we are getting screwed on our gas prices

[modracer]

i am not sure at what level but we are definitely getting screwed on the price we are being charged for our gas. last weekend regular gas around gainesville was 2.95 a gallon. on saturday i carried some more parts up to scott for my 66 racer he is building and we paid 2.62 for gas just outside of seneca.thats a .33 cents per gallon difference. along the same lines, just about 25 miles out of gainesville at a station owned by the same company that owns a lot of the gainesville ones had gas for 2.79 a gallon. somebody is taking advantage of us and smiling all the way to the bank.:mad: :bash:

[BeScurred]

http://www.blushingbuyer.co.uk/acatalog/ky-jelly-42-lg.jpg

[Mistrfish]

Guys that is nothing compaired to the price of gas here in Australia, Its 1.40 liter here that work out 5.20 a gallon . And its only going to get worse.

[Blownup5.0]

Yesterday I saw a QT here in Lawrenceville had regular for $2.72. I travel all over the place for MustangsUnlimited and 1 of the cheapest states I've seen is SC. I was in Carlisle, PA a week ago and regular was $3.06. Diesel was $3.00 a gallon in Carlisle, PA.

[copperdodge]

Georgia taxes its gas more heavily than SC (to my knowledge).

[VIPERBLUELX]

Originally posted by modracer
i am not sure at what level but we are definitely getting screwed on the price we are being charged for our gas. last weekend regular gas around gainesville was 2.95 a gallon. on saturday i carried some more parts up to scott for my 66 racer he is building and we paid 2.62 for gas just outside of seneca.thats a .33 cents per gallon difference. along the same lines, just about 25 miles out of gainesville at a station owned by the same company that owns a lot of the gainesville ones had gas for 2.79 a gallon. somebody is taking advantage of us and smiling all the way to the bank.:mad: :bash:

In Dalton, Racetrac is 2.69 and all name brands are $2.84 right now.

[trents99]

Also the EPA requires a special blend of gas to be used during the summer for higher populated areas which of course costs more to make so we pay the difference. Not sure what the EPA uses to determine what areas need the special blend though. I know Atlanta metro is one for sure; gas by the airport is over $3 for 87.

[RFGreen96GT]

It's called regional pricing and is completely legal under federal law. You will find it everywhere across the US.

[copperdodge]

What pisses me off is that I just paid $2.87 for PREMIUM at QuickTrip on US 78 out in Stone Mountain (across from Lowe's). Everywhere inside the perimeter, we're paying like $3.11 to $3.15 for premium.

Bull Shit, i say.

[Atlanta_Tider]

Our wonderful president, whom I voted for is sticking it to us daily. He has made alot of money on oil in his lifetime, and now continues to make even more at the American publics expense. Any of y'all remember how cheap gas was when he took office? Around a buck a gallon, now look at it. Exxon reports the highest earnings ever and we continued to get screwed. We have the resources at home to refine our own oil, but Bush is and has been in bed with the Saudi's for years and continues to profit along with them in the process. Its simple, we are the middle easts biggest customer, if we tell them what we will pay per barrel of oil they should take just that, who else will buy the oil from them in such bulk? No one. Hell 3rd world countries in South America have been refining their oil for years, us, the richest and most technological country in the world cannot do just that.

I have feeling raped in the ass everytime I put $60 worth in the truck.

[VIPERBLUELX]

Originally posted by Atlanta_Tider
Our wonderful president, whom I voted for is sticking it to us daily. He has made alot of money on oil in his lifetime, and now continues to make even more at the American publics expense. Any of y'all remember how cheap gas was when he took office? Around a buck a gallon, now look at it. Exxon reports the highest earnings ever and we continued to get screwed. We have the resources at home to refine our own oil, but Bush is and has been in bed with the Saudi's for years and continues to profit along with them in the process. Its simple, we are the middle easts biggest customer, if we tell them what we will pay per barrel of oil they should take just that, who else will buy the oil from them in such bulk? No one. Hell 3rd world countries in South America have been refining their oil for years, us, the richest and most technological country in the world cannot do just that.

