Street Racing worth it?

[00Evan]

I'm beginning to wonder if street racing is even worth the risks involved. I myself am beginning to think not. It was fun for a while, I whuped up on quite a few cars. Now I am wondering what I have left to prove with my NA Z? What do you guys think, is street racing worth it?
-00Evan
:feedback:

[corksZ28]

Well, I hear where you are comin from evan.
The reason I mod my car and pour money into it, is for a hobby. I started out racing rc cars, but now have moved up to real cars. I like just hangin out at night and talkin 'bout cars and racing in general. I like the street racing scene a lot! The way I look at it, if you got a nice car, you don't have to prove anything. I'm in it for the hobby
But, hey highschool drag night is on my schedule!
Cork

[00Evan]

Exactly, I am in it because, customizing cars is a hobby and passion of mine. I like hanging out with the people they are really cool. But as far as racing my car, I am not sure I am going to anymore. Beating a turbo supra :rockon: is a good enough accomplishment for the Z. I think I understand where smrz is coming from now. :pimp:

-00Evan

[corksZ28]

What did smrz say?
Cork

[00Evan]

The fact that he doesnt want to race his vette on the street because he doesnt have anything to prove and he doesnt want to risk ****ing his car up or getting caught.
-00Evan

[Meng's_Supra]

well to me, street racing is life. I race but don't bring dumbasses that don't race along. But the only thing that i race is fast cars. Not dumbasses who thinks there cars are fast...No point in proving.

[corksZ28]

good point meng
I will know where to find you in a year or two after high school
Summer time, madison import scene
Cork

[00Evan]

I used to think street racing was my life too, but I also dont have the money to stick into it to make my car incredibly fast. No doubt racing is a good time and a lot of fun. And the friends I have made racing are awesome. It's just wrecking both of my Zs has sorta served as a wake up call that maybe I should take it easy for a while. I say this now, but I am sure after I get my car fixed and summer rolls around I will be saying a different thing.
-00Evan

[slowashellvette]

:wtf: is to what am i gonna do with my car???? :drunk: :drunk: :drunk:
me myself I i'm gonna sell the damn car :waveby: why the hell is everything :gay2:

who wants my car????? anyone??? best offer :rock:

[00Evan]

I'll trade you straight up as of right now, my car for your car. How bout it eric? :cross:
As for a serious answer. I'd keep your car, I know how much that car means to you man. It'd be a shame to see you sell it before your dream is realized. If it takes you a few years to get everything done, so what? When you get it back you'll have something to be proud of. My advice to you is: dont go for everything at once, seperate your mods into different stages. Go for one stage at a time, that way you wont have as much to pay off right away. Then when you're done you'll be able to do this...



:ricer: :piss:

-00Evan

[corksZ28]

Eric, evan is right, take one step at a time...
But c'mon, $14,000 for a 383 and a new supercharger set up...you are getting owned by that guy...You can build a good 383 for only a few grand.......I know someone who would have been happy to get that new motor in there for cheap, and does good, reliable work.

[00Evan]

Yeah eric, you should really consider either doing the work yourself, I'd be happy to help, or shopping around a bit. Personally I dont think mike knows what the f**k he is doing when he can't even wire up an ignition amplifier without having the wires in the way of the headlights. Seems to me if he actually knew anything about cars he would have zip tied the wires to a main cross member of the car, not left them hanging. Sure he corrected it, but did he get it right the first time? I have a feeling that maybe some of your other problems are not from the SC but from mikes inexperience. You should be able to run 10psi of boost on your stock engine. Its a corvette for christ sake. Hondas can take it yet a vette can't? Something seems fishy.
-00Evan

[slowashellvette]

:drunk: yep..............mike knows alot about cars and so do I.....everyone knows that you can't have a high compression ratio and run 10+ pounds of boost, right??? that is unless you didn't know what boost does. but if you think that you (anyone) are right and i'm not.........please feel free to prove me different. i'd like to know what kind of nasa parts you are using to achive a stock 20 : 1 compression with 60 pounds of boost :drunk:
Maybe i'll strap a rocket up to my car and then i'll move.....with all 20,000,000 pounds of thrust. then my 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile time will be the same cause i'll be traveling at the speed of ****ing light which is hmmmmmmmm let me see 669,600,000 mph. well, talk to ya'll later :drunk: yeeeee haw!!!!!:40: :cheers: :bsflag: :chicken:

[corksZ28]

Eric is right,
the lt1 motor's compression is already high, you need head and internal work to get 10 pounds of boost,
also a 4cylinder is smaller compared to a 350

[00Evan]

I'm still skeptical. I'm not saying mike doesnt know what he is doing but I have my doubts. Honda vtec compression ratios are 11:1 and you can run 10psi on them.
-00Evan

[Meng's_Supra]

Or buy a civic , wait buy my civic.come on help a friend out..electric supercharged already..i heard it runs 12's at the track..yeah my civic come on eric..i'll trade what about that lol..
hahahaha

[blitzjdm]

Originally posted by 00Evan
I'm beginning to wonder if street racing is even worth the risks involved. I myself am beginning to think not. It was fun for a while, I whuped up on quite a few cars. Now I am wondering what I have left to prove with my NA Z? What do you guys think, is street racing worth it?
-00Evan
:feedback:

Haha....you have an NA Z....what a tool. You don't street race cause you don't ever win. Your car is worth less than my wheels.......get a real job and get a real car........

[blitzjdm]

I think you have to prove you can beat a real car......sorry....not to sound hostile but an NA Z is nothing to brag about. Any of my 3 cars would hand you your ass. Oh yeah, before anyone says "Oh he doesn't even have a supra" go to i-supra or supraforums or go around Madison where I'm originally from and ask......trust me......most of the Madison supra owners know me and the shops know me as well.

[SilVip1jzgte]

Originally posted by 00Evan
I'm beginning to wonder if street racing is even worth the risks involved. I myself am beginning to think not. It was fun for a while, I whuped up on quite a few cars. Now I am wondering what I have left to prove with my NA Z? What do you guys think, is street racing worth it?
-00Evan
:feedback:

not to start a flame here, but isnt that what you always do? i mean so far everytime i come up there thats all you do is race. You can go around and say you beat me a few times, i dont mind. Come to madison where the real cars are...

[00Evan]

OK PABLO!
Let me know when you get that euro spec 1JZ swapped in. HAHAHA

-00Evan

[slowashellvette]

yeah..........the real cars are up here (stevens point/plover) i have new mufflers on my toyota so watch out (your in for a real treat :drunk:) i think i knocked my quarter mile down alot about 14 cars or so. can't wait to see the difference in the quarter mile when i re-inflate my tires. i thought all tires were run flats. i only race the fastest cars in the land with my all-mighty ride.:dumbass: .......well i gotta jet. note to every one.....never monkey shift :jack: :knob:

WHITE POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SilVip1jzgte]

Originally posted by 00Evan
OK PABLO!
Let me know when you get that euro spec 1JZ swapped in. HAHAHA

-00Evan

euro ey? never knew japan was in europe. should get your places straight. the 1jz came in the soarer, which was in the europe area...but im not getting a soarer front clip.....im getting a supra front clip...from orin on supraforums...hell, go ask him..he'll back me 100% that im gettin it and that its coming from japan..moron

[00Evan]

Originally posted by blitzjdm
I think you have to prove you can beat a real car......sorry....not to sound hostile but an NA Z is nothing to brag about. Any of my 3 cars would hand you your ass. Oh yeah, before anyone says "Oh he doesn't even have a supra" go to i-supra or supraforums or go around Madison where I'm originally from and ask......trust me......most of the Madison supra owners know me and the shops know me as well.

Honda accord, Plymoth Laser, those are some cars to brag about. And you proved your ignorance by insulting Zs. Fu(king grow up. When will you idiots realize Zs are a car to be recconed with. And as far as your post about your wheels costing more, I refuse to believe you spent 8k on rims. If you did you're even more retarded. Since you obviously need a bit of education. Slicktop Zs are rare. There werent many made. They are all NAs. They weigh about 500-600lbs less than a TT. Swap in a TT with the NA differential and you have a car that will run mid 13s, STOCK. I wasnt bragging about my car, yeah its NA, yeah its not super fast, its quick. But damn does it look nice, and damn will it be fast. Until you move to central wisconsin, I dont think anyone gives a rats ass about what you have to say.

