Kar Kare tonight anyone??

[Rednels]

Is anyone going tonight?

[95MustangGT]

I'll be there tonight. I have nothing better to do heh.

[93civEJ1]

OMG.. 325chick is going to be sooo mad at you! hah

[PizzaGuy]

having not been out to KK with you guys before, where is it and when does everone meet up?

[95MustangGT]

kar kare is across the street from toys-r-us and that whole shopping center and its right beside krystals..... everyone normally starts getting there at around 8 or so.

[PizzaGuy]

On what road... sorry.. i can get around oak ridge just fine, but i dont spent hardly any time in knoxville

[RedZX95]

Kingston Pike.

I'll be there.

[1989CobraMakeOver]

rednels is back oh shit, how'd the weddin go, dont be shy, fill me in.

and no, i wont be at the kare tonite,

1) im in san diego
2) my mustang is undergoing a little "trans"formation ;)

but ill see's yallz next week.

[McCorkle]

Me and Ktown will be there somewhat early. Got some leaks to fix on the ol' MP3.

[TonyBolton]

YOu mean your car hasnt blown up yet with no full STANDALONE ENGINE MANAGEMENT unit?! I cant believe it!!!! :eek:

[McCorkle]

Who would have thought the Vortech would actually work? :why: Although it is running incredibly rich. We need to adjust the disks.

[TonyBolton]

Your fucked dude, your fucked! Get the STANDALONE immediatly! Run two standalones if you hafto'!

Congrats on your install/car.

[oneslowdx]

I think i will bring the civic down for the first time.

[93civEJ1]

*gets on hands and knees and worships oneslowdx's car for running again*

[oneslowdx]

Amazing isnt it

[93civEJ1]

hahah yeah...I give it 2 weeks again before i hear "Aaaayyyy it runs good on 13lbs."

[Gail]

Tom and I will be out with the Mirage. It's all tuned and ready to go now! :group:

[thrdeye]

I will probably swing by.

[02type-s]

I will probably come for the first time tonight. Look for the rsx and a couple of 92-95 hatchbacks. (This is 02type-s, i had my name changed from 96tegLS to this about a year ago and now it makes me log into this one)

[thrdeye]

Just re register.

[1989CobraMakeOver]

Originally posted by 93civEJ1
hahah yeah...I give it 2 weeks again before i hear "Aaaayyyy it runs good on 13lbs."

AYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

does the dx want any of the 5slow? on motor? muwahahaha........

[moocow]

I may make it if I can get my Tire Flies installed on time. :embarras:

[oneslowdx]

nah i need to keep it runnin till i get some more internals before i go to givin it hell.

[moocow]

If you don't know what the hell you're doing, forged internals won't help you.

[oneslowdx]

It was called too much boost on stock internals

[moocow]

How much is "too much"? Would a better boost control solution have saved your motor, or did you just turn it up too high? The former is a lot cheaper than new pistons and rods. I'm not trying to argue with you or anything, you've obviously got it under control.

[90civicHB]

Fight um Moocow.


$20 on Josh.

[oneslowdx]

nah i was just tryin to run to much boost for the stock pistons, i get boost happy, that and the fact that factory honda pistons arnt that reliable in a boosted motor. Its cool though

[QuikSIX]

Anyone getting any food before or after kk??????

[93civEJ1]

ill be grabing some before..Im going to ride with Oneslowdx tonight and go to Krystals next door at around 7.

[QuikSIX]

mmmmmm krystals mmmmmmmm

im there-

[moocow]

Originally posted by oneslowdx
nah i was just tryin to run to much boost for the stock pistons, i get boost happy, that and the fact that factory honda pistons arnt that reliable in a boosted motor. Its cool though

I'm curious, how much did you end up running? Was this a single cam or a B series?

[accordracer789]

what car club are yall with?

[RedZX95]

I decided not to come, came by at 7:50ish but nobody was there really so I left and came to UT. The whole KK thing isn't fun for me anymore really.

[1989CobraMakeOver]

Originally posted by RedZX95
I decided not to come, came by at 7:50ish but nobody was there really so I left and came to UT. The whole KK thing isn't fun for me anymore really.

chase isnt going anymore due to school, thus you arnt going, no suprise there :why:

[supercompact]

Originally posted by accordracer789
what car club are yall with?

