to it. Everyone who is willing to tell the truth that is.

RAPIDGT

11-13-2005, 10:08 PM

guys lets drop it!! this was a bad ordeal from the wreck to the altercation!! lets not fight over it and let it work its self out in whatever steps are taken!! its sad that someone got hurt for whatever reason!! i wasnt down there so i cant say he or she or it or that!! but next time if someone is unhappy for whatever reason give there $ back and save the hassle!! it wasnt worth it in this case!! just my opinion!

The Enforcer

11-13-2005, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by N2o4u
loose cannon? when was the last time you know of anything like this involoving jim howe jr? is a loose cannon a man who has the authority to tell a man to leave (like he did) and a man who gave another man sevral chances to back down only to the point that man would not even ackwoldge the fact that jim jr was talking to him as he was approaching bunny? jr stepped between them and the man had the chance to shut his mouth. If it were Jims intention to hurt the man, he would not have pushed him back he would have knocked the hell out of him. think about that.

You think what you think , I KNOW the Truth . Jim JR will beat the living shit out of anyone whenever he wants . I HAVE SEEN what he can do to someone . He has been in trouble for this kind of stuff before .... I know he could have done worse to the man but come on he was a 50 year old crippold man , all he had to do was walk him out the gate . Like I said before there is no one in the right here . Jim is your friend and you will stand behind him , thats great . but im not friends with anyone involved so I might see it with a differant eye then you .

the devils own

11-13-2005, 10:14 PM

women can cause a man more trouble he caN HANDLE SOMETINES. A woman should not argue with a man the way mrs howe was doing it. And the man was only saying that if You stop one from doing some thing then You have to stop every one from doing it even Your sons. Mrs did not act from the start of this as a bussiness person should have. By the things she did that should not have been done so that makes her as guilty as the man. And every one says that the man was told to shut op about three times who told mrs howe to shut up and not say any thing else it cut both ways You know. And the man was not acting his hip was broken and his family was not there to start any thing they paid to race just like every one else. and as for his acting I guess if You smash into something with You cars and say Your hurt every one can say NO HIS HEAD IS OVER THERE HE IS JUST ACTING..... One has to stand for the right side of things or U R no better then the one doing the wrong............stay cool

The Enforcer

11-13-2005, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by the devils own
women can cause a man more trouble he caN HANDLE SOMETINES. A woman should not argue with a man the way mrs howe was doing it. And the man was only saying that if You stop one from doing some thing then You have to stop every one from doing it even Your sons. Mrs did not act from the start of this as a bussiness person should have. By the things she did that should not have been done so that makes her as guilty as the man. And every one says that the man was told to shut op about three times who told mrs howe to shut up and not say any thing else it cut both ways You know. And the man was not acting his hip was broken and his family was not there to start any thing they paid to race just like every one else. and as for his acting I guess if You smash into something with You cars and say Your hurt every one can say NO HIS HEAD IS OVER THERE HE IS JUST ACTING..... One has to stand for the right side of things or U R no better then the one doing the wrong............stay cool
Well I just called it as I saw it . Weather she was in the right or in the wrong , That is HER TRACK . He was asked to leave and didn't . If he didn't agree with the way they run the track , don't come back ......:confused:
But Again , Jr didn't need to handle it that way !

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 10:23 PM

i agree with you enforcer
as for n2o4u aka a profrt boy the police report was printed out i do have a copy in my hand as for pushing him he knocked my 4 year old son on his ass and i pick him up to check on him and as for the police report their are only 8names on it as witness and if your name is on it tell me which one it is

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 10:24 PM

the woman is the owner of the business and has the final say.
so no the man had no right to get in her face and she had every right to give it back, and how was anyone treated different she had just made her son doug leave the premis, why?? for making a scene with a guy who took a photo of his wrecked car. and you know what, he did what he was told he left! your man should have done the same when she told the whole bunch to leave. but no the man who didnt seem very crippled when he was in mrs howe\'s face had to show his ass and be a big man and argue with
1. the authortive figure
2. a woman
jr was trying to keep the peace and did not want the people thrown out only wanted the guy to go back and sit down and most of all to back down.

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by gearshifter05
i agree with you enforcer
as for n2o4u aka a profrt boy the police report was printed out i do have a copy in my hand as for pushing him he knocked my 4 year old son on his ass and i pick him up to check on him and as for the police report their are only 8names on it as witness and if your name is on it tell me which one it is
I am no proffitt, you can bet on that.

and so you are the coward who snuck up on jim jr, and pushed him. then grabbed your son.
well here is a parenting tip for you, why in the hell would you have your little kid in the middle of something like that? Jim never knocked your son down, unless it was your 4 year old in Bunny\'s face. but we know who you are now. and you were one of the ones laughing about dougs car being wrecked, not too funny now is it.

TYRONE

11-13-2005, 10:29 PM

you shouldnt have had your son anywhere near the shit. but i agree with rapid gt drop it and lets get ready for the next race. sorry we couldnt race randall the nove had a burp.

the devils own

11-13-2005, 10:32 PM

Enforcer I agree with You it was handled wrong by jim and all I am saying is just because You own the track it doesn't give You the power to hurt others. not only a race track but any kind of bussiness. and the man was there to race I have seen his family htere many times and htey spend their money just like the rest of us. they have S10 s and they did race them at the track and loved doing it I heve spoken to them a few times about how they are building their trucks and they are nice people also' there is to much name calling here and some one will get hurt if it does stop. the name calling that is . people can disagree without name calling. we can talk about this and be civial about it. stay cool

N2o4u

11-13-2005, 10:39 PM

devilsown and gearshifted05

was the man and the crowd of people involved told to leave at anytime during this?

was the man asked repeatidly by jim howe jr to back down and get out of bunny howe\'s face?

you want civil lets just answer the question. you talk about people telling the truth can you?

RAPIDGT

11-13-2005, 10:40 PM

yeah! stuff happens out of our control like the first nite we raced!! think i showed a few that my car is just a lil quick! may still be slow compared to some but a lil quick to others!!! and my opinion is and as i said before i wasnt down there so, you dont laugh when someone wrecks!! you dont act like that at a place like that over a picture!! he shouldnt have got in a womens face but if he was unhappy with it he should have got his $ back and sent on his way!! and cause he didnt get sent on his way with his $ he is in the hospital with a broken hip and someone maybe or is in some trouble!! and over what? $10.00!! what a price for the pain and problems that came of it!!! not wanting to step on toes here!! has nothing to do with me but seems like it could have been avoided!!! THEN AGAIN THATS MY OPINION!!!

maverick

11-13-2005, 10:43 PM

yo rapid your car done good man way to hit those gears

RAPIDGT

11-13-2005, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by maverick
yo rapid your car done good man way to hit those gears thanks!! do i know you?? first nite at the track on slicks so i am happy!! with some tuning i may be able to go sum quicker!! hope i earned a lil respect for the slug!!

maverick

11-13-2005, 10:53 PM

i sold your dad a supercharged cougar 6 or 7 years ago from jamestown

RAPIDGT

11-13-2005, 10:58 PM

yeah! we spoke for a min. lastnite!! i am trying to get back into the gear shifting act again!! it has been a while since i have had to do it so i seem a lil slow now!!

maverick

11-13-2005, 11:01 PM

last night got me in the mood i need to bring something next time

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by N2o4u
I am no proffitt, you can bet on that.

and so you are the coward who snuck up on jim jr, and pushed him. then grabbed your son.
well here is a parenting tip for you, why in the hell would you have your little kid in the middle of something like that? Jim never knocked your son down, unless it was your 4 year old in Bunny\'s face. but we know who you are now. and you were one of the ones laughing about dougs car being wrecked, not too funny now is it.

no cowerd if your son got knock down you would do something about it i know i was wrong just protecting my son why he was up their because i was their yes again wrong but every one up their was wrong for standing their sorry about the proffit boy just figured he had the baddest camero in the land what is it 1badrat
:gaga:

TYRONE

11-13-2005, 11:32 PM

i think you are talking about my dad. his camaro is a show car not a drag car. he brings it out to play sometimes. But im his son i have a 64 deuce and a 87 luxery sport monte. the monte went 6.00s last night at 116. small tuneup.

the devils own

11-13-2005, 11:32 PM

no24u

1 they ask for their money back because they didn't want to race after doug did whathe did. and the fact that the boy with the photo and delete it. the bussiness way was togive the money back and it would have ended there.

2 no I did not hear jim jrsay all that not as many times as You say but if he did he should have told mrs howe the same.

3 yes she made doug leavebut only because of what doug did the the Young man who took the photo. She didn't want the law to be called after all three strikes and You are gone.

4 the way i saw it mrs howe was in no danger at alland you asa a man should know that things get laud but that doesn't mean there is danger there.

5 as a lot of people know the howe boys have hot heads and very short fusses and need to be kept under control.

Man get real and think about what You are saying. I am not saying tha what I say is gospel but I think about it before I say it and it has to sound right . all of us need to think about what we say before we say it,,,,,

Stay Cool.............................. :

the devils own

11-13-2005, 11:42 PM

gearshifter05
if some one hurt my son they would have to kill me U know being a dad. man this shit isn't right every one sees things that happened the way they want ... And I want to see the report if YOu can arange it. and if You know the crippled man hows he doing tell it right man or don't tell it at all. Yo dude I haven't been jail in about twenty years and have no desires to go back so I can understand mrs howe not wanting the law there. YOu should understand that also.

Hells hot sooooooooo stay cool

gearshifter05

11-13-2005, 11:52 PM

yea i will pm you later i dont know how to put it on here but we can find a place to meet when i saw him fall down i just freek and for that im sorry to you jim the fellow had surgry today and is still in the hospitil it broke his hip if it dont heal back right he will have to have a hip replacement and that wont be good with not being able to move his knee anyway it is going to be hard to recover from ive got to get off here got to go get my 4yr old out of the bar off them big titties

fastasyellow

11-14-2005, 12:05 PM

i was right beside jim jr on the left side to be exact. the argument was over about the picture of dougs car. then the gentalman that got pushed was saying that im not coming here agian and bunny asked "what is the problem here" and the man that got pushed said this is bull shit every time we come here someone gets yelled at and bunny said how is that and the man replied u got on to him for doing a burn out about 3 weeks ago and bunny said he was doing it in the wrong place."he was directly behind the tower" then the man got irate and raised his voice. then jim jr asked the man to step back and lower his voice the man did not reply to jim jr. so jim jr asked him 3 more times.(4 times in all) right before the last time jim asked him someone in the crowd said just quit showing ur ass to the man that was talkin to bunny and jim said back up before i show my ass. the man got a bit closer to bunny.that is when jim jr removed the man from his mothers face then i got in between jim jr and the crowd and jim got shoved from the back and the man that shoved him picked up his kid so that jim could not touch him. then the crowd that was in front of jim started yelling and fussing. yes jim did remove the man from his mothers face but if the man would of replied to jim and stepped back then this would not happened. i have been at the track every weekend this year and yes i do know every thing that has happened there in the last year

InitialD93

11-14-2005, 02:07 PM

Hey im the guy who took the picture... i most certainly was not laughing about the guy having the wreck... i was over by the entrance gate when i heard his car catch the guard rail and i ran back to the stands to see what had hapened. when i got there i asked my friends what was going on and they told me... we may have been laughing about something but it most certainly was not about him wrecking his car. we stood arround in the stands untill they brought the car back to the pits where i walked over and took the picture...

He did appologize for getting in my face and i said it was cool and no hard feelings because it probably was bad timing... it just sucks that all of this started because i took a picture.

fastasyellow

11-14-2005, 02:08 PM

thats big of u to say that im glad the truth finall comes out thanks man

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 03:33 PM

initiald...... good to see you are a good sport. Sorry about Doug, he is my friend and I will have to agree with you it was all just bad timing. Glad to see you score a win while you were with us.

