Maybe I'm just optimistic..........LOW 12's this summer? [Archive] - Street Car Forums - auto forum uniting car and race enthusiast everywhere!

TonyBolton

12-20-2003, 09:02 PM

Takes 260-280whp to run 12's(in a Mustang)in the 1/4 with proper gearing/tires/suspension. Just food for thought.......

I never said I'd trap 160 or anything, probably closer to 108-110-ish. Thats only like 8.2 in the 1/8th.

Haterz :jerkit:

Maximuscr31

12-20-2003, 09:14 PM

i am not a hater.....you will have to have a really nice set of gears, good slicks, and a super good suspension. It is possible, but it will have to be a perfect run. have you had your car dynoed yet? Typically a car will have close to what is estimated but there are also to many real world conditions and circumstances to factor in. But with a bone stock gt with just suspension and drivetrain upgrades it will be very hard to do what your trying to hit. I say you will break high to mid 13's at best . Not hating but being honest.

SparkyTsi

12-20-2003, 09:30 PM

Maximuscr31 Don't take him to seriously, it will only cause you grief later

Maximuscr31

12-20-2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by SparkyTsi
Maximuscr31 Don't take him to seriously, it will only cause you grief later

ok..sparky.

BANDIT

12-20-2003, 10:59 PM

You'll run 12's with some gears and slicks… it's all in the 60 foot

not cbring

12-20-2003, 11:03 PM

kickass! :hail:

in other news, i picked out a 5 gallon air tank at Northern today.

TonyBolton

12-20-2003, 11:04 PM

Hmmm, i sure hope with SOME form of suspension, SOME form of HP-increase I will be able to find .4 or .5 seconds in the 1/8th mile. :rolleyes: If im running 8.64's with a stock GT with a K&N, I'd sure hope with about an extra 30whp on top of my 231whp DYNO that I should be able to run that.

This isnt Ricer-ville where you hafta turbo/increase boost and make 400whp to run low 13's. :jerkit:

TonyBolton

12-20-2003, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by BANDIT
You'll run 12's with some gears and slicks… it's all in the 60 foot

I guess the saying is TRUE......."It takes one to know one!" (Domestic driver :D )

Im pushing a best 1.78 60 so far, with 1.83's being more common, I should be able to knock on the 12's with the crap in the closet. Im trying to add the things to the car that would help both AUTOX/RR'ing and Dragracing. Im finding there are alota compromises out there, it seems to be great for one, shitty for the other. My spring choices are going to hurt me the most I fear, and when it comes down to it, im gonna go the route that favors the corner-carving. :nod:

BANDIT

12-20-2003, 11:11 PM

Hey Tony… I think some of us from HPT will be going down to Steele in January. You should come down. I'm sure you'll break into the 12's there.

TonyBolton

12-20-2003, 11:14 PM

Ive been lurking over there, and I thought I posted that I'd like to go?! I suppose I should go re-read the post and chime in when necessary.

Thanks for the invite,
Tony

BANDIT

12-20-2003, 11:23 PM

You might want to consider removing your front sway bar when you drag race… might help out some.

Maximuscr31

12-20-2003, 11:29 PM

good luck tony....hope you break into the 12's.

TonyBolton

12-20-2003, 11:31 PM

.......I've been just loosening the endlinks(like finger loose), but if to travel to a 1/4 track, I will do just that........remove it! Im almost at the point of buying some 15x5's or 15x3's for the front as well. The huge 9.5's up front with 275 rubber don't really cut it for straight line stuff. Ive got my space saver spare, wonder if anyone there would let me use one theirs for the time being? We'll see.....

Hopefully by 1/10/04, I should have the battery wired up and dropped in the trunk as well. It's kinda a "good for DRAG, good for RR" mod.

By the way.....I did put up a reply on that thread. I believe one person lives in Farragut, and said that Steele is 197miles from his driveway, so that means it should be about 10-15 less miles for me in Loudon! :banana:

Maximuscr31

12-20-2003, 11:32 PM

i may have to go also.Will have to check what day it is and if i can get off from work or not

TonyBolton

12-20-2003, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Maximuscr31
good luck tony....hope you break the 12's.

Hmmm, I see 2 things wrong with that statement!

You left out the word DONT between "you" and "break"

You typed after "break"

I hope I don't break anything either. :crossed:

Maximuscr31

12-20-2003, 11:43 PM

I really dont know why you have such a attitude problem. I really hope you can run a 12.xx whatever run. Good for you if you do.

BANDIT

12-20-2003, 11:46 PM

I'm gonna run 11's or bring this car back home in a box.

Maximuscr31

12-20-2003, 11:56 PM

I think you can make it bandit....... into a box ;)

BANDIT

12-21-2003, 12:11 AM

Only thing that might break is the rearend. GM screwed the f-body when they put a 10 bolt rearend in it.

Maximuscr31

12-21-2003, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by BANDIT
Only thing that might break is the rearend. GM screwed the f-body when they put a 10 bolt rearend in it.

yeah i know. I hope blue95 goes down there with us. It would be so much fun

VG30DETT

12-21-2003, 01:23 AM

If you guys plan on running at Steele in January,please post in the section when you are. I would like to go, if you don't mind an import guy tagging along.

Maximuscr31

12-21-2003, 01:30 AM

here you go man.....they dont mind. The site owner drives a 95 talon tsi....so you should be fine.

http://www.highperformancetoys.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7412&pagenumber=3

BANDIT

12-21-2003, 01:59 AM

Anyone who wants to go is welcome. I think we got close to 10 cars going so far. It should make the trip down there interesting ; )

IceAngel

12-21-2003, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by TonyBolton
Hmmm, i sure hope with SOME form of suspension, SOME form of HP-increase I will be able to find .4 or .5 seconds in the 1/8th mile. :rolleyes: If im running 8.64's with a stock GT with a K&N, I'd sure hope with about an extra 30whp on top of my 231whp DYNO that I should be able to run that.

This isnt Ricer-ville where you hafta turbo/increase boost and make 400whp to run low 13's. :jerkit:

Well I might not be running 12's YET!! And by not means do I consider myself a ricer. But I can run an 13.8 in the 1/4, N/A. And I think that is pretty **** good. Beside I have given a few V8 boys a run for their money. And I will have to see you run 12's before I believe it.

12-21-2003, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by IceAngel
Well I mightnot be running 12's YET!! And by not means do I consider myself a ricer. But I can run an 13.8 in the 1/4, n/a. And I think that is pretty **** good. Beside I have give a few v8 boys a run for their money. As far as you go I will have to see you run 12's before I believe it. :lol:

kevin

12-21-2003, 02:54 AM

Steele's elevation in only 500' and in january if you hit a good high baro/cold day you will see -100-500' or so DA and that will knock off a tenth or two (or 3) off depending on what the altitude was at the tracks you ran the 8.60s at. You'll need an 8.30 in the 1/8 to get in the 12s..

I would like to go but I doubt I will make it, my trans just left california yesterday and I still ahve to make cooler lines and a crossmember and I need the trans for that..

Its all just power/weight and 60' - and not missing a gear :)

Chubs

12-21-2003, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by Maximuscr31
I really dont know why you have such a attitude problem.
Because Tony is a dick, you have to just take him that way. If you learn to handle all his asshating then he is a pretty decent guy.

moocow

12-21-2003, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by IceAngel
Well I might not be running 12's YET!! And by not means do I consider myself a ricer. But I can run an 13.8 in the 1/4, N/A. And I think that is pretty **** good. Beside I have given a few V8 boys a run for their money. And I will have to see you run 12's before I believe it.

What do you have done to your car? I assume it's a GS-R..

Maximuscr31

12-21-2003, 03:58 AM

I hope to have my exhaust by the time i goto steele and i might possible throw a 14b on there. I am getting sick of this t25 quick

TonyBolton

12-21-2003, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by kevin
. You'll need an 8.30 in the 1/8 to get in the 12s..

I figured more along the lines of 8.20's, but I'll take whatever I can get. :nod:

I've got the gear, got the traction, got the weight advantage.......I figure I'm a good contender!

I'm not sure if I'll be into 5th gear through the 1/4, however. A 4.10 with a 26" tall tire should be put me real close to top of 4th I think. As long asi can keep a launch somewhere in the low 1.8's and do the 1-2 shift decent, I think I'll be ok.

And Andy.....please come down this way if you dont mind. I bet the Steele track is like 1.5 seconds faster than Bristol! ;)

TonyBolton

12-21-2003, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by MyRX-7Sucked
asshating

B3$T W3RD 3VAR! :rofl:

QuikSIX

12-21-2003, 06:43 PM

Hey Tony, is that roll cage gonna take you out of SM????

TonyBolton

12-21-2003, 06:45 PM

i dunno.......it shouldnt.......if it does ill just run CP

gbwrx

12-21-2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by EF8JDM
Hey Tony, is that roll cage gonna take you out of SM????

that could be a good thing for some folks:tongue:

edit: not cbring here

LT99LS1

12-21-2003, 11:58 PM

I think 8.40 to 8.45 in the 1/8 puts you in the 12.99-13 flat range.

You should be able to get there with a 4.10 gear and tires

IceAngel

12-22-2003, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by moocow-GSR
What do you have done to your car? I assume it's a GS-R..

Actually yes it is a GS-R. With a few mods. Actually I might just post the pics. I think you guys would flip out by seeing them. I plan on having it runnin 12's n/a.

Timebomb

12-22-2003, 01:56 AM

why does your signature say civic si if you drive an integra?

Jusmuny

12-22-2003, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by TonyBolton
Hmmm, i sure hope with SOME form of suspension, SOME form of HP-increase I will be able to find .4 or .5 seconds in the 1/8th mile. :rolleyes: If im running 8.64's with a stock GT with a K&N, I'd sure hope with about an extra 30whp on top of my 231whp DYNO that I should be able to run that.

This isnt Ricer-ville where you hafta turbo/increase boost and make 400whp to run low 13's. :jerkit:

Where are you going to pick up 30hp? You should know that on a mustang all you need is; tires, gears, rip out the interior/ spare tire, air filter and 150 shot. Thats it. You will be in the low 11's or better for $1500 or so. Why wast you time and money on anything else.
That way you don't screw up your car for auto-xing either.

I just thought of something, You need a bad ass clutch to hold 5500 rpm launch with et's and a 150 shot... So Under $2000.. You might even beable to do roll on racing you like to do so much of..;)

moocow

12-22-2003, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by IceAngel
Actually yes it is a GS-R. With a few mods. Actually I might just post the pics. I think you guys would flip out by seeing them. I plan on having it runnin 12's n/a.

So.. once again.. what do you have done to your car?

not cbring

12-22-2003, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by moocow-GSR
So.. once again.. what do you have done to your car?

poopcow needs more info so he can more accurately and more efficiently hate on you.

TonyBolton

12-22-2003, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Jusmuny
Where are you going to pick up 30hp?

I can add header"S", thats 20whp....
i could add a CAT-less mid/H/X pipe, thats 15whp....
I could run a different upper intake plenum/TB, thats 15whp.....
I could run a timing adjuster/chip......thats 10whp

Or I could add the 4 together and be really happy :gaga: Hmmm, almost sounds like a plan huh. :angel:

Keep in mind, my car HONESTLY is pretty much stock. The only power producing part on the car is maybe the filter, and thats good for what......3whp? So, I have pretty much a blank canvas to work with.
No, not trying to be a smartass(this one time), I dont really wanna put "drag only" items on the car, N02 being one of those. I just dont trust it with my plastic(yes it has a plastic intake manifold)manifold.

I dont think I'll dip 12's this coming month when we goto Steele, but it'll give me an idea of what is working, what isnt working(my driving style), and what i'll need. Id really like to run that 12.99 on my usuall 87octane gas too! :nod: I dont think ill have EVERYTHING in time for 10th, but I'm workin' on it.

You guys should goto the 1/4 with us in January. It'll be my first time in this car.....hoping it does mid 13's as it sits now worst case scenario.

RedZX95

12-22-2003, 04:55 PM

Maybe I've missed it in earlier posts..but do you already have the gears?

TonyBolton

12-22-2003, 04:59 PM

yea, I think ive got the "traction/launch" issue figured out. The drag radials and the 4.10's picked it up alot......it just took me a while to re-learn to drive with them. Theres a real sweet spot to the start with that gear setup, you(or at least "I") either hit it just right, or you might well just hit the brake and coast down the lane.

moocow

12-22-2003, 05:16 PM

I can add header"S", thats 20whp....
i could add a CAT-less mid/H/X pipe, thats 15whp....
I could run a different upper intake plenum/TB, thats 15whp.....
I could run a timing adjuster/chip......thats 10whp

Tony.. isn't that RICER MATH? :stumped: :confused:
:D

TonyBolton

12-22-2003, 05:19 PM

no, ricer math is saying you get 300whp from a PnP job on a SOHC honda

not cbring

12-22-2003, 05:27 PM

ricer math would be.....

240sx = sportscar

:D

TonyBolton

12-22-2003, 05:29 PM

:lol: :owned:

andy122

12-22-2003, 10:01 PM

Stay away from that "chip" crap. Especially if you want to stick with piss water 87 octane. Find a successful, cheap, proven and easy combo out there in Mustang land, and copy it.

My sizzources tellz me w3Rd on da skReET iz dem TORNADOS and "plaxinum" pluggs.:steering:

TonyBolton

12-22-2003, 10:05 PM

Yea, I dont feel F'ing with the computer stuff is worth it...... I've pretty much found that this guy knows whats he's doing. He's running a lil' deeper than I would be able to accomplish.

http://users.adelphia.net/~mustang-92/

andy122

12-22-2003, 10:19 PM

Make it lighter?

His dyno sheets are kind of depressing, but at least he isnt running twelves on 500hp.

TonyBolton

12-22-2003, 10:22 PM

I could care less about DYNO/MPH......the lower the number, just means less brakes I'd hafta use to stop! People in mustangs work smarter......not harder.

Nothing like 30 year old technology that makes under 300whp putting smack down on 30,000$ s00pUr 2NR's! :owned:

TonyBolton

12-22-2003, 10:32 PM

Hmmm.......here's an intersting link :D

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=417209

andy122

12-22-2003, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by TonyBolton
People in mustangs work smarter......not harder.
Riiiiiiiiiiighhht.

Get a VW bug if you really want to see some awesome ET for MPH.

TonyBolton

12-22-2003, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by andy122
Riiiiiiiiiiighhht.

Get a VW bug if you really want to see some awesome ET for MPH.

Whats JohnForce drive? A mustang.....its pretty stock from what I heard. :crackhead:

93FD

12-22-2003, 11:12 PM

I hope to be in the 12s too. But I drive an RX7!

TonyBolton

12-22-2003, 11:14 PM

I dont see why you SHOULDNT........ET is there, MPH is there......60ft is there. I think you should just wonder WHERE in the 12's you'll be.

93FD

12-22-2003, 11:20 PM

I would love to run the 7 in a 1/4 mi. track. Im just scared to run the piss out of it so far from home. At brainerd I "broke" down( blew the nuts off of the intake, fast and furious style)

tnturbo

12-22-2003, 11:39 PM

Hey Tony, I'm not going to be able to make it to Steele in Jan. You are welcome to borrow my Welds and skinnies if you like.

BANDIT

12-23-2003, 12:07 AM

3 Pages and this thread hasn't gone all to hell yet… it's a christmas miracle.

Maximuscr31

12-23-2003, 12:08 AM

give it time young grasshopper

moocow

12-23-2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by BANDIT
3 Pages and this thread hasn't gone all to hell yet… it's a christmas miracle.

I blame myself.

moocow

12-23-2003, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by not cbring
ricer math would be.....

240sx = sportscar

:D

:(

Hey, it's RWD and has 2 doors, that's sports car enough for me. :P
Plus it's a hell of a lot better than my fwd 4 door honda was..

TonyBolton

12-23-2003, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by BANDIT
3 Pages and this thread hasn't gone all to hell yet… it's a christmas miracle.

:rofl: And it's a topic started by ME! Thats like "Instant toilet thread" usually!

Jeff, I may take you up on your offer, depending how far along I get things done with the car. If I dont get what I want done before the 10th, ill just "run what I brung". No need putting wear/tear on your tires for me to run high 13's.

I really appreciate the offer though! Hope that bike is givin' ya a little scare here and there! :D

Chubs

12-23-2003, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by TonyBolton
People in mustangs work smarter......not harder.

thats like saying 1 year old Tommy down the street put the square block directly into the square hole, where as little Paul tried to put it into the round hole 1st.
When you start with something so simple, getting it to do something its designed to do isnt considered working "smarter".
:)

TonyBolton

12-23-2003, 04:33 PM

But wouldnt you be considered "SMART" for know that in the begining? :nod: you= :owned:

tnturbo

12-23-2003, 05:28 PM

Tony, no worries about wear and tear on the skinnies. They are just elcheapo 15" tires. I will never wear them out driving on them.

Bike is doing great. Plenty of power. I need to avoid deep sticky mud, but otherwise everything is fine.