N/A

[93civEJ1]

haha funny question. Yeah cody we saw you and michael come through, but I guess no one there was cool enuff or worthy of the presence eh?? haha

[oneslowdx]

b16 13 psi spike to 15

[02type-s]

I went tonight for the first time and actually had a really good time. The highlight of the evening was my friend letting me drive his blue hatch and letting me :nitrous:. That damn thing pulls, im sure somebody on here saw it go by.

[McCorkle]

My highlight of the evening was letting my oil leak all over the parking lot. :bash:

[02type-s]

what happined?

[McCorkle]

One of the fittings is being a pain in the ass. Managed to get it home, and we drained the oil and will go pick up a new fitting tomorrow. Hopefully that takes care of everything. It sucked, I really didn't get to hang out and talk to anybody because I went with Nate to Advanced Auto. Oh well hopefully I am running better next week and can get my boost where I want it.

[gimmearotary]

welcome to mazda... if i punch you in the face now you wont feel so bad about your car :D.

[McCorkle]

Next week I'll probably have to get jump started like somebody else. ;) And I share with your problems of boost Jon. I couldn't get the damn psi set where I want it.:mad:

[gimmearotary]

which somebody... me or lohan???...lol. well i finaly found out my prob about that, the S5 rx7's....mine... have another boost controller to override the wastegate from the factory (non adjustable of course) i have to get something to bypass it. whats your excuse....LOL.

[McCorkle]

Yeah I was referring to Lohan, but hell your seven is just as likely to happen. I didn't realize that the wastegate has two different fittings, one for high boost and one for low.

[That Bad Man]

I saw Chase there....or maybe it was a clone?

[02type-s]

i think i saw him to, but im not for sure. If it is the guy im thinking, the girl he was talking to said she liked my car when i was leaving

[McCorkle]

Yeah Chase was there. He was still there when I left around 10:30. Don't remember seeing his car though.

[gimmearotary]

everyone down! this is a threadhijacking...lol.


just wanted to say thanks to CMS-GT4 for my kickass avatar. :D

[CMS-GT4]

Originally posted by 91blackFC3S
everyone down! this is a threadhijacking...lol.


just wanted to say thanks to CMS-GT4 for my kickass avatar. :D

No problem.

I should have a new avatar in the next day or so. I am going with Collins this afternoon, to look at a track model.

Here is some pics of what was.

My turbo after a hose from RI got sucked into it.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/807686/IMG_1207.jpg

The hose that did the damage. It was about 10" away from the turbo connected to the afm. Amazing how much suction these turbos have.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/807686/IMG_1210.jpg

[02type-s]

i didnt realize that you were the one with jon that i talked to for a min. That really sucks about what happined.

[90civicHB]

02-type-s...or whatever

Witch blue hatch was it? The blue one with the c/f hood and the rotas or the rust bucket one with the b16?

The hatch with the rotas was a beauty.

[02type-s]

it was the electron blue pearl one w/the circuit 8's. That is one of the nicest hatchbacks around in my opinion, nice and clean

[not cbring]

the blue hatchback guy that is b0yZ with 1BADSRT or whatever in the yellow neon needs to get off the road before they kill someone. same goes for the neon.

[C70Turbo187]

ya i was there ... cant go off to school with out a car .. so im here for now ...

i rode up with zumzum Rx8 and left with that girl in the VW bug ..

no clones .. but my bro is like a twin we are constantly getting called each others names ect out and around town ...

i should be there next wed. too but that will be my last if i can go ..

[TonyBolton]

So hes like, Douche 2, and your Douche 1? :stumped:

[SPDRCR]

ha ha

[90civicHB]

Originally posted by 02type-s
it was the electron blue pearl one w/the circuit 8's. That is one of the nicest hatchbacks around in my opinion, nice and clean


I agree. That EG is anwsome.

[02type-s]

Originally posted by not cbring
the blue hatchback guy that is b0yZ with 1BADSRT or whatever in the yellow neon needs to get off the road before they kill someone. same goes for the neon.

I think you are talking about the si hatch w/the b16 and not my friend correct? That guy seemed nice that had it so it makes me wonder why you say that about him?

[not cbring]

Originally posted by 02type-s
I think you are talking about the si hatch w/the b16 and not my friend correct? That guy seemed nice that had it so it makes me wonder why you say that about him?

i was very unimpressed with his autocross behavior and then a few days later, i watched him blast through some redlights on kingston pike.

