NX/HVH Super Sucker Plate

[ProStreetZ28]

When I got home last night my new plate had come in. I got a NX/HVH Super Sucker plate. The HVH Super Sucker spacer plate by it self is a really nice piece, but when you add a 300HP set of NX spray bars it becomes great. I don't believe everything I read, but a Car Craft article says that it is worth 37 HP over a Big Shot Plate with the same jetting, I wanted to find out for myself. When the car is together I'm gonna take both of them to the dyno and run them side-by-side and see. They said the 37 HP mainly came from the improved airflow of the HVH Super Sucker spacer plate. Does anyone have one of these?

[a408swinger]

Hey Jeff, Post a couple pics. Id like to see what it looks like.

[ProStreetZ28]

Here's a pic

[Tennessee Auto]

Hey, how much was the little puppy, I need one? BTW... If you still need that Z28 part we talked about, you better get yo' butt up here. The scrap guys are coming next week.

Scott

[Redbull]

Originally posted by ProStreetZ28
When I got home last night my new plate had come in. I got a NX/HVH Super Sucker plate. The HVH Super Sucker spacer plate by it self is a really nice piece, but when you add a 300HP set of NX spray bars it becomes great. I don't believe everything I read, but a Car Craft article says that it is worth 37 HP over a Big Shot Plate with the same jetting, I wanted to find out for myself. When the car is together I'm gonna take both of them to the dyno and run them side-by-side and see. They said the 37 HP mainly came from the improved airflow of the HVH Super Sucker spacer plate. Does anyone have one of these? I cant see 16 holes out flowing 64,not to mention even distrobution,that will be an interresting test,let us know.

[ProStreetZ28]

Originally posted by Redbull
I cant see 16 holes out flowing 64,not to mention even distrobution,that will be an interresting test,let us know.
That's why I bought the Big Shot plate originally, but all of the Gemini Twin plates and Shark Nozzle systems I installed and tuned made great power. This is a 300HP version, at 300 16 holes will be fine. If my POS engine will take it I'll run it against the Gemini Twin version and larger solenoids I'm getting in a few weeks at a larger number, peronally I don't my garage built little 383 will take that much. We refer to it as a science experiment, an engine with KB pistons, the most I've put to those is a 250 hit, we know it'll grenade it's just when?

Scott-I'll call you today and let you know what it cost, I'm out of town till next week but I really need that part.

[LETZ RUN]

have you ever litup a bigshot plate off the car? to see how it attomizes? shit half of the 64 holes freeze shut and it spitters and spatters. do it with the new plate and watch how a cloud just appears. the distribution is better with 16 holes because they point right towards the runners. try them off the car, and try them on an intake on a bench, and you'll DEFINATELY notice the difference.

[a408swinger]

Originally posted by LETZ RUN
have you ever litup a bigshot plate off the car? to see how it attomizes? shit half of the 64 holes freeze shut and it spitters and spatters. do it with the new plate and watch how a cloud just appears. the distribution is better with 16 holes because they point right towards the runners. try them off the car, and try them on an intake on a bench, and you'll DEFINATELY notice the difference.

I can show you how 16 holes on an NX plate works on a Chrysler intake.

[a408swinger]

Also, that was with their recomended flowing fuel pressures and a 500 gph pump with inividual regulators for motor and each stage of nitrous and 1 extra degree of timing retard just to be "SAFE". That was my first try with both stages and it was only a total of 250hp. 100 on the first stage and 150 on the 2nd. I went above and beyond to make sure I had everything they called for and tripple checked everything before trying it. If I did something wrong I'd like to know what it was. :confused: I think its just an issue with my intake design and thier plate design not getting along. I know people with Chevys and Fords who really like them and have had good luck with them. But I think Im gonna go in a different direction. This was a brand new motor. Maybe 15 passes on it.:mad:

[LETZ RUN]

was that a dual spray bar setup or a single spray bar? ive actually never put a plate on mopar to be honest with you. was it a distribution problem or a tune problem? was that the only one? how do the others look? have you ran the 2 stages individually/ how did they run? are you using high pressure tune or low pressure? im intrested to find out what actually happened. this kind of stuff intrigues me.

also what kinda bsfc were you running?

[a408swinger]

Originally posted by LETZ RUN
was that a dual spray bar setup or a single spray bar? ive actually never put a plate on mopar to be honest with you. was it a distribution problem or a tune problem? was that the only one? how do the others look? have you ran the 2 stages individually/ how did they run? are you using high pressure tune or low pressure? im intrested to find out what actually happened. this kind of stuff intrigues me.

also what kinda bsfc were you running?

It was their new "Spraybarless dual stage plate" It got the 2 middle pistons on the passenger side bank ( #4 & #6 ). The first stage comes out of the sides of the plate and the second one comes out of the middle. I did try the first stage by itself and it seemed to be ok, but after I watched a video of that pass it seemed to be smoking a little at the end of the pass. On my second attempt I tried to bring in the second stage about half track and as soon as it hit it nosed over and I knew what happend by the smoke in the rear view mirror. I was running the reccomended pressure. They call for 8-10 psi and I started of with 9 3/4 to be safe. I have a return style 500 gph pump and I set the pressure flowing with a flow guage. All the plugs looked perfect (Slightly tan) except for those 2 cylinders. The only thing I can come up with is that its my intake design. I took an extra degree of timing out just to be on the safe side also. They call for 1* for every 50 hp so that would be 5* for a 250. I took out 7*. I was trying to make a safe pass and tune it from there but I never got the chance!

[LETZ RUN]

ahh that sucks man, sorry to hear that. ive seen those new spraybarless things, but idunno bout em yet. im kinda skeptical on new stuff until i see how it works.. this is gonna make me even more skeptical.. ill stick to a single spray bar (for each), regular plate, or some nozzles. again sorry to hear about the damage, your cars are up there as probably my favorite on this site, except for plowboys.

[Nosfedgta]

tom,

you only have one pump??? I know you said its a big pump but its only one right ??? when you flowed the nos did you flow it while flowing the line off your carb at the same time? ??? let me know.

[Redbull]

Originally posted by LETZ RUN
have you ever litup a bigshot plate off the car? to see how it attomizes? shit half of the 64 holes freeze shut and it spitters and spatters. do it with the new plate and watch how a cloud just appears. the distribution is better with 16 holes because they point right towards the runners. try them off the car, and try them on an intake on a bench, and you'll DEFINATELY notice the difference. Yea,but you forgot to include 1 major componet,engine draw,how long did you spray the nitrous when you done your test?