[SilVip1jzgte]

DOOD, EVAN...YOU BOUGHT YOUR CAR FOR $3000 YOU DUMB FUCK....you should choose your friends wisely cuz lots of em talk behind your back....
i still find that funny that you said your exhaust cost's 1/3rd of my supra...yet its the same for you....lol

[00Evan]

Originally posted by SilVip1jzgte
euro ey? never knew japan was in europe. should get your places straight. the 1jz came in the soarer, which was in the europe area...but im not getting a soarer front clip.....im getting a supra front clip...from orin on supraforums...hell, go ask him..he'll back me 100% that im gettin it and that its coming from japan..moron

You obviously missed the point. :dumbass: As far as the supra front clip goes...:bsflag:
-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

like i said..goto supraforums and ask orin, the guy who gets the frontclips and who is in the process of getting me the frontclip....guess your just gonna have to wait and see

about N/A to TT z's running stock 13's? now that is B.S. what would i do without you evan....my life would be sooooo dull...but yoru there to make me laugh

[00Evan]

This message board isnt for your homosexual bickering marcus, if you wanna talk shit, message me on ICQ. Hey I have a solution to our conflict.
:3way:
HAHA
-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

homosexual bickering..lol....and you have a GF right? no..you dont..my bad...you dont have good luck with girls lol...

[00Evan]

:bj:
oops I think I got some in your eye marcus.
-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

lol...dood, just grow up already...
quit useing words pussy...
your more the gay type, since well, you have no luck with girls...your better off with guyz. they'd please you more...i could see you being someones bitch...hardcore style

[blitzjdm]

Well you seem to have forgotten to include my Supra. Your NA Z is a piece of crap. If you had a TT Z then yes it would be a nice car. Its not my fault you're poor. My fucking car insurance is probably more annually than your fucking income. My Laser and my Accord are both faster than an NA Z....sorry....but you don't know what you are talking about. You paid 8000 for a NA Z......congratulations, that guy is laughing his ass off at you for paying almost quadruple what that piece of crap is worth. Your car is heavier than my Supra and has about 500 hp less......cool....from what I hear you got shitty luck with girls.....I got girls coming up to me all the time to talk to me. Right now I'm trying to hook up with this Hawaiian Tropic model. I am a better person than you.....I'm rich, you're poor....I have fast cars, you have slow cars.......I get girls....you use Jergen's body lotion to jack off. A NA swapped to a TT will not be as fast or have the potential of a regular TT. Also, your car is rare because most of them are in a junkyard. Your car isn't fast, glad you agree, your car although isn't quick either. My Honda has 9000 under the hood....and its quick.....my laser is almost completely stock.....its quick....my Supra.....is FAST.......not only do I have better cars and more money than you......I also have a way better body. I took 10 years of multiple martial arts and was a linebacker in football through HS. I lift weights every day, so don't even say shit. You want to race me with your rust bucket crap mobile.....you aren't even worthy of getting spanked by a Supra....hell, you don't even get the Honda....I dunno if you are even worthy to race the Laser....I know....I'll let you race my roomate's Supercharged z28 camaro.....he'll piss whip you too.

[00Evan]

Get your facts straight, then reply to me. There's so much bullshit in that post I can see it spewing out your ears.
-00Evan

[blitzjdm]