[TurboIntegra]

Originally posted by oneslowdx
nah i was just tryin to run to much boost for the stock pistons, i get boost happy, that and the fact that factory honda pistons arnt that reliable in a boosted motor. Its cool though

thats funny, ive been in boost for over a year now on stock pistons without a problem and its my everyday driver until a month ago i got my bike

[1989CobraMakeOver]

Originally posted by TurboIntegra
thats funny, ive been in boost for over a year now on stock pistons without a problem and its my everyday driver until a month ago i got my bike

yea, when do i get my race? quit being scared :jk: . actually, when the car is done (beginning of sept) i wanna run um, well i think you called me out so yea... all motor, should be close.:D

[TurboIntegra]

i told you anytime you want to run them on a track then we can line them up it should be good times

[DSMkawasaki]

well ill be damned it deleted my name cuz i only had 58 posts

[1989CobraMakeOver]

Originally posted by TurboIntegra
i told you anytime you want to run them on a track then we can line them up it should be good times

oh it has to be at the track? thats cool, im gonna wanna see what im running anyway, so thats cool. its gonna be the best times of our life!! lol

[TurboIntegra]

just dont get too upset when you get beat by a honda :rockon:

[90civicHB]

You still in Cali?

[90civicHB]

Originally posted by TurboIntegra
just dont get too upset when you get beat by a honda :rockon:

props on that post!:eek:

[oneslowdx]

Yeah a b18 has lower compression than a b16. 15 psi on a b16 is the same as running 19 on a b18 see if your car will hold it on stock internals.

[TonyBolton]

But, the B16 has VTEC, and VTEC can never lose? :why: :stumped: :wtf:

[TurboIntegra]

for one im not stupid enough to try to run 19 psi on my stock block thats why its still together and its not my fault you put a turbo on a si

[TurboIntegra]

speaking vtec, tony you need to post your honda song from the hostboards on here

[1989CobraMakeOver]

Originally posted by TurboIntegra
just dont get too upset when you get beat by a honda :rockon:

i wont get upset, its all in fun, i know my car is slow, its just a mustang that aint junk without the juice. if i can drive decent id be hoping for atleast an 8.9x on motor, but we'll see.

yes cody, im still in cali im gonna get some super nice tanning loation and give it to cody. shhhh..... :D

[DSMkawasaki]

when are u talking about jeff. It is Friday right?

[TurboIntegra]

im shooting for mid 8's, ive turned up the boost some and put in a lighter flywheel since my 8.8 run

[oneslowdx]

who cares if its an si you dont know what it has in it. you can say what you want to say about vtec but what about the power people are making out of gsr's boosted isnt that a vtec motor. Im not claiming to be a super tuner as your self but i didnt pay somebody to tune my car either.

[TurboIntegra]

yeah its shows your not a super tooner you couldnt even use your afc for you whopping 190 dyno pull while pouring oil all over the place... good job i think ill pay for my tunning it comes out cheaper in the long run i dont have to buy a quart of oil everytime i start my car

[oneslowdx]

must be bad or something you were running twice as much boost and only made 50 more hp than me and wtf does it matter anyways ive never said anything to you anyway. So you can keep to your integra and ill keep to my oil pouring si. Btw it dosent leak oil anymore

[TurboIntegra]

i was running 11psi and if i recall right you said you running 8 so do the math thats not half and yes i did put down 50 more hp than you no big deal but you said honda bottom ends wasnt reliable when it comes to turbo and i do dissagree with that

[oneslowdx]

not the bottom end just the pistons.

[oneslowdx]

mainly ring landings

[TurboIntegra]

ive never had a problem, get feul too them and they run fine if your responsible with them so dont blame honda, mine has gained my full respect i said if it last over a year without me having to rebuild it i would be happy and its been over a year now and running stronger now than it did last time i dynoed

[oneslowdx]

i shouldnt have anymore problems out of it, i redid and corrected mostly all my problems that i had im not tryin to start anything with you, this is the first honda ive had and for me to have built it with no help and not knowing anything about imports i thought i did great but people say you learn from your mistakes. Its just cost me a little bit more money

[moocow]

Originally posted by oneslowdx
15 psi on a b16 is the same as running 19 on a b18 see if your car will hold it on stock internals.
:wtf:
What exactly are you basing this on? Do you have any data to back this up or are you pulling those numbers out of your ass?

must be bad or something you were running twice as much boost and only made 50 more hp than me
But I'd bet good money he made a lot more torque than you. It's obvious you will make more horsepower regardless because he has a much lower revving engine; horsepower is simply a function of how fast you can spin your torque. A wee-16 can make good horsepower numbers because it's so easy to rev, but its torque still blows.

[TurboIntegra]

230 trq

[1989CobraMakeOver]

Originally posted by DSMkawasaki
when are u talking about jeff. It is Friday right?

huh? im lost, help ah brovah out. who is you anyway, yo name be crazy, me no recognise it.

[DSMkawasaki]

Its brett with the black gst. my name got deleted so i made a new one

[1989CobraMakeOver]

ohhh now i get it, ill be back for the next kar kare, ill see ya then

[supercompact]

I think its alot easier to make power on a LS than a B16. Lower compression allows you to run higher boost levels safely on 93 octane. The dished piston design of the LS as opposed to the pentroof design of the B16 gives a better quench for a pressurized charge too. Fact is, you cannot run 13lbs on stock cast 10.X compression pistons in a B16 and expect it to last. Have you ever owned a boosted car Moocow? Just wondering, not trying to be a smartass. I respect Joe for starting with a LS, its definitely a smarter choice unless you are planning on fortifying the internals right away.

[moocow]

Originally posted by supercompact
I think its alot easier to make power on a LS than a B16. Lower compression allows you to run higher boost levels safely on 93 octane. The dished piston design of the LS as opposed to the pentroof design of the B16 gives a better quench for a pressurized charge too. Fact is, you cannot run 13lbs on stock cast 10.X compression pistons in a B16 and expect it to last. Have you ever owned a boosted car Moocow? Just wondering, not trying to be a smartass. I respect Joe for starting with a LS, its definitely a smarter choice unless you are planning on fortifying the internals right away.

I haven't seen a b16 or LS piston up close, but wouldn't the center design of the piston be fairly irrelevant, because the quench is only defined by the outer perimeter of the piston? Quench is just the area where the piston nearly meets the head. Correct me if I'm wrong. Although you are right in that a dished piston will promote a more efficient burn.

I don't think it's fair to say that you absolutely cannot run X lbs of boost on Y engine because of compression ratio. A lot of people run fairly high boost on high compression engines, although it requires extensive tuning (read: standalone) to get everything perfect. I've never owned a boosted car but I've done a lot of research in preperation for boosting mine. The KA24 has a 9.5 compression ratio and I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to run at least 14 lbs on mine with 93 octane, given sufficient control over the engine. :why:

I still am in the dark as to what exactly the proportion of compression ratio to lbs of boost is.. as in, what does X drop in compression allow in Y boost. Do you have any idea?

[supercompact]

Originally posted by moocow
I haven't seen a b16 or LS piston up close, but wouldn't the center design of the piston be fairly irrelevant, because the quench is only defined by the outer perimeter of the piston? Quench is just the area where the piston nearly meets the head. Correct me if I'm wrong. Although you are right in that a dished piston will promote a more efficient burn.

I don't think it's fair to say that you absolutely cannot run X lbs of boost on Y engine because of compression ratio. A lot of people run fairly high boost on high compression engines, although it requires extensive tuning (read: standalone) to get everything perfect. I've never owned a boosted car but I've done a lot of research in preperation for boosting mine. The KA24 has a 9.5 compression ratio and I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to run at least 14 lbs on mine with 93 octane, given sufficient control over the engine. :why:

I still am in the dark as to what exactly the proportion of compression ratio to lbs of boost is.. as in, what does X drop in compression allow in Y boost. Do you have any idea?

Quench is the area between the entire top surface of the piston in relation to the combustion chamber side of the head, not just the outer diameter. Alot of people do run fairly high boost on high compression engines with standalones or factory ECU's that have the timing relative to boost tables, or race fuel. With 9.5:1 compression pistons, you should have no problem running that much (boost) depending on the turbo you choose with enough timing pulled out. Keep in mind that a 9.5:1 piston is likely going to be slightly dished or flat top. Pentroof design pistons are designed to leave very little room between the piston and the head and cramming forced air in on top of that increases the compression ratio significantly. With a dished or flat top piston, you have a little more room to play with. The volatile limit of 93 octane pump gas is limited to about 12:1 to 13:1 compression (on most engines). There is also no secret formula to how much (boost) a given engine can take because turbo X at 14lbs can move 33lbs of air while turbo Y at 14lbs can move 65lbs of air.