BOUNTY 2008 RULES DISCUSSION...STEP INSIDE..

[outlaw68]

Ok guys, lets hear it, this is the time to bring up IDEAS on the rules and procedures.
I have an IDEA that will make it a little more interesting in the bounty.

After a racer wins two in a row that racer will start over in the field with a $500.00 Bounty on him for the racer who takes him out in any ROUND.
So lets say you beat the guy who has won 2 in a row and your in the final, you would win $1500.00 Or lets say you get lucky first rd and load the guy you get $500.00
I think this will make winning more than 2 in a row a bit harder and may keep some parity in the class, we all know its far more difficult to make rounds than it is to just make ONE.
Thats where I am right now, but LET YOUR OPPINONS be heard.
You dont have to be a racer to give input, but it would be nice if the drivers spoke up, I am listening...

[WHITECOUPE]

well, thats kinda cool but takes away from the original rules of bounty race but its your deal. just make it better for everyone. I think there needs to be a run whatcha brung big dog class no limits on anyhting whos got the fastest chit class with a bigger payout and more entry for that particular class to pay the payout. Love to see more 4 sec rides i know there out there!

[badazznotch]

I think it should start over each month and the last month's winner go rounds like everyone else.

[outlaw68]

You are correct. And we have one planned. Also a 4.70 index will be at EVERY BOUNTY next year.

You will see that the "OTHER" series I have coming is gonna be a good one, But I need to tweak the BOUNTY a little, at least small tire anyway. And You see what I am after. I feel honestly that had NEWC beat CARP that Billy would have had his hands full with NEWC in the final. But some seem to think Billy cant be beat. I think its closer than most think, but I will not make a rule against black big block mustang turbo cars..lol..
We just need to find a way to even it up a little I think what about everyone else? Or is there no worries and we just all race and step up?
I talked to Brandon today he has made some killer progress and once he gets the track up here figured out that thing will be hard to stop as well.
I just want to hear some idea's on what the people see and hear and want.

BUT YES 2008 will have a RWYB 5k to win 1k runner up.... RACE in its future. And there will be one for stock suspension cars as well on another weekend....

[WHITECOUPE]

heck yes!

[WHITECOUPE]

i will be ready for spring 08

[mean68]

cool! i think newc spoke to billy after the race and billy actually told him that he was a little worried.
is there going to be weight restrictions on different types of cars next year to keep things closer?? just curious. seems to be the easiest way to do it, but kinda takes away from the street racing style.

[outlaw68]

Well I look at the weight like this..If I made a minimum, it would only make the class further apart as right now I believe the fastest in the class are probably the heaviest. Billy is 3200, Newc is around there I think, the NOS cars are light, and If I add to them it will only make the class even worse. So I am not game on the scales on this.

[turbo331lx]

well if you do this and only allow two in a row if the defending champ makes it back to the finals and wins does he get the extra 500

[mean68]

i definitely agree with you and see your point on that one.

[outlaw68]

well if you do this and only allow two in a row if the defending champ makes it back to the finals and wins does he get the extra 500


not sure, yet, ITS NOT a rule, just me talking out loud to get the discussion going...
I wanted to give people some food for thought. and put some of my idea's out there. Some of mine when I type them out look like chineese arithmatic so I just throw it out and start over..:fro: Looking for info.

[BAD INTENT]

well if you do this and only allow two in a row if the defending champ makes it back to the finals and wins does he get the extra 500


How can you collect on a bounty thats on yourself? I dont think that one would work.

[turbo331lx]

yeah but if he makes it to the winners circle with the bulls eye on his chest why not give it to him

[65 Camino]

The repeat winner is already collecting his own bounty, the original 1G. You have an interesting idea Jim. 500 extra bucks to someone who takes out a repeat winner. I don't think a repeat winner should collect the extra 500 because the extra bucks is incentive for someone else to step up and get 'em. It's more of a true "bounty". As for making the last winner run rounds again instead of waiting til last round, either set a solid rule or maybe give them an option. Run rounds OR limit the number of time runs they can make as they wait for their final round. 1 or maybe 2 time runs, then wait for their race (I say 1 time run, decrease the opportunity to figure out the track). Either the other racers have a better chance to take him out early or they have more runs to tune and get ready for him, assuming they win the preliminary rounds.