I fail to see where the bullshit is......if you don't believe I am what I say I am or that I have what I say I have.....come down to Madison sometime. Your NA Z is slow and heavy. That is a fact. Although yes you are correct the TT is heavier, the TT is still a lot faster. I respect Zs......I might one day have one but its hard to find a good condition 2+2. Also, I've heard a lot of crap about you so I'm pretty sure most of my other facts are straight. You are honestly rice, you are claiming your car is quick when it isn't. You think my honda wasn't quick? I swapped in a full F20B Sir-T motor from a Euro Accord, Type-S tuned ECU, JDM Prelude Header, full Tanabe Racing Medallion exhaust with no cats. DC Sports sport shifter and bushings, Stage 2 clutch, and an Injen Cool air intake......so yes, the accord is faster than your NA Z......The Supra is BPU +++ and is soon going to be upgraded with a big single turbo....haven't decided yet if I'm going T66 or maybe the T78 setup.....that car would just simply eat your Z alive by about 20 car lengths......but I'm sure you already knew Supras were fast since you don't seem to be disputing that fact. My Laser....AWD + Turbo = faster than a NA battleship sized car. For your information the turbo model of the Z only ran 15s stock.....so with your minor mods on your NA you are in the low 16s possibly high 15s if you are a skilled driver. My laser runs in the low 15s.......so yes all my cars are faster. Anyways.....whatever....it doesn't matter

[blitzjdm]

Although I am selling the Accord now because I'm pissed of the amount of cash I had to drop into it to make it even quick. I don't really want to be a honda owner anymore.....I'll stick to being an arrogant Supra owner. Come to a real car forum like Supraforums or a real car forum or something.....see what people have to say about your NA Z........start going off about how you've had all these great street races in a NA Z....see how many people laugh at you. Go to speedoptions.com....I know you know what that is, everytime you open a magazine with cars in it, there is a speedoptions sticker on it.....I'm one of the top dawgs on that site as well......hell, even go to the Z forum.......post on ls1.com, i-supra, racingflix, dsmtalk, racingknowledge......any of those sites, and start cockin off about your NA Z....see how many people laugh at you. I wouldn't have even ripped on you if you hadn't said stuff about how fast your Z is......and from what I also hear from point people....you think that car is godly.....thats what I don't like.....people with slow cars that think they are fast are just ricers and give import people a bad name. Get a respectable car and then there won't be anything to rip on you about. No, I don't mean Zs are not respectable....they are....but not NA Zs.....they are just laughable.

[00Evan]

You want a good condition 2+2 eh? You just proved my point ]=)
:dumbass:
-00Evan

[blitzjdm]

Um....what point? They made 2 seaters and 2+2 as well. The 2+2 became more popular

[blitzjdm]

Here is a 2+2....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401032540&category=6398

and here is a 2 seater.......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401122428&category=6398

I don't get exactly what you were saying before about me being a dumbass........unless 2+2 means something else I am aware of, I guess it could because different areas call things differently I suppose.....

[00Evan]

You say NA Zs are a piece of crap and that they arent fast at all, and then you say you want a 2+2, which was only an NA. Hmm right.
Also on your statistics
Toyota Supra MKIV TT - 3450lbs
Nissan 300zx NA with t-tops (slicktop weighs less) - 3219lbs
yep my car really weighs a lot more.

and hmm a 300zx Twin turbo runs a 15 eh? Maybe you should stop looking up Z31 stats dumb shit

300zx Twin Turbo - 13.9 - 14.2 stock depending on driver
300zx NA - 14.9 - 15.4 stock depending on driver.

Now you know the real stats. Go look them up at www.z32.org
or www.300zxforums.com
-00Evan

[00Evan]

If you have an instant messenger program message me. I wanna chat without the lag
ICQ - 93325249
MSN - xxim_00Evan@hotmail.com
AIM - ridec4bmx

[blitzjdm]

As far as the 2+2 only coming in NA.....I did not know that. Are you sure about that? No you are still wrong they do not run 13.9-14.2 stock....well maybe 14.2 if it is an awesome driver with perfect conditions, but in everyday conditions it goes in the 15s....same as the MKIV TT has done 12.9 in stock trim but thats with an awesome pro driver in perfect conditions, most Supra TTs stock will see maybe 13.9 or so in regular conditions. I didn't say your car weighs more, I just said it was heavy. Yes I know my car weighs as much as a tank as well......but I also have significantly more HP than you do. Also the 300zx TT weighs more like 3500 pounds, not 3200...http://www.supercarstats.com/car/exotic-stats/nissan_300zx_twin_turbo.shtml and stock mid 80s Z turbo has 200 hp.....I don't know what the NA has but I'm willing to bet it is less. VG30 engine goes 0-60 in like 6+ seconds...don't know the quarter mile times but somehow I doubt it could be considered quick. Also another thing....I am confused....what car are we talking about? Are we tlaking about the newer early to mid 90s Z cars or are we talking about yours? There is a difference in the engines of those cars in the NA and the TT.......anyways, I'll reply tomorrow....I'm going out

