tuffenuff

[SilVip1jzgte]

ill talk to my friend and see when he is running next, where and when and for how much. if your up for the challenge of a car that dyno'd at 1450hp and 1470ft-tq......was at 33lbs of boost and when they made there 9.98 sec run was at wastegate boost which is 1 bar...and feathering off the line in first gear.....

you want to set up some good races??? go onto www.supraforums.com and im sure there are plenty of high hp supra's that will eat your wheely nova for dinner...

[TuffEnuff]

Fine with me.....set it up....BIG MONEY.

I guess old DUCKTURD dont wanna do it huh?

Figures :rolleyes:

[Strk&Blwn]

I've got a question.

What do a 1000 hp Supra and a 500 hp Supra have in common?

-------- 12 sec timeslips ----------

I know it's an oldie but it's still so true

[Meng's_Supra]

Strk&Blwn,
ahh NO..are you dumb...
a 500hp supra , more like 11's...1000hp supra, more like 8's..
Think about it really hard..and yeap them inline 6 are pushing alot of ponies..
12's timeslips would be more like bad hookups..hmm Lenger with his 396hp supra ran 12 second flat..hmmm that's not even 500hp..wow read up alittle more guy.

[Meng's_Supra]

Originally posted by SilVip1jzgte
ill talk to my friend and see when he is running next, where and when and for how much. if your up for the challenge of a car that dyno'd at 1450hp and 1470ft-tq......was at 33lbs of boost and when they made there 9.98 sec run was at wastegate boost which is 1 bar...and feathering off the line in first gear.....

you want to set up some good races??? go onto www.supraforums.com and im sure there are plenty of high hp supra's that will eat your wheely nova for dinner...

I think it was 18psi SilVip1jzgte, i'm sure it wasn't 33 psi. cause steggy said they couldn't get any hookups..

[Strk&Blwn]

hmm Lenger with his 396hp supra ran 12 second flat..

OK, let's change the old joke -

What do 396 hp supra's have in common with 1000 hp supra's?


------- 12 sec timeslips --------


dynosheetinternetracing.com
.

[Meng's_Supra]

Strk&Blwn,
dude you don't know anything about supras..
i guess you can't think of anything but to change the joke..
yeah i've seen supras on dyno's and tracks..ahh supras are faster than you think..hmm read up a little more about the news lately..Titan motorsports Supra and MSP's Supra both got kicked out of the street class due to being way to fast for them other street class cars..MSP's supra broke the all time street class record. 1000hp and on street tires..i repeat not slicks,street tires he ran 8.3..Titan ran 8.7..both titan and msp were on street tires..
and under 1000hp too..hmm if only they can use slicks..Titan is running on stock 6spd tranny..both fully streetable cars, no ford 9' rearend on these babies..
so if your still trying to make fun of these supras..you proberlly lost to one so don't get all pushy about it..
Maybe you've been watching "fast and the furious" too much...
-Meng

[Strk&Blwn]

ahh supras are faster than you think

wow, you can read minds, that's pretty good, congrats

now, get your "buddy" to run Tuff

[Meng's_Supra]

yes i can..ohh i will let him know as soon as i have time ..right now i got too many shit to do..

[TuffEnuff]

I know a guy with a 66 Chevy II that runs in the low 7's....maybe you can get the Titan supra to race him. Oh yeah,he's from around here too.....where is the Titan car from?

lets see.....in the WHOLE country there is MAYBE 3 or 4 Supra's that run ANYWHERE in the 8's

But, EVERY Nitrous Street Car Brawl event has (at least) 16 local guys (in chevy's) running LOW 8's (the other cars that didnt make the field are still 8 second cars...they just didnt make the bump in qualifing)

so, that means....(maybe)4 - 8 second supra's.....NATION WIDE

16 - 8 Second Chevy's..that show up to GLD on a saturday.

and I am supposed to be impressed with a RICER that makes 468 HP??

My Junk yard car makes more power than that!

(Yes, I am putting together a junk yard car called project super toilet to beat on Ricers with....car=$75.00 Total invested= Under $3grand)

who wants some?

[juicedfox]

Originally posted by Meng's_Supra
Strk&Blwn,
ahh NO..are you dumb...
..............................
..............................
wow read up alittle more guy.


too much reading, not enough experience RACING

[jdsgallops]

Originally posted by Strk&Blwn

dynosheetinternetracing.com
.