R/ Dave

[SprayedHatch]

I agree with turbo331, if the previous winner fights like hell and doesnt go out and makes it back to the winners circle, why not give him the extra $500. because he has definatly accomplished something and has the faster car. if its not the whole $500 split it with him and make the next bounty $750 to put him out. that would bring the fast sweetwater boys outta the woods lol

[slow trap]

thinking out loud, so lets say "dog" the bounty hunter gets surprised by one of thugs he tries to catch and they knock his sorry ass out,do they get to collect the money "dog" would have got for catching them ?
haha,i think i'm going absolutely nowhere with that but that is how i feel,a person shouldn't collect a BOUNTY on their own head,that is just rediculous.

[outlaw68]

keep in mind, we always want the spirit of street racing to stay in this, and I know its not normal racing. So I like everyones ideas. I just want to try and tighten the class up a little. My goal when this was done was not to ever have a 5 time winner. And yes BILLY and I are friends, but thats not it.. I may have to let guys start asking for lengths in the finals....lmao

[Marcus Wooden]

how about 8.5 inch tire class for us real slow cars?

[mean68]

maybe just give the bounty defender like 250 extra if he makes it through the rounds and whoever beats him gets 500. that way the defender wouldn't be killing his car for nothing and everyone else would have more incentive(spelling) as well. in my opinion i think the big tire classes rules should be lightened some as well, to get more cars in it. i would love to see cars like that burgandy nova and yellow corvette in it. that would be badass!! big tire could be kinda like the anything goes doorcar class and small tire could be the more restrictive class. i just think it would be awesome to go watch 20 or more cars compete in each class!!

[mean68]

theres cars well into the 5's on 26x8.5s.

[Marcus Wooden]

guess thats out i barely can get in the 6s

[matchstick]

What about paying more to someone if they win consecutivley? Say $250 or $500?

[mean68]

thats a great idea! 250 for the second win, and so on.

[Tom]

as long as your car count is good, why change anything??? the format obviously works for the track. if your field starts thinning, then it's time to consider changes.

[Tom]

What about paying more to someone if they win consecutivley? Say $250 or $500?

that would probably change nothing....or it could bring in an even more dominate car. the more money you put up, the faster the cars that show up. if you want your regulars to have no chance of winning, simply put up enough money to bring the travelers in. put up enough money and you can have glidden and lynch at every bounty. but, who will pay the entry fee to run against them and lose every month???

I don't believe any of the regulars have anything for the 5 time champ. if they did, he wouldn' be a 5 time champion.

how many cars actually run in big tire bounty?

[outlaw68]

we have from 4 -10 enter on a regular bassis in big tire. I just wanted to get some input on the small tire class. I feel a change is needed but not a change that would upset the apple cart. Keep um coming...

[carplight]

put all cars (small tire) on radials:cool: 295 65 and 325 50 only

[mean68]

the radial bounty was exciting as hell!! that definitely slowed the 1500hp cars down t the 1000hp cars levels!!

[WHITECOUPE]

lots would wreck including me ha ha

[kingkole]

Hey how is the 4.70 class gonna be run next year? Is it going to be door cars only or open to anyone? Ever thought about having a 8.0 street legal class on dot slicks? I think that'd be fun and would get alot of local guys that play with street cars on friday nights envolved in the bounty. What has been the average car count for small tire?

[outlaw68]

Hey how is the 4.70 class gonna be run next year? Is it going to be door cars only or open to anyone? Ever thought about having a 8.0 street legal class on dot slicks? I think that'd be fun and would get alot of local guys that play with street cars on friday nights envolved in the bounty. What has been the average car count for small tire?


4.70 will be door cars only, we will have a dragster race heads up on some NON BOUNTY nights.
small tire is anywhere from 6-14 cars depending on the night and who is not tore up.
I am pleased with the classes. Just dont want to assume that they dont need any work...

I am looking forward to the 2008 season, and so are many I know.
Thanks
Jim

[carplight]

You are correct. And we have one planned. Also a 4.70 index will be at EVERY BOUNTY next year.

You will see that the "OTHER" series I have coming is gonna be a good one, But I need to tweak the BOUNTY a little, at least small tire anyway. And You see what I am after. I feel honestly that had NEWC beat CARP that Billy would have had his hands full with NEWC in the final. But some seem to think Billy cant be beat. I think its closer than most think, but I will not make a rule against black big block mustang turbo cars..lol..
We just need to find a way to even it up a little I think what about everyone else? Or is there no worries and we just all race and step up?
I talked to Brandon today he has made some killer progress and once he gets the track up here figured out that thing will be hard to stop as well.
I just want to hear some idea's on what the people see and hear and want.

BUT YES 2008 will have a RWYB 5k to win 1k runner up.... RACE in its future. And there will be one for stock suspension cars as well on another weekend....
Billy beat my by about a car 1/2 and I ran a 5.63 at 125 that was my best pass all year. I know I could have ran faster if i had jetted it up, but their was no way I could have picked up .4 and 20 mph thats what I would have had to run.

[Tom]

the radial bounty was exciting as hell!! that definitely slowed the 1500hp cars down t the 1000hp cars levels!!

yeah, but how long before someone ended up seriously injured??? while it may look cool from the cheap seats....just imagine someone not having the sense to give up on a wasted pass crossing the centerline on you and totaling your car. or worse yet, putting you in the hospital or still worse yet, the morgue. all over their pride and a measly thousand dollars.

who would pay for your car, or hospital bills or better yet support your family in a worst case scenario....

granted, accidents can happen any time you pull out onto the track. but they are much more likely to happen in tire limited classes. their will always be those out there with promod power, streetcar traction and a top fuel ego. I would hate to see ANYONE at a serious loss because of someone else's poor judgement. and we have ALL seen even the best make poor decisions in the heat of battle that they would not normally make under less pressure.

[turbo331lx]

radials are all ez street runs if thats the case orsca wouldnt have a field the guys that build these cars know thier limits most of the time i mean look at reese he went 4.84 at carolina on radials

[mean68]

x2!!

[Tom]

some tracks are like racing on a 6 lane wide hwy too....and some are not.

the tire is not the equalizer that everyone thought it would be. it still all comes down to $$$ in the end. all you have to do is spend the $$$ at the right shop. if it goes back to radials, some will spend the time and $$$ to make them work and be just as fast as they are now or faster. then the gap will widen between the few and the rest of the field again.

this is why it is so hard to keep a local heads up series alive for very long. Jim's program has done better than any that I have seen yet.

[Tom]

Billy beat my by about a car 1/2 and I ran a 5.63 at 125 that was my best pass all year. I know I could have ran faster if i had jetted it up, but their was no way I could have picked up .4 and 20 mph thats what I would have had to run.

I bet he has an "OH SHIT!!!" button that he didn't use too. I had one. it's like a second stage on a nitrous system. hold the button and it turns a boost controller on. mine had an extra 8 psi under the button(probably another 180-200 rwhp). I never used it, but it was there if I needed it. I never showed all of my hand either. :D

[turbo331lx]

the guys at mickey thompsan will tell you the radials are faster than slicks more stable on the big end so if putting every body on radials is supposed to level the field then if this holds true its gonna seperate them correct

[BLACK NIGHTMARE]

I think you should have the winner to make the rounds and if they win you pay $200 more to them and put the other $300 in the pot for the next month and let it build up tell some one puts them out. my .02

[meangene118]

hey there crazy eye have you ever sucked a sweeter peter than mine jody f in cambell

[WHITECOUPE]

ha ha what the crap thats funny right there.