[SilVip1jzgte]

goto car&driver and trend motorsports, i think they know just a lil more than you do evan. TT z's are not all that fast, i dont know why you keep saying they are. compair them to a TT supra. i do have to say they are good looking cars and thats about it. i wouldnt mind a tt z but they have iron blocks and aluminum heads. i like the supra because of its bulletproof blocks CAST iron, not just iron. we too have aluminum heads which is great. i have respect for all cars, even your na z. i dont know why you go off saying you repect other cars yet you always say supra's suck, yet they are far more superior than a z. i think its YOU who needs to respect other vehicles and not just YOUR car you worm.

[SilVip1jzgte]

lol, my friend here is laughing his ass off. Lang's older brother to be exact. I know you met Lang before, meng knows him pretty well, guyz from wausau. he was laughing at your post bout na to tt swap running stock 13's...he said you are gonna be LUCKY..even with a pro driver to get low to mid 14's. i think he knows a lil more too bout z's than you, since well, he went to school for it and studied them just as well as supra's. this is funny as hell man....

[00Evan]

You are retarded, show me where it says a 300zx TT runs 15s..
Oh wait, they dont, cause my NA runs low 15s, 14.7 according to the g-tec
-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

HAHA..YOU USE G-TECH....OH MY GOD...NOW THAT IS RICE. do you know how inacurate that thing is. WoW. take it to a track and youll see how slow your car is. i know for a fact that my car runs a lil faster that high 14's..well..i beat you so there is one proof and well, a stock MKIII runs mid to low 14's.
wow, and you call me rice for no exhaust...wait..i have one now full 3" from the turbo elbow all the way back

[00Evan]

I never said it was accurate, notice I said my car runs low 15s, or a 14.7 according to the g-tech, its just something tom hille and i fucked around with one night. And if your car runs mid to low 14s then it should beat stock Twin Turbo Zs, according to your statistics at least. hmmm seems like theres a lot of contradictions there.
-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

Well actually it can beat a stock TT....called lag...i mean, a v-6 doesnt produce as much as a L-6....there turbo's are small as well....
how bout this....ill go and find those video's i had that had stock cars (MKIII-T, MKIV-TT, 300ZX-TT, and a NSX-T). youll beable to see the real times from professionals.....just lettin you know..its gonna hurt ya to see hte 300ZX-TT not run as fast as you think

[00Evan]

hey ya fucking moron z32s have an inline 6, so eat shit. You're so retarded, learn something about cars before you talk shit. and if you can beat a TT 300zx with your car, I know someone for you to race.
-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

what year? it best be stock
they only have 278ft-torque.....the 1jz has more...and HAHA..its .5l smaller with smaller turbo's..whats up with that?
i gots new tires so hey, im up for it..hell ill give him an advantage...hwy run...where the TT matters

[SilVip1jzgte]

btw, my bad..didnt know they have L-6 in em..thought it was v6...oh well shows i really car bout nissan huh

[00Evan]

whatever, doesnt matter. I am selling my car and buying a toyota anyways. You're right, Zs suck.

-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

so more on this 300zx-tt...i wanna race it. if its stock of course...if its modded to a certain spec then i wont cuz ill know the outcome. but from what ppl on supraforums are saying is that a stock 300zx-tt will not be a supra modded like mine. nor will a stock 300zx-tt beat a mkIV-tt. the only thing i can say it can beat is a stock mkIII with 1jz. 1jz definatly has the launch (ceramic blades=faster spool) but not much on top.

[Meng's_Supra]

Come on guys give it a break..what about some lovin lol :gaga:

[00Evan]

haha no shit. :3way: how bout it marcus?