LOL

And Meng, if you know of a car that runs 8's on a true street tire send it over. I have less than 25% of the power these guys are claiming and have trouble running 13's on a true street tire. There is no way those guys are running 8's on anything less than an et street or slick. #1 you can't get the power to the ground, and #2 it isn't safe. Better click that above link and do some more reading.

[z28kid98]

isnt the drag radial record mid 8's? granted that's not a TRUE radial, but it's not an e.t. street or slick. and Tuff, didn't Chitownracing have some videos of Marco's car running FAST on a street radial at the Supra/Viper shootout?

My Supra's Bigger Than Your Supra :)

[Craig S.]

Hey guys, I had steaks on the grill for SUPRA tonight.

[juicedfox]

Originally posted by z28kid98
isnt the drag radial record mid 8's? granted that's not a TRUE radial, but it's not an e.t. street or slick. and Tuff, didn't Chitownracing have some videos of Marco's car running FAST on a street radial at the Supra/Viper shootout?

My Supra's Bigger Than Your Supra :)


That's a fact, the record for drag radials 8.xx. And Supras have gone fast on street radials. No doubt Supras can be Tuff, but can they be TUFFENUFF???????????????


















Probably not!

[juicedfox]

Originally posted by Craig S.
Hey guys, I had steaks on the grill for SUPRA tonight.


That is funny as hell Mr. Stidinkski!!!!!!!!


:thumbsup: :bouncy:

[SilVip1jzgte]

you guys are funny....a muscle car has a solid rear end and an import has independent rearend...alot tuffer to launch and hook up than you think.
a supra that runs 1000hp vs. a stock supra motor has the same STOCK internals...stock rods, stock pistons, stock crank...go onto www.supraforums.com and you will see for yourself....

now a muscle car on the other hand has to build up the motor...and well rebuild many times as ive seen done MANY times from the pro's....
titan, msp, mvp, and many other high hp supra's that run in the 7's, 8's, and 9's, still have stock forged internals.....

thats pretty godly if you ask me. muscle cars are out dated and its time for the imports to take over from where they left off.

the high hp supra's that you talk about running 12's vs the lower hp is because of traction problem because like i said the independent rear end.

think you guys need to do some reading up on these cars before you guys flame....now go be idiots elsewhere....pls


TUFFENUFF...i still have to talk to him as he does have jobs and what not and has no time to surf up on these forums so patience pls...thats the only thing i ask of you for now....

[TuffEnuff]

<<<<< still waiting.....and NOT worried.:burnout:

[00Evan]

talk to "slowashellvette" he might race you when his car is done...
that might be some v8 competition that will fit your apetitie.

-00Evan

[Meng's_Supra]

haha that would be nice lol..

[SilVip1jzgte]

MENG:
when steggy dyno'd his car it was at 33lbs of boost and when he ran at the track that one day he said it was running off the wastegate and the guages said 1bar is the max it showed...which is 14.7psi...
now 14.7psi and still running a 9.98, feathering off the line is one f*cking fast ass run.
cant wait to see it run its 33lbs of boost...give msp and titan a very good run for there money....

[juicedfox]

Originally posted by 00Evan
talk to "slowashellvette" he might race you when his car is done...
that might be some v8 competition that will fit your apetitie.

-00Evan


It better be faster than Bill's Corvette if he wants to even think about competing.

[jdsgallops]

Originally posted by SilVip1jzgte
[B]you guys are funny....a muscle car has a solid rear end and an import has independent rearend...alot tuffer to launch and hook up than you think.
a supra that runs 1000hp vs. a stock supra motor has the same STOCK internals...stock rods, stock pistons, stock crank...go onto www.supraforums.com and you will see for yourself....

Now your making excuses. Funny thing is this excuse is exactly the reason these cars don't run the number you claim. You can't get the power down so the 1000hp car runs just as fast as the 400hp as previously discussed. Also FYI go read a NHRA or IHRA rule book. Any car running an independent rearend has to replace it when it starts running faster than 12.0, I believe. Yes a ridiculous number considering many of todays new cars are capable of coming close to that from the factory. Regardless no track is gonna pass a 7 or 8sec car on tech with an idependent rear suspension in it yet.

now a muscle car on the other hand has to build up the motor...and well rebuild many times as ive seen done MANY times from the pro's....
titan, msp, mvp, and many other high hp supra's that run in the 7's, 8's, and 9's, still have stock forged internals.....

Once again reading the magazine too much. ANY car that puts out those kind of HP numbers wil need to be rebuilt more often than one of lower HP numbers. Those top Fuel Dragsters than put out 5000+ Hp and rebuild after every 1/4 mile pass must really be junk huh?

thats pretty godly if you ask me. muscle cars are out dated and its time for the imports to take over from where they left off.

Never heard of the 5.0 mustang huh? Stock forged internals there too, and already rules the street. Why do you think you try and race one every time you get next to one?

the high hp supra's that you talk about running 12's vs the lower hp is because of traction problem because like i said the independent rear end.

Back the the excuse again. If there is such a traction problem why did you talk above about a 7 sec supra that doesn't run slicks?

think you guys need to do some reading up on these cars before you guys flame....now go be idiots elsewhere....pls

I think maybe you should go back to school and take some physics and chemistry classes so you have a better idea of when you are talking out of your ass. Then when you have a clue as to whats going on, maybe you will quit talking about what you read in the latest import rag and start talking about your car, as you don't know the truth behind something you don't own.

[TuffEnuff]

The ricer's #1 excuse : A guy in a magazine.....blah blah blah.

THERE is ALWAYS some guy in a magazine.......but I am not asking to race him. I want to race the people from THIS site.

I dont need to look for somebody else to race for me.....I can do it with my OWN car,and I always have....


RULE #1 : JUST BECAUSE ITS FAST FOR AN IMPORT.....DOESNT MEAN IT'S FAST AT ALL!!!!!!

I could get my riding lawnmower to run a 40 sec. 1/4

that MIGHT be fast for a lawnmower

There MIGHT even be a guy in a magazine who runs 8's with his,WHILE CUTTING GRASS TOO!

But the reality is..... LAWNMOWERS ARE S-L-O-W.

so, there ya go. Ya-hey-dar

[Strk&Blwn]

Last time I read up on racing, the winner was the first to the finish line.

Now it appears you are given points for being "slow and reliable" and for "peak-dyno-HP".

===the Japanese Judge awards a perfect 10== to the "slow ass" car with the big wing

[00Evan]

Originally posted by juicedfox
It better be faster than Bill's Corvette if he wants to even think about competing.

How much hp did bill stall end up putting down to the wheels? Also how much did his car weigh, ie how crazy on weight mods did he go?

-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

LOL...well jdsgallops, it wasnt an excuse..what makes you think it was an excuse...
i always race a 5.slow rustang with my civic and well, the ones ive raced ive won with.
when i get my new motor in my supra, its gonna stay stock internals and run 700+hp.
the problem with the people running 1000hp supra's is they dont give a sh!t what they run at the track...thats why the MKIV supra has aquired the name "DYNO QUEEN'S".
try this one, my friend with an MKIII (1989) toyota supra has 398hp AT the wheels and well, ran 12.06sec@115.7mph with the STOCK turbo and STOCK internals.
there's a difference from people who WANT to have good times, put all there time, money, and effort into there car. and then there's people who could care less what there car runs, just wants to have a good time and be the queen on the dyno...
and no, if they run faster than 12 they dont have to remove the independant rear end....why do you think the car's do wheelies, and the imports cant...well because they have independent rear-ends....thats why so many muscle cars do wheelies...:bash:

[juicedfox]

Originally posted by 00Evan
How much hp did bill stall end up putting down to the wheels? Also how much did his car weigh, ie how crazy on weight mods did he go?

-00Evan

Those numbers don't have much bearing on elapsed time. All those numbers matter but actually dialing the car in is what matters. Horsepower doesn't win races. I honestly don't know what his car weighs or puts down for horsepower. Would have to ask someone that knows him better.

[00Evan]

well imagine a car that weighs less than a honda civic with almost 10 times the horspwer, thats about all i can say....
:D

-00Evan

[jdsgallops]

Originally posted by SilVip1jzgte
LOL...well jdsgallops, it wasnt an excuse..what makes you think it was an excuse...

It is an excuse because first it was the 1000hp cars run 7's and 8's on street tires and then all of a sudden they have traction problems because they have an idependent rear suspension. It can't be both it is one or the other, so make up your mind.
i always race a 5.slow rustang with my civic and well, the ones ive raced ive won with.

Wanna run mine? I will even be nice and put the "small" jets in the nitrous.

when i get my new motor in my supra, its gonna stay stock internals and run 700+hp.

Yeah, uh huh, I won't hold my breath while I am waiting for you to finish.

the problem with the people running 1000hp supra's is they dont give a sh!t what they run at the track...thats why the MKIV supra has aquired the name "DYNO QUEEN'S".

So now it's not that they run 7's and 8's, it's not that the independent rear suspension holding them back, it is because they don't care. Once again quit making excuses and make up you mind which one it is.

try this one, my friend with an MKIII (1989) toyota supra has 398hp AT the wheels and well, ran 12.06sec@115.7mph with the STOCK turbo and STOCK internals.

Wow 400 rwhp and he runs 12.0's. I have a buddy that has a stock longblock 5.0 that runs 12.3 /12.4 and dyno'd 350rwhp. See it's just like Tuff said everyone knows someone else who has this and can run that. What someone elses car does is meaningless, what your car does is the only thing that matters.

there's a difference from people who WANT to have good times, put all there time, money, and effort into there car. and then there's people who could care less what there car runs, just wants to have a good time and be the queen on the dyno...

Yep and there is a difference between those people that actually spend the money, do the work and talk about their own car not what somebody else has.

and no, if they run faster than 12 they dont have to remove the independant rear end....why do you think the car's do wheelies, and the imports cant...well because they have independent rear-ends....thats why so many muscle cars do wheelies...:bash:

Ok now please do me a favor. Turn off the puter, put down the honda tuning for idiots book, and go to the track and pick up this thing called the NHRA rule book. Then read it from cover to cover. In it you will find that any car running faster than 12.0 needs to legally replace an independent rear suspension with one of a solid axle before passing tech. Now what isn't said is a track operator allowing cars with independent rear suspension running faster than 12.0 in on a test and tune night where rules tend to be a little lax. But if you enter an NHRA sanctioned event you won't be running plain and simple. That also means any sanctioning body that says that you need to meet NHRA guidelines will not pass you. Keeping the independent suspension in it is kinda like being a dyno queen. It is only there so you can say that you have the fastest stock suspension car, when in reality you will go much quicker by replacing it. Now when you get done with that NHRA rule book, please go to the library(thats the place where they keep books that you can take home, for free, but have to return) and pick up a physics book. In it you might find out why those muscle cars are pulling wheelies, and it sure isn't because they aren't independent rear suspension cars. My truck with a solid axle and the all powerful v6 sure can't do wheelies. Wheelies are caused by traction and power and actually hurt Et because you are using engine power to lift the car and not move it forward. It's a good thing those supras don't do wheelies because then you wouldn't have an excuse to use with that independent rear suspension.

[juicedfox]

Originally posted by SilVip1jzgte
i always race a 5.slow rustang with my civic and well, the ones ive raced ive won with.



I will race your Civic in my 5.slow Mustang. It isn't anything special, just a 306 with a little bit of work and a C4 "dogamatic".

[juicedfox]

Originally posted by jdsgallops
I have a buddy that has a stock longblock 5.0 that runs 12.3 /12.4 and dyno'd 350rwhp.

I know a guy that ran 11.80s with a 5.slow Rustang that only dynoed 326 hp/348tq at the rear wheels. Some of you might have even seen him. He is a short little guy with a white Mustang and he is at WIR every saturday. JDS, I know you know him.

[jdsgallops]

Yeah I know him and the little bastard never answers my e-mails. You know the guy I am talking about too, also runs WIR. His car has flames. If he would learn how to drive it might actually go faster.

[Team Ducktape]

I wished not to play this out, but I would challenge your thinking here, well some of it:
"Ok now please do me a favor. Turn off the puter, put down the honda tuning for idiots book, and go to the track and pick up this thing called the NHRA rule book. Then read it from cover to cover. In it you will find that any car running faster than 12.0 needs to legally replace an independent rear suspension with one of a solid axle before passing tech. Now what isn't said is a track operator allowing cars with independent rear suspension running faster than 12.0 in on a test and tune night where rules tend to be a little lax. But if you enter an NHRA sanctioned event you won't be running plain and simple. That also means any sanctioning body that says that you need to meet NHRA guidelines will not pass you."

Click on this link:
"http://www.automotosports.com/video_list.asp"
and goto this video:
"AMS Galant VR-4 at Battle of the Imports in Joliet IL 2002i"
Adam was running 10's and 11's all the time. Not sure if I remeber; but I believe the video was taken from a NHRA, or at ther very least one that follows NHRA rules and guildlines. I have never had a tech give me a problem about my independent rear suspension before, even with sub 12 runs. Buschur has the DSM "shootout" each year and every car there just about has independent rear suspensions, running from 12.0 down to Sheperd's car that runs 9's;here is his site (www.shepracing.com) and all have the independent suspension, and most complete in either NHRA sanctioned or sponsored events.

[SilVip1jzgte]

jdsgallops
5.slow has a 8cylinder....
supra's have straight 6's....
kinda shows something there huh
ive been to a couple NHRA events and well, seen a couple muscle cars do wheelies and even seen one hit the wall. if they couldnt do that with the solid rear end then why are they letting them run?
this topic was intended for tuffenuff and i have a friend who probably wouldnt mind runing him for fun, or maybe even some doolers.
if you want to dog on imports, make a topic just for it pls and keep this one clean for the event it was intended to make. thx

-zero

[jdsgallops]

SilVip1jzgte, I must say you are upholding the ricer creedo very well in making excuses and avoiding the questions posed. You have two guys that offered to run you you in there 5.slow stangs yet you don't accept either challenge. Then you whine about how this thread is for tuff and setting up a race with him. He has already said bring him on but then you come up with an excuse about how he is busy and you can't get ahold of him. Blah blah blah, Quit making excuses and quit changing the subject when you know your backed in to the corner and face the issues. You obviously have no idea what it takes for a car to run fast and are all talk, just look at your posts in this thread. You don't say anything from your experience it is all what you have read or someone else has, enough said.
Now as far this statement goes,
5.slow has a 8cylinder....
supra's have straight 6's....
kinda shows something there huh

Take the turbo off the 6 cyl, which would be the supra, and then make it faster than the 5.slow v8 and then it might say something.
I'm not here to dog imports, I am here to laugh at the guys who think they know something about cars, post it, talk out their ass and then get a whooping by someone who does know something about cars. If you go around the internet enough you will find that I have supported the import crowd before in various places where people have dogged them. What I can't stand is the stupidity that people post, and it isn't just the import crowd(though they are the biggest offenders) and will correct it. That being said I have looked for the NHRA rulebook on line and it is not posted so I sent an e-mail off to their tech department and will post the reply when I get it.

[SilVip1jzgte]

right now im in the process of selling the civic to build up another import car. i would take up the offer but i would rather sell the car with as low milage it has and make sure it is in working order for the next person.

you know, im done with this sh!t. you won, v8's over rule all and imports dont compete...whatever bro you won. this topic has been done before under many other forums and the outcome has been and always will be imports...but like i said...whatever bro. want a good argument..go back to f*cking highschool and start sh!t there...fighting forums over the net is gay and proves nothing....
later

-zero-1

[juicedfox]

clickity click the link below

http://www.wisconsinstreetdominators.com/nhrarules.asp

[TuffEnuff]

:rice: :ricer: :chevy:

[Team Ducktape]

Originally posted by juicedfox
clickity click the link below

http://www.wisconsinstreetdominators.com/nhrarules.asp

Those rules don't apply to all NHRA classes; yes for SUPER PRO, PRO, SPORTSMAN classes, ect. The "general rules" and guildlines mentions nothing about having to have a solid rear-end or having to replace the independent suspension at 12.0 or anyother ET, each class has it's own set of rules and guildlines, they don't apply to all classes.

[jdsgallops]

Originally posted by SilVip1jzgte
right now im in the process of selling the civic to build up another import car. i would take up the offer but i would rather sell the car with as low milage it has and make sure it is in working order for the next person.
So what does a 1/4 mile run have to do with your vehicle being low mileage and in good working order? Are you afraid it will break in the race?

you know, im done with this sh!t. you won, v8's over rule all and imports dont compete...whatever bro you won. this topic has been done before under many other forums and the outcome has been and always will be imports...but like i said...whatever bro. want a good argument..go back to f*cking highschool and start sh!t there...fighting forums over the net is gay and proves nothing....
later

-zero-1

You know I really can't help but laugh at your name. I could make so many jokes at your expense, but I will not. Now show me where I said anywhere that v8's rule and imports suck. No where have I said anything about what is better, what I said is knowledge is king and there are some people here lacking the knowledge they need to have a 300, 400 or 700+ hp car. The only way to get that info is through discussion with people that do have that knowledge, and when you cry like a baby, pound your fist and kick your feet because someone presents correct information you are the one that should go back to highschool and start arguments. Now why don't you be smart, (I know that you already think you are) and instead of saying "tuff I know some one who will run you", why don't you ask this guy how much time, energy and money he put in his car to get it where it is at now, learn something and then apply it to what you have. It really doesn't matter how many cylinders your car has or which wheels drive it we can all learn something from each other.

[jdsgallops]

Originally posted by Team Ducktape
Those rules don't apply to all NHRA classes; yes for SUPER PRO, PRO, SPORTSMAN classes, ect. The "general rules" and guildlines mentions nothing about having to have a solid rear-end or having to replace the independent suspension at 12.0 or anyother ET, each class has it's own set of rules and guildlines, they don't apply to all classes.

Actually I thought the same thing and then I read a little closer and found that it actually went across all classes. I am still waiting for a reply and will post it when I receive it.

[juicedfox]

I say to hell with all this bullshit argueing! Lets sit down and race and have fun. Who all lives in the Kaukauna area? Who is willing to go there for a good night of drag racing? We all have a common interest which is performance, whether it is import or domestic. There is no reason why we can't all get along and still give each other some shit about what the other drives. Here's the deal, very possibly there will be Real Street Drags held at WIR in Kaukauna once a month just like at Union Grove. What is Real Street Drags? Basically, street racing on the race track. No clocks so nobody knows what you run..........just like nobody knows what you run on the street. You still get a timeslip at the ticket booth but only the driver of the car can pick up the timeslip. That way there is no chance of someone else grabbing it and seeing what you run. If you want to tell people what you run that is fine but it will be confidential on our end. Racing will either be off the tree, off a flag or off a light. You can race whoever you want. Imports and domestics are welcome. Hell, you could bring your golf cart as long as it will pass tech. Another bonus is track prep. On an RSD night that track will be prepped like it has never been prepped before. If your car can't hook after the Tuffster preps the track, then your car just can't hook! The boys from Chicago will be up with their impressive as hell cars (both import and domestic). For those of you who haven't been to an RSD, it is a good time. Good action, good entertainment and most importantly great race track burgers!!!! This is not a done deal yet but we should know within the next couple weeks. Either myself or TuffEnuff will post a definite answer with a date and time if it happens. If it happens, the first RSD at WIR will be late September or early October. The next RSD at Union Grove is September 18th. For more information on Real Street Drags go to Real Street Drags (www.gzperformance.com) website.

Let me know what you guys think.

[jdsgallops]

Originally posted by juicedfox
Good action, good entertainment and most importantly great race track burgers!!!!

When did WIR start making good burgers?

[juicedfox]

WHAT? Their burgers KICK ASS!!!!!!!!! I used to go there to race or watch cars. Now I leave my car and camera at home and go to eat the burgers!

[jdsgallops]

Ok Mr. Juicedfox. I have never been impressed with their track food. GLD's is much better especially when the wagon shows up and has Italian beef sandwiches, but what the hell do I know, I only cook everyday for a living. :yum:

[TNE]

When haven't you thought GLD was better than KK?

[jdsgallops]

Someone knows my rants about WIR and how much it sucks. The answer to your question though would be when I moved down here and started going to Bradenton Motorsports Park, where tech is so easy it is completed by signing your tech card.

[Outplayn]

<--------Still waiting to see a supra race TUFF!!

[Strk&Blwn]

<--------Still waiting to see a supra race TUFF!!

Might that be the white (or should I say yellow) one?

I've heard the driver is out of town on RSD nights! (all of them)


ScaredSupra.com

[XsentrixSupra]

Well actually the MSP Supra just won the drag radial event against all the big v8s.....it won with a 8.47 against a 8.7x or something like that, was a real good event. Also the big difference between supra drag times is the type of transmission they run. A Auto Supra with just basic mods and a higher stall can run low to mid 11s.........on the same token a 6speed since a bit more driver skill is involved they usually run slower.........its true the first few times you drag a big single supra you are gonna suck it up.......I know a guy who ran better with BPU mods than he did the first few times with his single turbo :)

Oh but seriously there is no replacement for displacement......anyone who says otherwise is pretty stupid. I don't care how big of a turbo you have, when it comes down to it once that v8 is built right those extra few cubic inches will give it quite the advantage ;) ofcourse on the street anything can be made fast, and really these days in the end the speed of your car is really determined with how deep your pockets are

The supra though is one of the better engineered cars I've ever seen......I've gotten the chance to drive a few exotics like a 01 Diablo VT and a Porsche 996TT X50 and some Vipers and Vettes.......it has a very nice mix of comfort and speed and it can't be argued against the power they make and times they can run with only 183 cubic inches........which is no small feat. No other car can boast the kind of times and power though on stock internals.......that is what sets the Supra apart from other cars......however if I really wanted to build up an all out drag racing car I'd take a 2002 Camaro SS :cool: I'll take it in black please