I have feeling raped in the ass everytime I put $60 worth in the truck.

:drunk:

Where are you getting this information???

You don't think we refine oil in the US? :drunk:

In 2004 Saudi Arabia was Exporting 8.7 MILLION barrels of oil daily and of that the US got 1.27 MILLION barrels daily. We buy 15% of the oil that Saudi Arabia sells. We are by no means the only country that import oil from there.

[287TC'S]

By the way what you people need to remeber it's not the greedy oil companys that make the prices sooo darn high it's the fed and state taxes on the gas. It's like .54¢ a gallon for federal. I'm not sure what state tax is. Plus if you look at the numbers that really matter the profit margin these oil companies are much smaller than that of things such as pharmacuticals, Home Appliances and several other big companies make tons more in profit than the oil companies. But none the less it does really suck.

[Atlanta_Tider]

Originally posted by VIPERBLUELX
:drunk:

Where are you getting this information???

You don't think we refine oil in the US? :drunk:

In 2004 Saudi Arabia was Exporting 8.7 MILLION barrels of oil daily and of that the US got 1.27 MILLION barrels daily. We buy 15% of the oil that Saudi Arabia sells. We are by no means the only country that import oil from there. Fox news on Sirius while eating lunch. Of course we refine, but we don't refine enough to keep up with our demand of oil. Of course we have the oil fields in Alaska which will keep us going for many years, not to mention the coal in the mountains of Colorado that can be refined/converted to fuel as well. Hell why not just invade Mexico, take their oil fields and continue to let thousands of their own into the country a day.

[VIPERBLUELX]

Originally posted by Atlanta_Tider
Fox news on Sirius while eating lunch. Of course we refine, but we don't refine enough to keep up with our demand of oil. Of course we have the oil fields in Alaska which will keep us going for many years, not to mention the coal in the mountains of Colorado that can be refined/converted to fuel as well. Hell why not just invade Mexico, take their oil fields and continue to let thousands of their own into the country a day.

The main reason we can't refine enough oil here is because there hasn't been a new refinery built since 1976. You can thank the environmentalists for that.

[VIPERBLUELX]

Originally posted by 287TC'S
Plus if you look at the numbers that really matter the profit margin these oil companies are much smaller than that of things such as pharmacuticals, Home Appliances and several other big companies make tons more in profit than the oil companies. But none the less it does really suck.

Yep, Citigroup, Microsoft, Coca-Cola, Procter & Gamble, and General Electric all showed higher profit %'s than Exxon-Mobil.

[FoMoGO]

Take a look at Brazil; they just announced they are now self sufficient when it comes to oils products. Of course they have been working towards that for several years now.

Btw next time listen to the real news and not the liberal slanted b.s.

[mike460]

Originally posted by Atlanta_Tider
Fox news on Sirius while eating lunch. Of course we refine, but we don't refine enough to keep up with our demand of oil. Of course we have the oil fields in Alaska which will keep us going for many years, not to mention the coal in the mountains of Colorado that can be refined/converted to fuel as well. Hell why not just invade Mexico, take their oil fields and continue to let thousands of their own into the country a day.

Just some food for thought.........
The problem with refining our own reserves and using it is that when it runs out the foreign oil companies have us by the balls. Why use our shit when we can buy someone elses?
Also, Clinton was President when gas jumped up almost 50% in one year, so you don't pin this squarely on the shoulders of Bush. Not that the President is near as all powerful as most peope think anyway.
Finally (and I am definitely not good with this one, its too easy to just drive somewhere) is that the real way to save money on fuel is to conserve it. I am not talking about just one person, ten people, but the whole country. You don't want to pay 3-4 dollars a gallon, then don't use it. I know that this is a strange thing to bring up on a forum about CARS, but it is a point (like I said, I am not good with this one, I just wanna drive).
I guess I better put my flamesuit on....
Mike

[SugarSweet]

Originally posted by 287TC'S
By the way what you people need to remeber it's not the greedy oil companys that make the prices sooo darn high it's the fed and state taxes on the gas. It's like .54¢ a gallon for federal. I'm not sure what state tax is. Plus if you look at the numbers that really matter the profit margin these oil companies are much smaller than that of things such as pharmacuticals, Home Appliances and several other big companies make tons more in profit than the oil companies. But none the less it does really suck.

Exxon mobil just became the most profitable company in history.

Wtf are you talking about?

[287TC'S]

Originally posted by SugarSweet
Exxon mobil just became the most profitable company in history.

Wtf are you talking about?
Theres a difference between a profit and a profit margin go educate yourself.

[SugarSweet]

Originally posted by 287TC'S
Theres a difference between a profit and a profit margin go educate yourself.

There is, however somethings not adding up with the oil companies, if you are too blind to see that , it is not my problem.

[Atlanta_Tider]

Originally posted by FoMoGO
Take a look at Brazil; they just announced they are now self sufficient when it comes to oils products. Of course they have been working towards that for several years now.

Btw next time listen to the real news and not the liberal slanted b.s. If you were referring to me, Fox news is harldy a liberal slanted news outlet.

[287TC'S]

That would be on the part of the oil suppliers not the oil companies who buy their crude. The oil companys are making more but are paying more for crude. Our government has no control over foreign production and pricing. They do how ever have the ability and funds to look for alternatives but they are too worried about loosing environmentalist votes to do so.
Oh and heres your edjumacation.

Let's say that you're selling a widget for $10 and you're making a 10% profit. Your profit is $1.00. Your profit margin is 10%. Now let's say that your costs go up by $9 a widget. So, you double the price at the widget store. Now widgets are selling for $20. Your costs are $18 per widget, so you're making $2.00 on every sale. Your profit has doubled to $2.00 per widget, but your profit margin is still 10%. You're still making the same profit on every dollar that you invest in your business, but your profits have doubled!

[Atlanta_Tider]

Originally posted by VIPERBLUELX
The main reason we can't refine enough oil here is because there hasn't been a new refinery built since 1976. You can thank the environmentalists for that. Thats very true as well, of course Clinton signed a nice bill when he was in office to protect things like this from happening. Either way you look at it, we are paying out the ass while many people are making sickening profits off of us all.

[quickslver50]

somewhere on the net a few months back it was telling about gas prices over seas and it was like 5 or 10 cents per gallon, and they were filling up for something like $2.50 for a whole tank.

that really makes you feel like your fucked w/ no greace.

[Atlanta_Tider]

Originally posted by quickslver50
somewhere on the net a few months back it was telling about gas prices over seas and it was like 5 or 10 cents per gallon, and they were filling up for something like $2.50 for a whole tank.

that really makes you feel like your fucked w/ no greace. That would have been in Iraq, really great feeling!!.

[287TC'S]

Originally posted by quickslver50
somewhere on the net a few months back it was telling about gas prices over seas and it was like 5 or 10 cents per gallon, and they were filling up for something like $2.50 for a whole tank.

that really makes you feel like your fucked w/ no greace.

I'm sure if that is true which I doubt unless it's a third world country who has probably no demand for fuel that they also don't have to change the fuel blends like we do. Also they probably are charged all the taxes per gallon we are either. But that would rock. Even though it may take a few weeks of world boycott of fuel we actually could drive prices back down to around a dollar. Well atleast until we started driving like mad again

[287TC'S]

Well thats enough polotics for me. I think it sucks just like the rest of you and hope we see the end of this soon.

[Psychoholic]

I normally wouldn't even indulge this conversation, but people bring up good points and I just can't help it.

First:

http://www.atlantagasprices.com/

Cheapest places around - great site.

Second:

I like to refer to Exxons Q4 profits in a way that really puts things in perspective 'The highest single quarter profit in the history of money!' (And we aren't talking ebitda either). They are a business and like it or not, they are in business to make their shareholders money (I wish I had gotten in on that one early on, but I don't do stock - I trade currency). Putting windfall taxes in place is only a bandaid and won't do a damn bit of good. What 287TC's pointed out is exactly true (about the widget). If the cost of oil is $69.94 a barrel, then the price goes down from when it was $73.55 a barrel. Oil is about the only industry that can pass along the overhead directly to the consumer in real time. It's kind of neat to watch really, and despite the falling oil price, the EUR/USD pair favored the Euro like crazy today (bouncing off the 1.2700 sell price a couple of times). When the dollar is devalued against the other currencies, the cost of imports to us becomes cheaper on our end and more expensive to export from other countries.

And anybody who believes that oil is a free market, obviously doesn't know the meaning of it. OPEC can set the price of oil to whatever they damned well feel like, and people will keep buying it no matter what. To say that they have increased their cost to coincide with demand is absurd too - I paid $.99 a gallon when I graduated high school in '96, and I highly doubt there has been a 300+% increase in the consumption of oil in the last 10 years (despite them claiming that demand in India and China have skyrocketted, they haven't risen that damned much.). OPEC wants to keep pushing the cost of oil up, and we will suffer for it, Kuwait was trying their damnedest to make sure that it didn't drop below $70 a barrel a couple of weeks ago - and they eventually plan to hit $100 a barrel.

But people want our government to intervene, and what do you want them to do? Start telling companies what price they can set for their goods and services? Tell ExxonMobile how to run a business and to screw over their 2 million stockholders? If they start with that, imagine what would come shortly there after...

Another point that someone brought up that I did want to mention - when do you think the last time some picket holding hippy was able to stop the government from doing anything? Environmentalists can't stop a damned thing from happening - their tactics are crude and ineffective. It's like our government (which of course is controlled by republicans in every branch) saying that the reason legislation isn't going through is because of 'those damned liberal democrats blocking us' - the democrats aren't blocking jack - they don't have enough control to put a stop to things, the GOP is dragging their collective feet and trying to pass the blame of their f'ups on someone else during an off year election. They won't drill in Alaska to keep supply tight. Despite Canada being our primary source of 'foreign' oil we do rely on other parts of the world for oil as well, and we keep the ruling parties at bay with us on a global level by keeping their economies running fat off of our greed for gas. If we need to make a political play against another country, or redline a country into behavior without using force, then we can threaten to not buy oil from them anymore (if we have our own supplies that meet our own needs, then we don't need the other countries, and then the other countries don't depend on us anymore for their thriving economy and they won't listen to us when we go to bargain). Do you think that this shit in Iran has anything to do with Nukes? They wanted to move from the PetroDollar to the PetroEuro, which would remove Iran from holding huge amounts of our currency in reserve and preventing us from holding our deficits at huge losses.

Sorry to have written a book.

Chris

[CrazyNate]

Chris...Class of '96 ROCKS!!!!!!

Amazingly, I remember when I first got my license in '94 the price was around 90 cents per gallon. When I was on Long Island 2 weeks ago, it was $3.17 per gallon...for 87. There was a report of a gas station in Manhatton selling premium 94 octane for...get this...$4.50 per gallon. BULLSH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Screw drilling for oil anywhere. We need to concentrate on turning to Ethanol made from corn and sugarcane. In Brazil, ethanol is sold between 90 cents and 1 dollar a gallon. And, talk about benefits! First, it will boost profits for America's farmers, who really need the profit. Second, if we want to import sugar cane from other countries, we can import it from anyone, especially 3rd world countries. That will help to boost their economies. Third, the tree hugging hippy environmentalists will be happy because producing and burning Ethanol is very much cleaner to the environment than any form of fossil fuel. Fourth, it is renewable year after year. And if there are areas that may not be able to grow it year round, there is something called GREENHOUSES!!!!!

And talk about a way for companies to make money!!!! If the oil industry is so afraid of losing profit from ethanol, they can invest a portion of the billion dollar record profit they are making into this industry and increase their profits even more.

And finally, we can drink ethanol. For those who don't know, ethanol = moonshine!!!! :D We just can't drink E85. that's mixed with gas.

Just some thoughts on a direction we as a world should go. Brazil has the right idea!!! In my opinion, it's just another great idea to come out of that gorgeous country...with only the bikini and (the coup de gras) the BRAZILIAN WAX taking the top two places on that list.

[deathtorice]

Originally posted by Atlanta_Tider
Our wonderful president, whom I voted for is sticking it to us daily. He has made alot of money on oil in his lifetime, and now continues to make even more at the American publics expense. Any of y'all remember how cheap gas was when he took office? Around a buck a gallon, now look at it. Exxon reports the highest earnings ever and we continued to get screwed. We have the resources at home to refine our own oil, but Bush is and has been in bed with the Saudi's for years and continues to profit along with them in the process. Its simple, we are the middle easts biggest customer, if we tell them what we will pay per barrel of oil they should take just that, who else will buy the oil from them in such bulk? No one. Hell 3rd world countries in South America have been refining their oil for years, us, the richest and most technological country in the world cannot do just that.

I have feeling raped in the ass everytime I put $60 worth in the truck.

You are a complete dumb ass. The idea of going into business is what? TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. Of course Exxon has record PROFITS. HELLO! Crude is $74 a barrel. Their profit MARGIN is about the same as always. For those of you too stupid to know what a profit margin is, its what's left over AFTER paying the bills and overhead. The record high gas prices are not Bush's fault. If you think so, you don't deserve to live in a free nation. You lack the mental capacity. The reason prices fluctuate seemingly daily is because every time some rag head mother fucker blows something up in the mid east, the price of crude goes up. Now for those of you who are too stupid to live without the government there to do everything for you, here is a lesson: if you have just bought a tanker load of gas and paid $2.00 a gallon, and you get word that the next shipment will cost you $2.20 a gallon, what are you going to do? Sell what you have for $2, or raise the price on what you have so you can afford to buy more the next shipment? If you want to stay in business, you will immediately raise the price on your current inventory so you can afford the next shipment...regardless of the fact that you only paid $2/gallon. You want to know the reason the prices are high? It is supply and demand. Plain and simple. China and India are exploding economically. The world wide demand has dramatically increased. Production has yet to catch up. It is OPEC who decides how much oil is produced, not ANY political party in the USA. Other factors include the EPA environmentalist lunatics who won't let us drill off the Florida Atlantic and Gulf coast, haven't let us build a new refinery in close to 30 years, and won't let us drill in the area of ANWR that was specifically set aside for oil exploration. Don't forget about their "botique blends" of gas that interrupt the supply and cost additional money. We could also drop the 57 cent a gallon import tax on ethanol. We could make E85 gas stations more available for the tens of millions of cars on the road that are designed to run on it. Then there are the federal and local gas taxes that are about 50 cents a gallon. You want to know what "big oil" makes off the sale of a gallon of gas? About 9 cents. 9 piddly shit cents...while big government makes 5 times that and they don't do a damn thing other than STEAL profits from the oil companies that COULD be used to streamline the refining process or to take the EPA to court to force them to let them drill in ANWR. It's our own fault that we are still dependant on terrorist rag head nations for our oil. And you can thank the environmentalists for it. You want to lower gas prices? DRIVE LESS. SELL YOUR GAS GUZZLER. Decrease the demand, and prices will fall. You don't believe me? Here are numerous links. Still don't believe me? Do the world a favor and kill yourself.

http://www.washtimes.com/business/20060501-123014-6218r.htm

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/oil_how_about_investigating_th.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/05/republicans_running_on_empty.html

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/02/D8HBVFAG0.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193489,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/27/AR2006042701693.html

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/06/front2453851.3097222224.html

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/27/224539.shtml?s=ic

Get out from under the filthy hood of your pointless gas guzzling race cars, quit tuning up that enormous big block or diesel in your tow pig gas guzzler, and read for a change. Until then, shut your dumb ass face.

[BeScurred]

I'm buying a Geo Metro with a 3 cyclinder that won't get out of its own way when I get home...hell It will pay for itself after 3 months...

[modracer]

wow, i wasnt expecting this to turn into a heated debate. i think my orig obsevation got overlooked though as the fact that a guy who owns 2 stations 30 miles apart sells the gas for 25 cents more per gallon in the higher traffic area. obviously he pays the same for it and to take it the 30 miles more costs him more time and money yet he sells it cheaper because he knows the buyers in the area wouldnt pay the higher price as freely as the people in the more populated area. just my observation and opinion.i dont begrudge a guy for trying to make a profit but i think the whole fuel deal under the skin is really a plot by the fuel companies to drive the prices up to rates comparable to higher prices in other countries.

if somebody has the time,try and find the news story that one of the national media sources did a few months ago about how we subsidised fuel in iraq. the story went on to tell how the us brought the fuel over here, refined it ,then transported it back to iraq and sold it to the people for somewhere around 50 cents a gallon. i read it a couple of times and it isnt as clear as it was but it really infuriated me when i read it for the first time.

[deathtorice]

Originally posted by modracer
wow, i wasnt expecting this to turn into a heated debate. i think my orig obsevation got overlooked though as the fact that a guy who owns 2 stations 30 miles apart sells the gas for 25 cents more per gallon in the higher traffic area. obviously he pays the same for it and to take it the 30 miles more costs him more time and money yet he sells it cheaper because he knows the buyers in the area wouldnt pay the higher price as freely as the people in the more populated area. just my observation and opinion.i dont begrudge a guy for trying to make a profit but i think the whole fuel deal under the skin is really a plot by the fuel companies to drive the prices up to rates comparable to higher prices in other countries.

if somebody has the time,try and find the news story that one of the national media sources did a few months ago about how we subsidised fuel in iraq. the story went on to tell how the us brought the fuel over here, refined it ,then transported it back to iraq and sold it to the people for somewhere around 50 cents a gallon. i read it a couple of times and it isnt as clear as it was but it really infuriated me when i read it for the first time.

He sells it for different prices because the high traffic area has higher demand. The higher price helps regulate his supply of gas so he won't run out. If he runs out he is no longer making money. Think about it. 4 gas stations at the intersection, all but one selling for around the same price, then the one selling it for 30 cents cheaper. Everybody will flock to it, and buy all his gas. Then the other 3 stations raise their prices even more, because there is even less supply than before. It's all supply and demand, plain and simple. Supply and demand is the most effective method known to man to regulate the supply of scarce commodities. Here is an example for you using hotel rooms:

A convention is in town, and there is a family on vacation in the same area. Due to the convention, rooms are in high demand. If the hotel keeps the price the same, then that family is more likley to buy a second room for the shit ass rug rats so mommy and daddy can have their own vacation. If the price is higher, they are more likley to get a single room, thus leaving more rooms free for convention attendees. As I said, supply and demand is a regulation tool for the free market. It works beautifully with no government intervention.

[modracer]

i was also told off the record by a local independant guy that this guy controlled the terminal for the area as well and when the independent bought his 2 stations a few months ago and came in beating the other guys prices, his fuel supply dried up and he was made to pay more where he couldnt compete. i think he finally gave up on trying to play the price war and doesnt even sell fuel at his convienence store now. just cheap cigarettes and beer and stuff. i know there were periods of weeks where he was without prior.

[deathtorice]

Maybe he needs to find a new supplier. That illustrated my point tho...he was selling for less, and ran out. Now he lost all gas selling revenue.

[287TC'S]

You know the funny thing about e85 is that they say cars that can use it. I have read somewhere that all cars since the early to mid 80s have the correct fuel lines and systems to correctly deliver e85 (e85 is stated to be more corrosive than petroleum products) It said that any fuel system that has plastic lined fuel lines which most fuel injected vehicles do that it would work. I also read that other than being corrosive it lacks lubricants that petroluem has. This is when you add some Marvel Mystery Oil for pump and injector lubrication. Anyone else have more info on this.

[Atlanta_Tider]

Originally posted by 287TC'S
You know the funny thing about e85 is that they say cars that can use it. I have read somewhere that all cars since the early to mid 80s have the correct fuel lines and systems to correctly deliver e85 (e85 is stated to be more corrosive than petroleum products) It said that any fuel system that has plastic lined fuel lines which most fuel injected vehicles do that it would work. I also read that other than being corrosive it lacks lubricants that petroluem has. This is when you add some Marvel Mystery Oil for pump and injector lubrication. Anyone else have more info on this. I was informed by Toyota the other day that next year a few vehicles will be able to run on E85. Same day I also received a memo saying a few 2006-2007 Camry's are experiencing some driveablilty concerns by people who have used this fuel on accident in various parts of the country. I think a few of Fords flex fuel vehicles will run just fine on E85.

[Atlanta_Tider]

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[CrazyNate]

Originally posted by 287TC'S
You know the funny thing about e85 is that they say cars that can use it. I have read somewhere that all cars since the early to mid 80s have the correct fuel lines and systems to correctly deliver e85 (e85 is stated to be more corrosive than petroleum products) It said that any fuel system that has plastic lined fuel lines which most fuel injected vehicles do that it would work. I also read that other than being corrosive it lacks lubricants that petroluem has. This is when you add some Marvel Mystery Oil for pump and injector lubrication. Anyone else have more info on this.

Due to different compression ratios and other changes to motors, non-"Flex Fuel" vehicles can not run E85. They can, however, run E15 which is 15% ethanol. Many pumps throughout the MidWest sell E15.

[Skeeveman]

Yeah, E15 was just starting to get known back in March'ish when I lived in kansas. By the time I had moved to Georgia in October of last year, during those few months, it was really popular. Not to the point that people were raving about it, but most of the stations in SE ks had a pump that offered it. Depending on the price war/gouging time, it was anywhere between 10-15 cents cheaper then 89 octane, and that's what it was rated at also.

[287TC'S]

Originally posted by CrazyNate
Due to different compression ratios and other changes to motors, non-"Flex Fuel" vehicles can not run E85. They can, however, run E15 which is 15% ethanol. Many pumps throughout the MidWest sell E15.

Hmm thats interesting. Do you know what the compression ratio requirements would be. It is alcohol it should be able to be used in high compression engines as it should burn slower and have a higher anti-knock rating premium fuel.

[287TC'S]

Here are a couple of things I have read on E85 and alternative fuels that you may find interesting.

http://www.turboford.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=041264#000001

http://www.turboford.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=019151#000000

http://www.turboford.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=019124;p=2

[modracer]

Originally posted by deathtorice
Maybe he needs to find a new supplier. That illustrated my point tho...he was selling for less, and ran out. Now he lost all gas selling revenue. you can argue your point however you like but you are overlooking the obvious to try and proove your point. he was frozen out by a controling supplier.find a new supplier eh, easier said then done, its not like buying tires or something simple where everybody and their brother is a supplier. had he played "good" and sold it with the same rediculous markup he could have all the fuel he wanted. its the same principle as 2 weeks ago when one of the owners of a mexican car lot came by and said they were putting a boycot list together of all the business who chose not to close last monday and that if the lot wasnt closed, it would suffer a great loss in business. business is more then supply and demand. a book educated person can argue "business" principles all day long but a person who is in business for themself has seen and been through a lot more then college can ever prepare a person for. point in fact, look at all the people with college degrees who are having to wait tables and do entry level jobs to pay their bills. a college degree doesnt guarantee you of anything if you cant find the right opportunity.