[BLACK NIGHTMARE]

HAHAHA! FUCK YOU ! mopar bitch.

[lonebowtie]

From where i was standing Billy had Carpenter by two cars at half track .

[carplight]

From where i was standing Billy had Carpenter by two cars at half track .I guess you had a better seat then I did:circles:

[lonebowtie]

I know what i saw and it was more than half a car

[carplight]

I know what i saw and it was more than half a car
1/2 a car or 2 cars?????

[racesforfun]

as long as your car count is good, why change anything??? the format obviously works for the track. if your field starts thinning, then it's time to consider changes.

I think Tom makes a very good point. Although you didn't mean for there to be a 5x winner, that was the reality. I have watched the race format you have stayed with for the 1st and 2nd season grow by leaps and bounds, so it was obviously working or it would not have grown like it did. I am not saying make no changes, I would just consider carefully what impact those changes could possibly have to the Bounty's success and not be too drastic with it. After all, a race (as we all know) can go south for anybody at any time and Billy is not excluded. He just got lucky (5x) - still though...I cant tell you how many times different people have said to me: the racing is 20% skill and the rest is luck! Hell I am thinking about having Billy pick some lottery numbers for me, he's on a roll!!

[BLACK NIGHTMARE]

It was a 1/2 car half track and maybe just maybe 2 cars just at the finish line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HE9fIRbuyg

[GeneHindman]

I know of 1 change that would draw more spectators and racers from the Knoxville area in the index classes.... Change the eliminaiion time to about 3 hours earlier. Hell, it's Saturday, open the gates at 11:00 and begin time trials at noon and begin eliminations around 3-4. Remember that we are an hour later than you are and it's a pain in the butt to leave there at 3 in the morning and drive an hour and half home. Heck, it's almost daylight when we get home.

[turbo331lx]

amen to that its been after 5am when we got home

[mean68]

that would be good i think. the last one was started earlier and it fely awesome to be heading home at like 10! of course thats 11 your time, still not bad :)

[1bad406]

I know of 1 change that would draw more spectators and racers from the Knoxville area in the index classes.... Change the eliminaiion time to about 3 hours earlier. Hell, it's Saturday, open the gates at 11:00 and begin time trials at noon and begin eliminations around 3-4. Remember that we are an hour later than you are and it's a pain in the butt to leave there at 3 in the morning and drive an hour and half home. Heck, it's almost daylight when we get home.
I second that idea also. hasnt been bad for me though the past 3 months getting dusted first round, but still, if I go rounds it's late getting home living 2 hours away. lol

[outlaw68]

The only problem with the early times is the heat in the summer and There are a LOT of people who do work on saturday. We realize it gets some people home late. But I can tell you both times I opened early we had guys calling who didnt get off work untill late. Its a tough one for sure.
But I agree you guys that travel it makes for a long night. I will take this under advisment. Maybe we can split the difference.

[FatRat1969]

:) I like the earlier start time too. Have ya'll made any changes to the cars yet that you know will be in the rules for 2008? I really would like to know now before new car is finished.

[Blue_gt]

Well the intention of a 5 time winner was not supposed to happen it did....I ant saying your not,but gotta give credit where credit is do he has it figured out and i think its up to us to catch him....But i think the drag radials would be a bad idea it gets wild now on slicks for me but hey some guys got the drag radial think down 2....

[outlaw68]

:) I like the earlier start time too. Have ya'll made any changes to the cars yet that you know will be in the rules for 2008? I really would like to know now before new car is finished.

Glen there have been no rule changes yet. I will call you on the phone and get your personal take. I have talked with alot of the guys who dont post and will continue. I just want to address some things.

[railroadkenny502]

hey jim what size tire is the big tire boutny and small tire bounty lol. i think im in the big tire but i dont have enoug motor yet lol. 31.18.50

[outlaw68]

small tire in 2007 was 10.5x28 slick no bigger, or 315 drag radial.
Big tire is wide open.

[railroadkenny502]

sweet thanks man, what about motor or hp size does it matter in either class

[outlaw68]

rules are www.bountyrace.com

no engine or hp rules.. wide open.

[Blue_gt]

You thinkin about changein tire in 2008??

[outlaw68]

gonna make black mustangs with big block chevys run on turbo techs...lol..

I have been on the phone with racers all week, racers who race with us now and racers from other sanctions.
I can tell you one thing....There will be more $$$ in 2008 This much I know.
Tires??? Not sure yet.

[Blue_gt]

Turbo Techs heck ya now we might cant beat him hahaha....I myself really like the tire rule it makes it interesting i think........

[5 sec DART jr]

Billy beat my by about a car 1/2 and I ran a 5.63 at 125 that was my best pass all year. I know I could have ran faster if i had jetted it up, but their was no way I could have picked up .4 and 20 mph thats what I would have had to run.
LEAN IS MEAN IF U DONT BURN A PISTON. JETTING ONE UP SHOULD NOT MAKE IT FASTER. IF IT SLOWS DOWN BY PULLING FUEL OUT U PROB SPUN TIRES THE FIRST 100 FT:dodging:

[carplight]

LEAN IS MEAN IF U DONT BURN A PISTON. JETTING ONE UP SHOULD NOT MAKE IT FASTER. IF IT SLOWS DOWN BY PULLING FUEL OUT U PROB SPUN TIRES THE FIRST 100 FT:dodging: I had ran the same tune up all year and I was not going to put a bigger tune up in it . it wasnt worth taking a chance and hurting it.

[youngblood]

Well I look at the weight like this..If I made a minimum, it would only make the class further apart as right now I believe the fastest in the class are probably the heaviest. Billy is 3200, Newc is around there I think, the NOS cars are light, and If I add to them it will only make the class even worse. So I am not game on the scales on this.
Its not that Billy has the most power, he is the only one that plants the tires and stay have way straight. Like the monte carlo was by his side and got loose, and billy looks like he's on a rail.

[youngblood]

Jeff no disrespect to your car or nothin, but Bill just eased into the throttle and didnt get in it till half track or so.

[Blue_gt]

Carps car was on its game that night for sure put me out...

[carplight]

Jeff no disrespect to your car or nothin, but Bill just eased into the throttle and didnt get in it till half track or so. I knew when I raced Him the only way I was going to win was if he got loose,
Billy was 4 tenths faster than me that night .

[carplight]

Carps car was on its game that night for sure put me out...Shit, if you had not got loose you would have beat me.

[Blue_gt]

Ya but you planted your power i didnt...What is it they say spinnin ant winin.lol

[Wreckless4thf]

LOL, I told you Billy's car would not be beat by local's unless he slipped or broke...........LOL Sorry I have been waiting and waiting lol.......... Also for all you guys who think your gettting all he has lol lol. He has more than what you have seen at Crossville. He is still playing with you. (This is not trying to be sarcastic just for a laugh)

Now since the scales still will not be considered I like the idea of making him run through the field after the second win. Put a extra 500 to put him out and if no one does let it roll over to the next bounty and add 500 more if someone puts him out the second race they get an extra grand then 1500 then 2000. This is a sure way to keep someone from winning every weekend.

But I still think there should be weight to combo rules in effect but that's not going to happen so the only way to keep one person from winning every weekend with a big money car is to keep uping the bounty on his head till a bigger gun comes and takes him out.

This might be good advertisement for the race and could bring in bigger and badder cars. Once they run the bounty they might get to really like it and stay around. It dang sure would be good for the spectators.

[slowhonda]

what about an import class? probably wouldnt have enough cars tho

[mean68]

brandon told me he would be on slicks next time up. but that won't help with the new rules unless they both run bounty. that would be sweet to watch. we got to see a couple races between the two(billy and brandon) at dft. awesome!!! it was a peddle wheelie fest! lol