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 09:46 PM

Initiald93.. Hey dude I'm the one who spoke to You at the track and good to see U on here, no hard feelings I hope. it was my bro who got his hip broken. he is O.K he came through the sugery fine. For all who didn't care to ask. And for the record on one was there to start trouble we raced there almost every weekend and with no trouble at all. and no one was acting as some have said. now what ever happens happens we have some time be4 next year to get things right hopefully on the track....

Thanks Jim Stepp

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 09:56 PM

Jim... glad to hear that your brother is doing fine.

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 10:06 PM

thanks Hot Rod, We love racing and I was doing it on the streets 27 years ago. and his two boys are into it they race their 4wheelers and bikes and we have 2 s10 s we race or did race now I don't know but i hope we race more. His son drove my s10 not real fast but in the works. and I will tell Him You said the best to him in geting well.

James stepp

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 10:08 PM

I also have 1 in the works.

BADBU

11-14-2005, 10:12 PM

And for the record I am glad he is doing well also, I have followed it since saturday night. It was unfortunate and we are all glad he is doing better.

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 10:12 PM

time and lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

the time I hope I have a lot of that because the $$$$$$$ I fall a little short. LOL

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 10:13 PM

me too been in primer for 2 years.

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 10:17 PM

JIm I have known You a long time and drank beer with You and You know it was not planed as some have said and he was not acting as some have said ,,, and I will tell him what U said. But I thunk U should do it your self it would sound better coming from U ....

Think about this a saints football cap from a rfew years ago.

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 10:21 PM

Hot Rod or cowboy.
I have been working on ours all year long we work on them take them down and see what they will do and work on them some more. if You no what I mean.LOL

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 10:30 PM

been there done that

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 10:50 PM

this past weekend would have been the first with both s10 one on the jug and one not. we wanted to run them togather but shit happens don't it.? but next year even if we have to go some place else to do it, it will be done. we are small fish in a big pond but we love the race the sound the feel of the power and the speed. when we can get it LOL

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 10:53 PM

yeah I haven't had the chance to use the jug either at the track only on the street taking my friends for rides and having them almost pee their pants.

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 11:02 PM

I have read every thing on this and there is some talk about being a coward but who is keeping their names secret

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 11:05 PM

Cowboy I am new at this. My isn't on the jug but my nephews is my is blue and his is black. We didn't get to juice it but we will.

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 11:05 PM

i have no idea jim.... it is an A and B conversation and I am gonna keep my C out of it.

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 11:07 PM

I have the jug but not got to try it at the track.... can't wait though.

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 11:10 PM

some times I wish it was the old days where it was mark a quarter mile and race not not worry about 5O beibg called out.

that was fun. in the spring we will have things right I hope.

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 11:12 PM

yep it costs alot now if 5o catches you. You get the license pulled, a big a** ticket, and the car impounded.

Jim Stepp

11-14-2005, 11:13 PM

cowboy

Been nice talking to U, I didn't know if anyone would or not after every thing that happened. I have read what U have said and thanks for being stright up. Later dudes

Hot Rod Cowboy

11-14-2005, 11:14 PM

good evening to you also Mr. Jim. I am gone to bed also. Night all

InitialD93

11-14-2005, 11:32 PM

Yeah i had a good time and saw some very impressive cars... im an import guy at heart but i got alot of respect for what you guys are producing down there.

that black Malibu is the absolute shit.... need to get some wheelie bars on there so the front tires can see some more of the track:D

BTW what happened on that run against the truck when you backed back to the pits?

Ill be back down in April i think and ill bring my real car next time... so maybe ill show u guys what i been workin on here in the KY... mom's Monte just isnt cutting it:rolleyes:

here's a little peek of the project car
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/initiald93/DSC01988.jpg

and the daily driver
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/initiald93/car1.jpg