-00Evan

[00Evan]

Ok turns out I was wrong about one thing, Zs are V6s, I was fooled by the dual inline 3 design, the intake manifold looks like it could be a straight 6. Anyways, here's the cold hard facts about a 300zx TT vs a MKIV TT. Enjoy ;)

"here are the cold facts:
I am tired of hearing AND seeing Supras getting all the publicity and hype. HYPE thats exactly it is, Dont for one minute believe that our Z's are inferior in anyway to the Toyota Supra MK IV(im not going to trash talk about the appearance or anything i am just stating thr facts!!)
I dont need to give anyone the history about these two rivals.. it is well documented and old news. What i will say is before your mind starts pondering all kinds of thoughts let me just assure you. The VG30DETT is a stronger MOTOR than the 2JG-GTE period!!!
I know i know your probably thinking im full of it huh?
How could a V-6 be stronger than an inline 6? Well being Extremely familiar with both the Dyno and internals of both engines i have no doubt.
See in simple terms just try to think logically here ok?
VG30- BORE/STROKE 3.43 X 3.27(Tip-1995 Bore a bit bigger)
2JG- BORE/STROKE 3.39 X 3.39
Alot of people dont know that our bore is larger!
and as you know that equals TORQUE
Where the Toyota loses bore and torque it makes it up in its inline design which is known to have more torque than the V configuration.
Now the design of the Intake Plenum should give you a hint of the superior thinking and design of Nissan.
Yes the Toyota is an inline-6 and cant have a dual plenum but that is the price you pay for being "The Japanese Copycat" and trying not to look to much like the Z.Toyota had to have a different engine just to separate itself from the Nissan which was designed and released in 1990 vs. 1993 and a half.(the half year was because the engineers had to go back to the drawing board due to the original design planned for 1993, that was scrapped and redesigned at the last minute to have better performance numbers than the Z.)
Having the dual plenum is part of the dual inline 3 design.
(if you notice the Z is full of symetry from the engine down to the interior.) This benefits the engine greatly on the top-end rpm's as well as being very effecient.
This when combined with seperate dual turbos and true dual exaust demonstrates the powerband to great degree.
the Z is rated at 300@6400rpm(230 rwhp)283@3600rpm(95 model 245rwhp!)
The Supra 320@5600 315@4000.
Which powerband do you logically think is more of a top-end design? one that has its rated peak at 5600rpm or 6400rpm?
I know you read that the Supra is ALOT stronger by all magazines that are for the general public(Road and Track/MotorTrend/Car and Driver). They want you to believe that the Supra runs 0-60 4.6 and 1/4 mile 13.5@106.5mph.
And that the Z ONLY runs 0-60 5.5 1/4 mile 13.9@102mph?
Now how do you figure a vehicle that has a Powerband that starts at 4000rpm with alot of lag and is geared with a 3.27 rear-end out accelerate a powerband that starts at 3600rpm with a quicker spool up and is geared with a deeper 3.69 rear end.
I know your saying but the Toyota has more boost 11.0psi vs 9.0psi and has 20more h.p.
Dont be so sure about these times..... Those of us who have been at the track can testify that even the 6spd models do not run NEAR those times and are really inconsistent.
As we have seen the Supra runs on the avg around 13.8-14.2@102-104mph.This is with 320hp and 11.0psi! The Z's run around the same times with ONLY 300 and 9.0psi Why?
Because the VG30 does not rely on so much boost due to the more effecient design(better inhailing and exhailing)and stronger motor. When modified you will notice that the Supra needs around 18psi of boost to achieve the same hp the Z does at 15-16psi.The only and i mean only reason the Supra has higher dyno numbers is simple its because of the stock 550cc injectors, which have more capacity than the 370cc Z injectors.They dont need very much to be strong all they need to do is crank the boost no fuel problems. The Z runs out of fuel capacity at around 350rwhp(420)This causes the Supra to surpass us sooner thats all. Dont be alarmed because all the Z owner needs to do(and should be considered mandatory)is upgrade those Damn injectors to 555cc. Then it is level playing ground no advantages!(the Toyota Turbos are not Significantly larger to overtake the Nissan engine design.)This is where The hype stops and the Facts are brought to light!!!
See for yourself take a 300ZX with all the basic mods and 555cc at 19psi . Now take a "BPU" Supra with 22psi and witness the theory in reality. The Z will run higher trap speeds with the stock turbos than will the Supra with stock turbos and 22psi.It has been proven time and time again!!!
If you still dont believe me just take it from the Former Chief Editor for Motor Trend "In 1993 Toyota had been sending cheater samples to the media to get better performance numbers".
I hope this shed some light on this matter that is long overdue. If you have any doubts the only way to prove them wrong is to sacrifice (1000-1500 dollars on 555cc injectors)
and prove to the media and racing scene that the Z has to be respected!!
writen by "GRVNZ"at twin turbo.net"