[a408swinger]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
tom,

you only have one pump??? I know you said its a big pump but its only one right ??? when you flowed the nos did you flow it while flowing the line off your carb at the same time? ??? let me know.

Drew, I have 3 separate regulators. I flowed both jets at the same time while the car was running so it was getting fuel to the carb too. The pump is a 500+ gph pump. Its so big that while flowing the first stage into a gas can when I hit the 2nd stage and looked at the guage it did'nt even move. One large pump is what they reccomended to me, and thats what it reccomends in the instructions. Its good to 6.99 or quicker in the 1/4. I went overkill on everything on the fuel system to make sure I didnt go lean. I started off with 9 3/4 flowing to be safe and I took out 2 extra degrees of timing as well.:confused: I think Im going to a fogger.

[CPC]

that exotic shit is usally just that!!! keep it simple and it will work... but i think a dual stage plate is always a bad idea!!!... in my humble opinion nos and nitrous works are the only stuff that works consistantlly right everytime..... tom one 500gph pump is enough for your car.... two fuel pumps is not the fix..... and a over 9 psi flowing it should have fell on it's nose... how much total timing did you have in it with both kits on and are you using some type of retard or are you taking it out manually?.. if youy are planning on running over 250hp just put a fogger on it....davidcpc

[LETZ RUN]

Originally posted by Redbull
Yea,but you forgot to include 1 major componet,engine draw,how long did you spray the nitrous when you done your test?

just like 3-5 seconds.. cant make the garage one big mushroom cloud, it was already pretty close, lol. i do not reccomend it. its not a real world test anyways, flowing the kit would be a lot better. it was just some idea i had sometime on seeing what happens inside of a plenum lol.

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by CPC
that exotic shit is usally just that!!! keep it simple and it will work... but i think a dual stage plate is always a bad idea!!!... in my humble opinion nos and nitrous works are the only stuff that works consistantlly right everytime..... tom one 500gph pump is enough for your car.... two fuel pumps is not the fix..... and a over 9 psi flowing it should have fell on it's nose... how much total timing did you have in it with both kits on and are you using some type of retard or are you taking it out manually?.. if youy are planning on running over 250hp just put a fogger on it....davidcpc


umm 9 psi and fall on its nose????? stick with nos and nw... nx runs a totaly diff kind of fuel pressure for their setups......

[CPC]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
umm 9 psi and fall on its nose????? stick with nos and nw... nx runs a totaly diff kind of fuel pressure for their setups......

yeah i will stick to the sensible stuff not that nx junk..... nos and nw are the best.... well except for speedtech...

[CPC]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
tom,

you only have one pump??? I know you said its a big pump but its only one right ??? when you flowed the nos did you flow it while flowing the line off your carb at the same time? ??? let me know.

why would you want to flow it with the line off the carb? the carb does have a needle and seat that closes when the bowl is full...

[a408swinger]

Originally posted by CPC
that exotic shit is usally just that!!! keep it simple and it will work... but i think a dual stage plate is always a bad idea!!!... in my humble opinion nos and nitrous works are the only stuff that works consistantlly right everytime..... tom one 500gph pump is enough for your car.... two fuel pumps is not the fix..... and a over 9 psi flowing it should have fell on it's nose... how much total timing did you have in it with both kits on and are you using some type of retard or are you taking it out manually?.. if youy are planning on running over 250hp just put a fogger on it....davidcpc

David, I had a total of 29* timing. I take out the first 3* with a timing retard inside the car (Ive checked it to make sure it was correct). The Second stage I take out 4* with my MSD Digital 6 box. NX calls for 1* of retard for every 50 hp so I only needed to take out 5* for a 250 and I took out 7* to be safe. Ive never had the first problem with my Nitrous Works plate, but in all fairness this is a different intake, and Ive never tried the Nitrous Works plate on it. Im planing to get a conversion kit from NX and go to a fogger set up. I may still use a big shot plate or a Wilson manifold plate for my first stage. NX does call for 8-10 psi of fuel pressure. They use a smaller jet with more pressure. I started off with 9 3/4 just to be on the safe side as a starting point but thats as far as I got. Im sure the NX plate works great on Fords and Chevy's but It seems to have problems on my intake. It also seemed strange to have the 2 middle pistons on the same side of the motor burn simutaneously.:confused: All the others looked fine.

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by CPC
why would you want to flow it with the line off the carb? the carb does have a needle and seat that closes when the bowl is full...

when running 1 pump for a motor and 2 stages of juice you need to flow it all. you have fuel demand on all things right? well when you activate 1 stage it calls for a demand on fuel, then the second stage does the same. If you are not flowing the fuel to the carb as well you odnt get the right reading. I have seen this before. We flowed a car with 2 stages. He had a bg 400 pump. I told him to check it with all three and guess what??? there was fp drop when he did the nos and the carb....... remember at wot their is fuel demand.........

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by CPC
yeah i will stick to the sensible stuff not that nx junk..... nos and nw are the best.... well except for speedtech...

hate to tell ya this but nx is far superior to nos and nw... their parts, warranty, and the power they make. I made more power with an nx plate than I did an nos plate and a tnt plate. so have many people I know.... lifetime warranty on solenoids also

[LETZ RUN]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
hate to tell ya this but nx is far superior to nos and nw... their parts, warranty, and the power they make. I made more power with an nx plate than I did an nos plate and a tnt plate. so have many people I know.... lifetime warranty on solenoids also

i definatly agree with him that nx is the way to go. i also agree with flowing the kit for 2 stages and motor on the same pump.

[CPC]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
hate to tell ya this but nx is far superior to nos and nw... their parts, warranty, and the power they make. I made more power with an nx plate than I did an nos plate and a tnt plate. so have many people I know.... lifetime warranty on solenoids also

yeah your the expert:rolleyes:

[378Dart]

I would like to know what the end gap on the rings was set at and also what you were running for gas?

[a408swinger]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
when running 1 pump for a motor and 2 stages of juice you need to flow it all. you have fuel demand on all things right? well when you activate 1 stage it calls for a demand on fuel, then the second stage does the same. If you are not flowing the fuel to the carb as well you odnt get the right reading. I have seen this before. We flowed a car with 2 stages. He had a bg 400 pump. I told him to check it with all three and guess what??? there was fp drop when he did the nos and the carb....... remember at wot their is fuel demand.........

Drew, I know what your saying. Thats absolutely true. I had the motor running with the rpm's up while I flowed the 2 systems and set the flowing pressure. My pump puts out over 500 GPH. According to NX that will support vehicles going 6.99 and quicker in the 1/4 mile. The pump is more than enough for what Im running (250 total, 100 + 150) When I flowed one system with the engine running and then I opend the other system the pressure did'nt even flinch. Ive got a -12 feed to the pump and a -10 going to the fuel log up front. Im even running a .015 bleed with a return back to the cell so I can monitor an accurate fuel pressure on each of the regulators for the nitrous without any pressure creep. I tripple checked everything on the system before I tried it. I even Called NX to verify I had everything set up the way they reccomended before I went to Carolina. Im convinced its the plate design combined with the intake design. Why would it burn the 2 middle pistons (#4 & 6) on the same side? All the other cylinders looked perfect inclucing #3 & 5 on the other side of the motor. All the plugs looked good as well. It didnt even tip a plug. On the video of the runs you can see where the car started to smoke near the end of the first pass and that was just 100 hp on that 5.97 pass. I pulled out all the plugs after that pass and they all looked perfect. Then I put in a brand new set so I could read how it was running on the 2 stages together but It melted the pistons as soon as I hit the second stage.:confused: I dont know what else I could have done differently. Im not knocking NX, I just dont think that particular plate design will work on my intake. I think Im gonna go to a fogger.

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by CPC
yeah your the expert:rolleyes:

not an expert just a dealer for nx and a person that learns about more than just one kind of nos setup.........

[a408swinger]

Originally posted by 378Dart
I would like to know what the end gap on the rings was set at and also what you were running for gas?

.028 on the top and second ring on a set of Hellfire rings. Thats what was reccomended for the bore diameter in a nitrous application. I was running 114+ octane fuel. NX said that 110 would be more than enough for my motor with a 250. I used to run 110 on a 175 shot and never had a single problem. On the video you can see where it started smoking a piston on the first nitrous pass and that was only 100hp shot. When we dynoed my motor at Prospeed we left it just a little rich on the motor just to be safe when I turned the bottle on. I run a 125 on the Scamp with 93 octane and never had any problems.

[LETZ RUN]

i am leaning more towards this being an intake design issues, with the wrong plate then the tuneup. isnt that what you said from the beginning swinger?

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by a408swinger
Drew, I know what your saying. Thats absolutely true. I had the motor running with the rpm's up while I flowed the 2 systems and set the flowing pressure. My pump puts out over 500 GPH. According to NX that will support vehicles going 6.99 and quicker in the 1/4 mile. The pump is more than enough for what Im running (250 total, 100 + 150) When I flowed one system with the engine running and then I opend the other system the pressure did'nt even flinch. Ive got a -12 feed to the pump and a -10 going to the fuel log up front. Im even running a .015 bleed with a return back to the cell so I can monitor an accurate fuel pressure on each of the regulators for the nitrous without any pressure creep. I tripple checked everything on the system before I tried it. I even Called NX to verify I had everything set up the way they reccomended before I went to Carolina. Im convinced its the plate design combined with the intake design. Why would it burn the 2 middle pistons (#4 & 6) on the same side? All the other cylinders looked perfect inclucing #3 & 5 on the other side of the motor. All the plugs looked good as well. It didnt even tip a plug. On the video of the runs you can see where the car started to smoke near the end of the first pass and that was just 100 hp on that 5.97 pass. I pulled out all the plugs after that pass and they all looked perfect. Then I put in a brand new set so I could read how it was running on the 2 stages together but It melted the pistons as soon as I hit the second stage.:confused: I dont know what else I could have done differently. Im not knocking NX, I just dont think that particular plate design will work on my intake. I think Im gonna go to a fogger.

I know tom. I was just trying to figuire out what could have went wrong. I just hate when I am trying to help out someone and we get a know it all on here cant even run in the 5's unless he is at a certain track........ It seems that you had all your stuff covered and something happened anyway. I hope you get it all worked out. if I can help you with anything let me know

[CPC]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
I know tom. I was just trying to figuire out what could have went wrong. I just hate when I am trying to help out someone and we get a know it all on here cant even run in the 5's unless he is at a certain track........ It seems that you had all your stuff covered and something happened anyway. I hope you get it all worked out. if I can help you with anything let me know

at one track? we went 5.88 at dallas 3 years ago with a 347" street car... and we went 5.54 at huntsville with the turbo combo.... have you ever been that fast mr. nx dealer?.... and you have barely ever run 5's.... :rolleyes: davidcpc

[a408swinger]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
I know tom. I was just trying to figuire out what could have went wrong. I just hate when I am trying to help out someone and we get a know it all on here cant even run in the 5's unless he is at a certain track........ It seems that you had all your stuff covered and something happened anyway. I hope you get it all worked out. if I can help you with anything let me know

Can you see if you can get me a partial credit for the plate I have now for a fogger set up. NX makes an add on kit to change from the plate system to a fogger. Maybe with all the trouble Ive had they will give me a credit for the plate towards the nozzle kit. The kit I need is the STD conversion kit- NX-800. The first plate they sent the fittings were hanging below the bottom of the plate and it would'nt sit flat on the intake. Then they said that they never used that kit on a Chrylser intake and they sent me 2 gaskets along with a new plate, to space it up high enough to be able to remove the jets for a jet change. Then I had the Catastrophic failure the first time I tried to use both stages. This was after I spent a lot of time and money to get the kit professionaly installed and a huge fuel system upgrade. Any help you can give would be greatly appriciated. I now have to get my block (Which was a brand new R-3 race block) sleeved and get a new set of custom pistons and rings. The pistons and rings alone will be over $1,000.00 not including any machine work or balancing. Im gonna have to get some new head gaskets as well. Maybe they will be willing to help me out since I was kind of a gunnea pig for them with that plate on a chrysler intake. Let me know what you can do.

[Dragracer1971]

I heard about this post from a good friend of mine (LETZ RUN) and want to make a few comments as NX being one of the Nitrous products that i carry and use on my personal vehicles and vehicles i sponcer.

a408swinger what do u want for the NX HVH Super Sucker plate? I have two that i demo to customers before they would even buy one for their application and would like to see you as a happy Nitrous customer. I'm not trying to step on anyone else's toes, just possibly offering to buy it from you and get you what you need / want.

Nosfedgta if i can be of any help to you with this potential problem, please let me know. This is from one NX dealer to another.

Now for my few comments. Tom i'm not trying to take your business away from anyone else, but i hate to see any unhappy NX customer. If Nosfedgta can't help you out, i'll be glad to try to.

PS...there is a 318 Mopar truck that i sponcer and he uses the old style GT PP plate with two bars on each side and have never had any problems. I can give you 100% of his motor details if needed. 12.60's on motor, 11.30's on 100 shot, 10.80's on 200 shot. The tune was a lil fat on the 100 HP and more fat on the 200 HP. We were proving a point (and winning a few $$$) that hypernu"cracktic" pistons could hold 200 HP of Nitrous and stay together.

PSS... CPC why are you hating on NX and / or NX dealers? He was just trying to help Tom out and it seems like you were. Just curious?

PSS.. If anyone wants to reach me for comments / questions, i can be reached at 985-860-0220.

James Burnthorne, Jr. Owner and Tuner of Louisiana Performance

[CPC]

Originally posted by Dragracer1971
I heard about this post from a good friend of mine (LETZ RUN) and want to make a few comments as NX being one of the Nitrous products that i carry and use on my personal vehicles and vehicles i sponcer.

a408swinger what do u want for the NX HVH Super Sucker plate? I have two that i demo to customers before they would even buy one for their application and would like to see you as a happy Nitrous customer. I'm not trying to step on anyone else's toes, just possibly offering to buy it from you and get you what you need / want.

Nosfedgta if i can be of any help to you with this potential problem, please let me know. This is from one NX dealer to another.

Now for my few comments. Tom i'm not trying to take your business away from anyone else, but i hate to see any unhappy NX customer. If Nosfedgta can't help you out, i'll be glad to try to.

PS...there is a 318 Mopar truck that i sponcer and he uses the old style GT PP plate with two bars on each side and have never had any problems. I can give you 100% of his motor details if needed. 12.60's on motor, 11.30's on 100 shot, 10.80's on 200 shot. The tune was a lil fat on the 100 HP and more fat on the 200 HP. We were proving a point (and winning a few $$$) that hypernu"cracktic" pistons could hold 200 HP of Nitrous and stay together.

PSS... CPC why are you hating on NX and / or NX dealers? He was just trying to help Tom out and it seems like you were. Just curious?

PSS.. If anyone wants to reach me for comments / questions, i can be reached at 985-860-0220.

James Burnthorne, Jr. Owner and Tuner of Louisiana Performance

i am not "hating" on nx as you say.... in my opinion their stuff is not as good as nos or n/w which we are a dealer for.... swinger was having a problem and i was trying to help and nosfedgta got his panties all in a knot.... davidcpc

[Dragracer1971]

David i was just asking, not making assumtions. I'm a NX dealer ( for 4 + years)among a few others and don't say that one Nitrous company is better than the other. Each Nitrous company should have something that is unique to the Nitrous world, but not all products are. Nitrous is Nitrous, that will never change and it's the supplier of their products that needs to make sure his end user is 100 % knowlegeable about how to use thier products BEFORE he lets them use it.

Let's both concentrate on helping Tom out with his past problem(s) and move on. And the answer isn't that NX's stuff is crap (just because that's what was on his motor when he hurt it), sell it and buy what we have. You will never hear me say that my products are superior over any others, but you will hear me say that i know how to tune what i sell and i'll let you know if it will work with your particular application or not.

I'm not a NOS or Nitrous Works dealer, but have used something from them at one time or another in the past. If they come out with new technology, i would love to test it out at one time or another also.

We race over hear in this area and let the ET's, MPH's and happy customers (hopefully....lol) do the talking and this isn't referred at you or your company. I respect what others work for and accomplish, so, please don't take any of what i have said the wrong way. We just may be in the same lane one of these days..... :o)

I listed my # in the above post if i can ever be of any help to you or your company. Happy racing and may 06 be a record year for you and your customers.

Here is a little video of a car that i sponcer with NX Nitrous parts, I hope you enjoy it. http://racepics.net/videos/james/PizzaJoeBurnOut.wmv

[chevyII]

.......Did you check the plate after the problem? I was just curious if you might have had something obstruct one or more of the fuel holes on the plate. As meticulous as you are I know you didn't use teflon tape on the fittings but a small piece of the liquid sealer could have the same effect once it dried. This might explain why it was two ajoining cylinders.

By the way, Iam not a dealer of anything, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


(I bought the edelbrock nitrous system because it was purty!)

[Dragracer1971]

So chevyII was that you in room 666 next to me in 664???

[coupe performance]

Originally posted by Dragracer1971
David i was just asking, not making assumtions. I'm a NX dealer ( for 4 + years)among a few others and don't say that one Nitrous company is better than the other. Each Nitrous company should have something that is unique to the Nitrous world, but not all products are. Nitrous is Nitrous, that will never change and it's the supplier of their products that needs to make sure his end user is 100 % knowlegeable about how to use thier products BEFORE he lets them use it.

Let's both concentrate on helping Tom out with his past problem(s) and move on. And the answer isn't that NX's stuff is crap (just because that's what was on his motor when he hurt it), sell it and buy what we have. You will never hear me say that my products are superior over any others, but you will hear me say that i know how to tune what i sell and i'll let you know if it will work with your particular application or not.

I'm not a NOS or Nitrous Works dealer, but have used something from them at one time or another in the past. If they come out with new technology, i would love to test it out at one time or another also.

We race over hear in this area and let the ET's, MPH's and happy customers (hopefully....lol) do the talking and this isn't referred at you or your company. I respect what others work for and accomplish, so, please don't take any of what i have said the wrong way. We just may be in the same lane one of these days..... :o)

I listed my # in the above post if i can ever be of any help to you or your company. Happy racing and may 06 be a record year for you and your customers.

Here is a little video of a car that i sponcer with NX Nitrous parts, I hope you enjoy it. http://racepics.net/videos/james/PizzaJoeBurnOut.wmv

You sound like a fair guy, so I'll tell you my experience with NX. I WAS a dealer for them about 4 years ago. I bought several EFI plates that they offered and installed them on various cars...one was a Renegade car(when renegade had rules:rolleyes: ). Anyways, EVERY plate would burn cylinders on 1 and 5 and be richer towarrds the rear. I talked to NX and they said "we have'nt had any problems". So, I figured I must've done something wrong, or something was causing it to burn pistons(at this piont we had put 3 sets in the renegade car). We jacked the fuel pressure and headed to Bradenton for SBS. 1st pass, burnt pistons AGAIN. So I took the plate off the car and activated it in the open and by the time the fuel reached the front cylinders it was a TRICKLE:eek: . Now I called NX and told them what happened and what I found, and they got intrested in taking some information AT MY EXPENSE!! I built a Flow bench to flow thses type of plates that they had sent me and most were off of fuel flow by as much as 50% at the foremost runners. I got my pin-vise out and went to work on 'em and got 'em right after a few hours of drilling. Now here's where I'm going....I let my dealership go cause they let ME be the guinea pig, they wanted to know what all I did to fix the problem......and they did NOT want to buy any pistons in exchnage for a lot of R&D on my dime.
Not all there products are bad...I've had some others that have worked great and seen others at the track that work great. BUT I'm not gonna be another guinea pig for the "latest and greatest". Again, not trying to step on toes...just my .02 cents.-
Scott.

P.S. for now....I'm sticking with my 3 stage Bigshot plate.:D

[Gone In 5 Seconds]

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. So I'm not gonna give mine. However, I will say that it is usually best to stick to what you know, rather than experimenting. Let other people do that for you. Use what you know works.

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by CPC
at one track? we went 5.88 at dallas 3 years ago with a 347" street car... and we went 5.54 at huntsville with the turbo combo.... have you ever been that fast mr. nx dealer?.... and you have barely ever run 5's.... :rolleyes: davidcpc

where is huntsville??? and what does your car weigh? I am a mid 5 car?? no.. does my car weigh 3400lbs??? yes, and I have been 121 mph in the 1/8th with that much weight...... and barely ever?? my car has run in the 5's everytime I have been to the track with it since I got my combo dialed in. It was also at many diif tracks including Eatonton, twiggs,silverdollar, and commerce.

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by a408swinger
Can you see if you can get me a partial credit for the plate I have now for a fogger set up. NX makes an add on kit to change from the plate system to a fogger. Maybe with all the trouble Ive had they will give me a credit for the plate towards the nozzle kit. The kit I need is the STD conversion kit- NX-800. The first plate they sent the fittings were hanging below the bottom of the plate and it would'nt sit flat on the intake. Then they said that they never used that kit on a Chrylser intake and they sent me 2 gaskets along with a new plate, to space it up high enough to be able to remove the jets for a jet change. Then I had the Catastrophic failure the first time I tried to use both stages. This was after I spent a lot of time and money to get the kit professionaly installed and a huge fuel system upgrade. Any help you can give would be greatly appriciated. I now have to get my block (Which was a brand new R-3 race block) sleeved and get a new set of custom pistons and rings. The pistons and rings alone will be over $1,000.00 not including any machine work or balancing. Im gonna have to get some new head gaskets as well. Maybe they will be willing to help me out since I was kind of a gunnea pig for them with that plate on a chrysler intake. Let me know what you can do.

Tom I am going to talk my guy at nx tomm and see if I can give you a hand with this. I cant say for sure what will happen but I will try to do my best to help you. If they cant do much the least I can do for you is sell you the parts you need to convert to a fogger and my cost.

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by Dragracer1971
I heard about this post from a good friend of mine (LETZ RUN) and want to make a few comments as NX being one of the Nitrous products that i carry and use on my personal vehicles and vehicles i sponcer.

a408swinger what do u want for the NX HVH Super Sucker plate? I have two that i demo to customers before they would even buy one for their application and would like to see you as a happy Nitrous customer. I'm not trying to step on anyone else's toes, just possibly offering to buy it from you and get you what you need / want.

Nosfedgta if i can be of any help to you with this potential problem, please let me know. This is from one NX dealer to another.

Now for my few comments. Tom i'm not trying to take your business away from anyone else, but i hate to see any unhappy NX customer. If Nosfedgta can't help you out, i'll be glad to try to.

PS...there is a 318 Mopar truck that i sponcer and he uses the old style GT PP plate with two bars on each side and have never had any problems. I can give you 100% of his motor details if needed. 12.60's on motor, 11.30's on 100 shot, 10.80's on 200 shot. The tune was a lil fat on the 100 HP and more fat on the 200 HP. We were proving a point (and winning a few $$$) that hypernu"cracktic" pistons could hold 200 HP of Nitrous and stay together.

PSS... CPC why are you hating on NX and / or NX dealers? He was just trying to help Tom out and it seems like you were. Just curious?

PSS.. If anyone wants to reach me for comments / questions, i can be reached at 985-860-0220.

James Burnthorne, Jr. Owner and Tuner of Louisiana Performance

Thanx for the offer. I appreciate it...... nice to meet ya by the way...

[vortech_95-gt]

BOOST is the sheeeeeot :D :nitrous: :piss: ;) Im just messing with you guys ..................or am I ;) lol flame away

[Dragracer1971]

Originally posted by coupe performance
You sound like a fair guy, so I'll tell you my experience with NX. I WAS a dealer for them about 4 years ago. I bought several EFI plates that they offered and installed them on various cars...one was a Renegade car(when renegade had rules:rolleyes: ). Anyways, EVERY plate would burn cylinders on 1 and 5 and be richer towarrds the rear. I talked to NX and they said "we have'nt had any problems". So, I figured I must've done something wrong, or something was causing it to burn pistons(at this piont we had put 3 sets in the renegade car). We jacked the fuel pressure and headed to Bradenton for SBS. 1st pass, burnt pistons AGAIN. So I took the plate off the car and activated it in the open and by the time the fuel reached the front cylinders it was a TRICKLE:eek: . Now I called NX and told them what happened and what I found, and they got intrested in taking some information AT MY EXPENSE!! I built a Flow bench to flow thses type of plates that they had sent me and most were off of fuel flow by as much as 50% at the foremost runners. I got my pin-vise out and went to work on 'em and got 'em right after a few hours of drilling. Now here's where I'm going....I let my dealership go cause they let ME be the guinea pig, they wanted to know what all I did to fix the problem......and they did NOT want to buy any pistons in exchnage for a lot of R&D on my dime.
Not all there products are bad...I've had some others that have worked great and seen others at the track that work great. BUT I'm not gonna be another guinea pig for the "latest and greatest". Again, not trying to step on toes...just my .02 cents.-
Scott.

P.S. for now....I'm sticking with my 3 stage Bigshot plate.:D

Man i go get something to eat and watch a little bit of that azz whooping the Eagles are getting and the damn posts are coming out of everywheres...LOL

Scott i hear and understand what you went thru as i had growing pains with NX also 4 + years ago. I was tired of moving from Nitrous manufactor to Nitrous manufactor and blaming them for any and all things that went wrong. We all learn from our mistakes (and others), but i choose to stay with them and now i feel it was the best decision i made at the time. Just my .02 and respect your feelings about NX.

Gone in 5 seconds i agree somewhat, but i choose to expermint so i guess i'm one of "the other people" and can now offer that to my customers.

Nice to have met you too nosfedgta. I guess we are distant cousins huh.......:D

vortech_95-gt yes you are right, boost is the shi* right now, but don't count all of the Nitrous guys out for now.......;)

[Dragracer1971]

PS.... It's kinda like that azz whooping ya'll put on us last Saturday.......:o(

[CPC]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
where is huntsville??? and what does your car weigh? I am a mid 5 car?? no.. does my car weigh 3400lbs??? yes, and I have been 121 mph in the 1/8th with that much weight...... and barely ever?? my car has run in the 5's everytime I have been to the track with it since I got my combo dialed in. It was also at many diif tracks including Eatonton, twiggs,silverdollar, and commerce.

you don't know where huntsville alabama is?:rolleyes: our car weighed 2950# with a 347" engine... how big is your's? you don't want to get into a pissing match over et's you will lose....oh yeah why didn't you sell swinger the same plate you use on your car? was he your guinea pig?

[ProStreetZ28]

Tom,
That SUCKS. Which intake are you running? If you'd like I'll come up there and checkout how it sparays and if it's hitting the intake walls, with that plate it's really important to check that. Actually with all of the Gemini plates you need to check that. Since yours ate the two center pistons it points to that as a problem. Sorry it took so long to respond I was out of town again, and I leave MOnday to go to California to tune one of the cars for a photo shoot and magazine trail. Call me and I'll swing by and check that for you, I had to check it with my old Gemini Twin Plate. Since it's spraybar-less it might have to be drilled differently with your intake. Was this on the the 1st stage or the second stage?

[a408swinger]

Originally posted by ProStreetZ28
Tom,
That SUCKS. Which intake are you running? If you'd like I'll come up there and checkout how it sparays and if it's hitting the intake walls, with that plate it's really important to check that. Actually with all of the Gemini plates you need to check that. Since yours ate the two center pistons it points to that as a problem. Sorry it took so long to respond I was out of town again, and I leave MOnday to go to California to tune one of the cars for a photo shoot and magazine trail. Call me and I'll swing by and check that for you, I had to check it with my old Gemini Twin Plate. Since it's spraybar-less it might have to be drilled differently with your intake. Was this on the the 1st stage or the second stage?

If you look at the video Bugman posted for me you can actually see it starting to get the pistons at the end of the first pass which was just a 100 hp on the first stage, but when I looked at the plugs they all looked perfect so I put in a brand new set and tried to bring in the second stage about 300' out and as soon as I hit it the car nosed over and took out the 2 pistons.

[ProStreetZ28]

Call me 404-227-6335

[Nosfedgta]

Originally posted by CPC
you don't know where huntsville alabama is?:rolleyes: our car weighed 2950# with a 347" engine... how big is your's? you don't want to get into a pissing match over et's you will lose....oh yeah why didn't you sell swinger the same plate you use on your car? was he your guinea pig?

my point is huntsville in not in ga.. all the other posts about you running coupe or someone else you always tell them to go to your track. it seems as if you cant run the number unless you are at your track. I remember when you ran at dallas at YOUR race:drunk: couldnt do it then either.... as for a pissing match over et's?? you have been faster. I have driven my car to eatonton "aprox17miles" run 5's and driven home.

as for swinger being the guinea pig, nope. My plate is almost identical and I have many customers running the same as his. My plates is spraybarless on the first kit like his, but my second stage in the center of the plate has bars, but with the same amount of holes as his.

[CPC]

Drew when I ran my street car at Dallas three years ago it went 5.8s on a 175 shot,At huntsville with the turbo on the car we ran 5.5s after we had to go and drive a15 mile cruise with only a 20 min cooldown! I will say the NX kits that we have installed here ( mostly EFI) were a pain in the butt because the hardware was of poor quailty, so that is my main issue with there stuff,also I have used Nitrous works kits on several mopars with no issues. Dan

[Redbull]

Originally posted by Nosfedgta
my point is huntsville in not in ga.. all the other posts about you running coupe or someone else you always tell them to go to your track. it seems as if you cant run the number unless you are at your track. I remember when you ran at dallas at YOUR race:drunk: couldnt do it then either.... as for a pissing match over et's?? you have been faster. I have driven my car to eatonton "aprox17miles" run 5's and driven home.

as for swinger being the guinea pig, nope. My plate is almost identical and I have many customers running the same as his. My plates is spraybarless on the first kit like his, but my second stage in the center of the plate has bars, but with the same amount of holes as his. I seem to remember Dallas and CPC........when i yanked the nutz off of a white turbo coupe in qualifing....:eek: :eek: :eek:























Calm down bigboy....I hear the sweat popping out on your forehead...:D :D

[CPC]

Originally posted by Redbull
I seem to remember Dallas and CPC........when i yanked the nutz off of a white turbo coupe in qualifing....:eek: :eek: :eek:






















Calm down bigboy....I hear the sweat popping out on your forehead...:D :D

like outrunning us at dallas is something to brag about... all we had at dallas was problems.... but congrats to you!!!!:rolleyes:

[CPC]

Originally posted by Redbull
I seem to remember Dallas and CPC........when i yanked the nutz off of a white turbo coupe in qualifing....:eek: :eek: :eek:























Calm down bigboy....I hear the sweat popping out on your forehead...:D :D

yeah we smoked the tires and you ran a BIG 6.0!!! WHOO HOO congrats now go sell that turd....davidcpc

[WIKDLX]

Originally posted by CPC
like outrunning us at dallas is something to brag about... all we had at dallas was problems.... but congrats to you!!!!:rolleyes:



Dan, dont take any shit from Scott, he's just trying to get you riled up.






ps.........I busted your ass more than once, BITCH!!:eek:

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
yeah we smoked the tires and you ran a BIG 6.0!!! WHOO HOO congrats now go sell that turd....davidcpc then what does that make your car????:dropjaw: Dont make me come out of retirement........I see you still remember,right down to the e.t..........Stings like a bitch dont it...hehehehe

[CPC]

Matty Just remember we had to come to dallas about three years ago to show you and wana how to run 5s,I will never forget that dejected look on your face when we ran that 5.8 and you guys were still in the 6s you looked like someone shot your dog! And as far as you Red calf we have still gone faster at Dallas then you have with a street car with a pump gas 347 with a 175 shot not a 408 with a 200 shot and that was when you were still running 6.5s and burn`n pistons ever other pass so put yourself out to pasture and SFU!::burnout: Dan

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
Matty Just remember we had to come to dallas about three years ago to show you and wana how to run 5s,I will never forget that dejected look on your face when we ran that 5.8 and you guys were still in the 6s you looked like someone shot your dog! And as far as you Red calf we have still gone faster at Dallas then you have with a street car with a pump gas 347 with a 175 shot not a 408 with a 200 shot and that was when you were still running 6.5s and burn`n pistons ever other pass so put yourself out to pasture and SFU!::burnout: Dan Who....Me????Burn'in pistons....Well i guess i've torched a couple in my day.............I have never owend a 408 and never ran a 200 shot.....you got beat by itty bitty 150 shot and a aod/glide.:bash:

[CPC]

I'm sure i'm fogeting alot of stuff,car has been 5.90 flat on a 200shot 6.80 on moter.Car is ready to go to the track.................................

what? and wtf is a moter?

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
I'm sure i'm fogeting alot of stuff,car has been 5.90 flat on a 200shot 6.80 on moter.Car is ready to go to the track.................................

what? and wtf is a moter? I f you can build a mid 5 second car i believe you can figure out a mispelled word...I hope.....I might not can spell but i can drive the fuck out of a 5 second car....Why dont you bring the white coupe to e-town and i'll show you!!!...CAUTION....I run the no lift policy!!!!!:confused3 :confused3

[CPC]

Hey red the fact of the matter is we went faster with a 11.3/1 comp 347 with a 175 shot at dallas then you have gone anywhere with your 402-414 ci engine and a 200 shot! those are the facts so you can keep running that pie hole of yours but that won`t change the facts. P/S we also went faster on the engine 6.60 at 109 also. So maybe you should keep that car and get someone to help you to get it to run like it should:burnout: Dan

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
Hey red the fact of the matter is we went faster with a 11.3/1 comp 347 with a 175 shot at dallas then you have gone anywhere with your 402-414 ci engine and a 200 shot! those are the facts so you can keep running that pie hole of yours but that won`t change the facts. P/S we also went faster on the engine 6.60 at 109 also. So maybe you should keep that car and get someone to help you to get it to run like it should:burnout: Dan All i here is this number that number,but you aint beat nobody,atleast that i seen.Hell i been 60's on the moter with a freakin aod and a 3000lbs car.Thats pretty good numbers with a 347,car must have weighed around 2500lbs....All i'm saying is when you going to quit singing and start bringing somthing.....I mean.....fuck.....:burnout:

[CPC]

Like I said red that 5.8s at dallas is faster then you have gone ANYWHERE! and as far as anyone see`n it Hambe was there as well as 200-300 other people. We have the car apart now to get it painted and make some small changes, so keep your car and go find you somebody to help you figure out how to make that 400inch thing run like it should,and then if your nice when I get the car back we will go faster than you again, and just for your personal information it weighted over 2850 with the nitrous engine in it.:D Dan

[coupe performance]

Originally posted by CPC
Like I said red that 5.8s at dallas is faster then you have gone ANYWHERE! and as far as anyone see`n it Hambe was there as well as 200-300 other people. We have the car apart now to get it painted and make some small changes, so keep your car and go find you somebody to help you figure out how to make that 400inch thing run like it should,and then if your nice when I get the car back we will go faster than you again, and just for your personal information it weighted over 2850 with the nitrous engine in it.:D Dan
Alright Dan...get the hell off my section of forum, I went faster than you with a clutch-type 5-speed. And I dont care what it weighed, your not getting your crown back!!!:D :D

[vortech_95-gt]

Originally posted by coupe performance
Alright Dan...get the hell off my section of forum, I went faster than you with a clutch-type 5-speed. And I dont care what it weighed, your not getting your crown back!!!:D :D :eek:

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
Like I said red that 5.8s at dallas is faster then you have gone ANYWHERE! and as far as anyone see`n it Hambe was there as well as 200-300 other people. We have the car apart now to get it painted and make some small changes, so keep your car and go find you somebody to help you figure out how to make that 400inch thing run like it should,and then if your nice when I get the car back we will go faster than you again, and just for your personal information it weighted over 2850 with the nitrous engine in it.:D Dan damn....yesterday on page 2 it weighted 2950.....WTF????

[Bugman]

Originally posted by Redbull
damn....yesterday on page 2 it weighted 2950.....WTF????

Ha Ha he remembered Dan wasn't driving. :D JK

[CPC]

Red Not only can`t you spell but your reading with comprehension is lacking also ,now go back and reread that thread and you will see that it said that the car weighted 2950 WITH THE TURBO STUFF not when it had the nitrous stuff! And as for you coupe I will see you in the spring you are safe until then:D Dan

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
you don't know where huntsville alabama is?:rolleyes: our car weighed 2950# with a 347" engine... how big is your's? you don't want to get into a pissing match over et's you will lose....oh yeah why didn't you sell swinger the same plate you use on your car? was he your guinea pig? Who's typing over there??Ray Charles...all i see is,and i quote...2950# with a 347"....Where does it say turbo stuff?????can you explain that?????

[CPC]

Originally posted by Redbull
Who's typing over there??Ray Charles...all i see is,and i quote...2950# with a 347"....Where does it say turbo stuff?????can you explain that?????

well ok it was a 347 (4.030 bore 3.400 stroke ) when it was the nos engine(2850#) and the turbo engine was 352" (4.060 3.400 stroke) 2950#
davidcpc.... still aint 400" though!!:D

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
Hey red the fact of the matter is we went faster with a 11.3/1 comp 347 with a 175 shot at dallas then you have gone anywhere with your 402-414 ci engine and a 200 shot! those are the facts so you can keep running that pie hole of yours but that won`t change the facts. P/S we also went faster on the engine 6.60 at 109 also. So maybe you should keep that car and get someone to help you to get it to run like it should:burnout: Dan Dude,what you dont understand is,i built this combo to run 5.90's well guess what,it does with ease,dont even have to touch the second kit....I would bet my left nut you can't make 500 to the rear on mucle through an aod. And i definatly did'nt build it to make solo runs.:D

[Redbull]

your pretty fun to argue with,but i dont know if i can get the best of ya:D

[CPC]

Originally posted by Redbull
Dude,what you dont understand is,i built this combo to run 5.90's well guess what,it does with ease,dont even have to touch the second kit....I would bet my left nut you can't make 500 to the rear on mucle through an aod. And i definatly did'nt build it to make solo runs.:D

make it more than your measly nut and we will see!!!! 500 to the tires on "muscle" and it run's what?..6.80's that proves what chassis dyno's are for..... tell you what i can build a pump gas 347 that makes more power than your 400"...... wanna bet we'll put them on a engine dyno.......

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
make it more than your measly nut and we will see!!!! 500 to the tires on "muscle" and it run's what?..6.80's that proves what chassis dyno's are for..... tell you what i can build a pump gas 347 that makes more power than your 400"...... wanna bet we'll put them on a engine dyno....... well,lets see.......500 through an aod....thats got to be atleast 615 are so on an engine dyno,and this was with little effort,now get to building,but first get me some fries and a coke......oh by the way...it has been 6.64 on mucle with the mph to go a low .50......it's kinda hard to get a 3000 lbs car out of the hole,ya know.

[CPC]

Originally posted by Redbull
well,lets see.......500 through an aod....thats got to be atleast 615 are so on an engine dyno,and this was with little effort,now get to building,but first get me some fries and a coke......oh by the way...it has been 6.64 on mucle with the mph to go a low .50......it's kinda hard to get a 3000 lbs car out of the hole,ya know.

well i got the dyno sheet from the pump gas 347 that made 609hp at 7800rpm.... what did your rocket mph????

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
well i got the dyno sheet from the pump gas 347 that made 609hp at 7800rpm.... what did your rocket mph???? 106.7 ......but i did go a 6.85.0 at carolina!!!!!!!!!!












































at 94mph.....now figure that up

[Nosfedgta]

Im Batman

[CPC]

Originally posted by Redbull
106.7 ......but i did go a 6.85.0 at carolina!!!!!!!!!!












































at 94mph.....now figure that up ....................................oh well that 609 hp pump gas 347 went 109 two times and 108 all the other times....

[Nosfedgta]

Hey Tom,

Give me a call. 478-457-7503. I have some things I can help ya out with....

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
make it more than your measly nut and we will see!!!! 500 to the tires on "muscle" and it run's what?..6.80's that proves what chassis dyno's are for..... tell you what i can build a pump gas 347 that makes more power than your 400"...... wanna bet we'll put them on a engine dyno....... Actually,IMO,a chassis dyno is the ultimate tuning tool,with the car in a load,and that's what we used it for,not to make a horse power number,althogh we could have made more H.P. BUT MY WALLET COULD'NT STAND ANOTHER PULL......The chasis dyno has got to be better than making pulls with your engine setting on a freaking milk crate!!!!

I dont think you want to put that peanut ass 347 without your turbo up against my 399.8.......I know i can exstract no less than 75 more horses out of this combo,it's got a set of 200$ mac square flanged headers on it,for christ sake...Damn....If the car dont sell on ebay,the bet is on,probobly would'nt hurt to freshen it up any way.......Coupe,get ready to work some magic on them Victor jr's...lol

I predicte i will beat you by no less than 100 hp

[Redbull]

Sorry i took over your thread,but i'm having a blast!!!!!

[CPC]

Originally posted by Redbull
Actually,IMO,a chassis dyno is the ultimate tuning tool,with the car in a load,and that's what we used it for,not to make a horse power number,althogh we could have made more H.P. BUT MY WALLET COULD'NT STAND ANOTHER PULL......The chasis dyno has got to be better than making pulls with your engine setting on a freaking milk crate!!!!

I dont think you want to put that peanut ass 347 without your turbo up against my 399.8.......I know i can exstract no less than 75 more horses out of this combo,it's got a set of 200$ mac square flanged headers on it,for christ sake...Damn....If the car dont sell on ebay,the bet is on,probobly would'nt hurt to freshen it up any way.......Coupe,get ready to work some magic on them Victor jr's...lol

I predicte i will beat you by no less than 100 hp

you better do something you are gonna need some more power.... but it will be on a engine dyno.... which is the only way to properly load the engine to tune it.....

[PDub6s]

Originally posted by Redbull
I predicte i will beat you by no less than 100 hp

It's a hell of alot harder to build a 700+hp Small Block than people think.

BTW... I want in on the motor action, as long as OJ stays in the Bronco. :D

[CPC]

Originally posted by PDub6s
It's a hell of alot harder to build a 700+hp Small Block than people think.

BTW... I want in on the motor action, as long as OJ stays in the Bronco. :D

we did a 352 that was 12 to 1 with a nos cam that was way too big it made 630hp on a engine dyno..... more compression and a n/a ring package with the right cam we can make 650 to 660hp with high port heads....

[PDub6s]

Originally posted by CPC
we did a 352 that was 12 to 1 with a nos cam that was way too big it made 630hp on a engine dyno..... more compression and a n/a ring package with the right cam we can make 650 to 660hp with high port heads....

For sure, I didn't mean it couldn't be done. I believe I'am in the 625-650hp range with 12 to 1 cr and an NOS cam. But its a big motor, :D .

[a408swinger]

Ill be droping a new motor in the Scamp this winter that will be a 10 to 1 pumpgas smallblock chrysler that I guarantee will make over 600 hp on 93 octane. Ill be looking to go 6's on hard tires on motor! 6.50's-60's on a sticky tire, and 5's on a small shot of spray. I want to challenge some of you Ford guru's to bring out a pumpgas streetcar with hardtires that can hang with the Scamp next year. Dont sing it, bring it!

[PDub6s]

Originally posted by a408swinger
Ill be droping a new motor in the Scamp this winter that will be a 10 to 1 pumpgas smallblock chrysler that I guarantee will make over 600 hp on 93 octane. Ill be looking to go 6's on hard tires on motor! 6.50's-60's on a sticky tire, and 5's on a small shot of spray. I want to challenge some of you Ford guru's to bring out a pumpgas streetcar with hardtires that can hang with the Scamp next year. Dont sing it, bring it!

I have nothing for you on hardtires, but anytime you want to run on stickies I'am in. :D

[a408swinger]

Originally posted by PDub6s
I have nothing for you on hardtires, but anytime you want to run on stickies I'am in. :D

Which car? The Swinger or the Scamp? With 12 to 1 compression Im assuming your talking about the Swinger. Its got 12 to 1 compression also with 408 cubes and a 28x10.5 tire. The Scamp is a 10 to 1 pumgas smallblock with hard radials on it. I may try some 28x 10.5's on it just to see what it runs ;) .

[PDub6s]

Doesn't matter. Just giving you down the road.

[Redbull]

Originally posted by CPC
we did a 352 that was 12 to 1 with a nos cam that was way too big it made 630hp on a engine dyno..... more compression and a n/a ring package with the right cam we can make 650 to 660hp with high port heads.... How about using some victor jr's....LOL

[CPC]

Originally posted by Redbull
How about using some victor jr's....LOL

how about dropping some cubes!!!!

[Dragracer1971]

Back to your original post a408swinger. How r things going with u? Let me know what's up with everything. I hope all is going good.

Here's a lil video from Saturday the 17th of my new motor going in my ol slow Firebird. I have it set up as a two stage, with two different style nozzles. Both were sprayed with same exact 300 HP tune up....... http://racepics.net/videos/james/bigpower1.wmv