Theres the facts. Whatever shit you wanna say about that, I dont care. I'm tired of hearing your made up bullshit so this is my last reply.


-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

if you notice this cracksmoker is talking about a 2jg-gte...im talking a 2jz-gte, 2 completely diff. motors. he's talking bout ONE Z engine. bring up a Z car that has stock internals running over 800hp...SW from supraforums was running 1000hp+ with a stock bottom end (crank, rods, pistons, rings, seals, etc..). ive never seen a Z car come close to running stock bottom end like that. the supra engines have what is called a bulletproof block (cast iron) as compaired to the Z which only has an iron block..not cast iron.
The Z has its top end hp real close to redline as where the supra has its top hp farther away from redline. the Z has to shift pretty much when it has its top hp which then looses boost...unlike the supra, where it can use its top hp a lil more giving the advantage. HELL, look at warren chang, he just added a turbo kit and got 700+ out of his car(s).

now like i said before, where is the stock 300zx TT that you said would race me? ill even use one of my friends stock 1994 supra and race the Z and show you that the supra will win. its been done before and will be done again.

[00Evan]

You said your MKIII would beat it, not a MKIV.
Whatever, I am done arguing, yep, supras are superior, for now *evil grin*
-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

no i said ill race him with my car. then ill race him with a stock MKIV....

[Meng's_Supra]

Guys..guys..come on..take a chill pill..:ricer: put the :typer: in it and be happy :D .

[00Evan]

Exactly, like I said before. I'm done.

-00Evan

[SilVip1jzgte]

that post you posted is some guyz opinion..ONLY AN OPINION lol
Bore = horsepower
Stroke = torque (which is that PUSH in the back you feel under acceleration)
WHAT IS HE SMOKING....MORE TORQUE WITH BIGGER BORE? wow
the size difference is so small as to be a non-issue. Does a Z have forged internals? NO IT DOESNT unlike the supra. How much power can you squeeze out of a stock Z internals? The V6 design inherintly lends itself to more torque off the line, but loses power as revs increase, as opposed to the I6 design, which continues making more power until redline.
you said i know nothing bout cars...if i didnt i would not have known that bigger bore=hp....DUH...
if you ever noticed all the shit i have said before to you bout cars was done jokingly....someone like me growing up with cars (uncle is a rebuilder) and i have helped him before and watched as he ripped apart his engine, milled, bored, you name it...and now it runs high 11's on all motor that he did by himself. i think its YOU who needs to research a lil more....
and how he says that the supra was copying the 300zx? right...they had plans in 1988 to make the MKIV with the design they have today. toyota was using the I-6 design in the late 70's in the MKI supra with the 5m engine....so how could they try and copy nissan if they were first with the I-6. why would they switch to the american style V-6?

[Meng's_Supra]

Guys chill out.. :cheers: up and :bow: forget about it..:rice:

[00Evan]

Hey blitzjdm, you're no where to be found on speedoptions.com
-00Evan

[Meng's_Supra]

:wall:

[00Evan]

:peace:

[SilVip1jzgte]

try this name
munky_xsentrix
street dreams cutoms?......:rice: :lame:

[00Evan]

Someone should lock this thread.

[SilVip1jzgte]

HAHA
:tool: :tool: