2008 BOUNTY....Classes and rules

[outlaw68]

MARCH 29th IS THE FIRST ONE... GET READY...


BOUNTY
Stock Front suspension
10.5x30 NO W MAX Tire size
ANY SIZE DRAG RADIAL OR 13.50 ET STREET
All Cars must have Mufflers (Turbo cars exempt)
Head lights, tail lights, streetable style cars
Any engine, and power adder.
Wheelie bars OK..
$1,500 to win
$500.00 runner up
$250.00 semi's


REAL STREET.

streetlegal cars only.
All steel body (hoods deck lids, bumpers OK)
ALL FACTORY GLASS
No wheelie bars
FACTORY FRAME. FRONT TO BACK
Factory suspension or ladder bar
10.5 x 28 Tire NO W'S
Both front seats
full interior no visable sheetmetal (exposed)
Must have functional charging system
BIG BLOCK NOS cars limited to 1 system. MAX 1 fuel and 1 NOS solinoid
Small Block Nos cars 2 systems max
After 2 consecutive wins car must move up to bounty.
Forced induction cars blow through carb only and must run DOT tire 325 or smaller
SINGLE STAGE NOS SMALL BLOCKS CAN RUN 29.5 non W tire
...NO METHANOL.

$1000.00 to win
$250.00 R/U
BOARDS WILL BE ON IN THIS CLASS AND IT WILL BE QUALIFIED.
16 car Field.





4.90 INDEX
All Door cars
ANY CHASSIS
NO THROTTLE STOPS or stutters

6.00 Index
all door cars
No throttle stops or stutters

7.00 Index
All door cars
No throttle stops or stutters

Delay Boxes are legal in ORSCA and WILL BE LEGAL AT THE BOUNTY...

Motorcycle Bounty
No wheelie bars
DOT TIRE
Street equip.. head and tail light.

POINTS SYSTEM IN EVERY CLASS.......
Drivers will buy a permanant number and sign up for points PRIOR to the start of the event... (you cant win then sign up...lol) You only sign up ONCE per year.

Also...PROPER SAFTEY EQUIP WILL BE CHECKED.. IF YOU NEED PANTS OR JACKET..YOU NEED TO BRING IT...


Now I realize this may not be what everyone wants, but its gonna be tough for me to make it the way everyone wants. I have made these rules after carefull consideration, and feel its what will make the classes fair....And keep the fans coming...


I have another series we will be starting in 2008 stay tuned..

[carplight]

thanks Jim

[carplight]

also Jim I want 713 for my permanant number

[mean68]

my money is on billy smith for the first bounty! lol
so someone like kevin is going to have to run bounty instead of real street cause its fi? thats the only thing i don't agree on, like it matters what i think. lol

[kevin]

I'm a little confused on why no EFI but you can run a blow through, its not like a race car with a forced induction/blow through carb is slower than an EFI car.

[matchstick]

Yea no EFI sucks. We aren't all in the stone age.:throw:

[65 Camino]

I'm curious about the EFI thing too. It might be because everyone knows blow-thrus don't work :clown: Also, just a clarification Jim, is the 295/65 counted as smaller than a 325 for real street or are you wanting a 28" tall tire period? I sure hope my work schedule loosens up next spring!!

Also, when are you opening the track for testing in the spring? I want to talk to you about licensing.

R/ Dave

[outlaw68]

I'm a little confused on why no EFI but you can run a blow through, its not like a race car with a forced induction/blow through carb is slower than an EFI car.



Well. When we were talking about the rules a few weeks back nobody said anything about it. Now as soon as it comes out you guys want to ask why..
The reason is YES EFI DOES MAKE ABOUT 25% MORE POWER THAN A BLOW THRU. There is a class for the FI cars its just not real street...

[outlaw68]

I'm curious about the EFI thing too. It might be because everyone knows blow-thrus don't work :clown: Also, just a clarification Jim, is the 295/65 counted as smaller than a 325 for real street or are you wanting a 28" tall tire period? I sure hope my work schedule loosens up next spring!!

Also, when are you opening the track for testing in the spring? I want to talk to you about licensing.

R/ Dave
The bounty is there for the fast people to run this is meant to be a stepping stone.

Yes its to keep it a 28 tire. Once again this is a NEW class not the bounty and you guys can run the bounty with the bigger tire, and EFI. And so on.

I can tell you that a 4.90 pass was made on them 325 tires this past weekend at a PSCA race in Fontana.. So they work...

[outlaw68]

Yea no EFI sucks. We aren't all in the stone age.:throw:


It doesnt say no EFI. It says forced induction must run a BLOWTHROUGH...
And yes you are in the stone age, matchstick...

[CPC]

The reason is YES EFI DOES MAKE ABOUT 25% MORE POWER THAN A BLOW THRU.

imho i believe you are wrong jim... a properly prepared blow thru set up will make as much or more power than a fi set up... davidcpc

[outlaw68]

I'msure your right, thats why all the fast guys are running the Blow throughs.. Bill Lutz and patrick barnhill went a few tenths faster when they switched..I am sure Lynch and petty will be trying a blow through after reading this as well. Hell they may find someone to tune it properly as well.

I would like to see your data to support this. I am not trying to argue and I know you are not either, I just want to see..
I will say convince me its not too late to make a change. I just want to know why you feel this way? I have a major sponsor looking at this class as well, and they are an EFI company, so it may get changed anyway...

[carplight]

Jim here is a thought. A car that is legal to run 8.50 in a 1/4 can legally not run faster then 5.29 in the 1/8 so why not put a cap on how fast you could run in REAL STREET and let the EFI in . IF they are faster then 5.29 then they will have to run the BOUNTY the next time they come to race . this is just my 2 cents

[7.0 mustang]

whats the entry and payouts in 6.0 and 7.0? and how much is it to enter the points thanks jeff

[outlaw68]

I am working on it.. More entry will be more payout.. I will let you know.

[CPC]

I'msure your right, thats why all the fast guys are running the Blow throughs.. Bill Lutz and patrick barnhill went a few tenths faster when they switched..I am sure Lynch and petty will be trying a blow through after reading this as well. Hell they may find someone to tune it properly as well.

I would like to see your data to support this. I am not trying to argue and I know you are not either, I just want to see..
I will say convince me its not too late to make a change. I just want to know why you feel this way? I have a major sponsor looking at this class as well, and they are an EFI company, so it may get changed anyway...

look what steve morris is doing with a bbc f-2 blow thru makin over 1700hp with no intercooler.... yeah maybe in unlimited stuff like outlaw 10.5 f.i is better cause they can put as many injectors in the manifold they want but at around 1500 to 1800hp a carb is right there or maybe a little better than f.i..... and a blow thru carb is alot cheaper to do....

[outlaw68]

look what steve morris is doing with a bbc f-2 blow thru makin over 1700hp with no intercooler.... yeah maybe in unlimited stuff like outlaw 10.5 f.i is better cause they can put as many injectors in the manifold they want but at around 1500 to 1800hp a carb is right there or maybe a little better than f.i..... and a blow thru carb is alot cheaper to do....

I see what your saying, but I also have to draw a line somewhere in these classes or we will have just one. Originally I was gonna make this class a N/A or NOS only class, but I wanted some of the local guys to have a place to race that are not fast enough to run the bounty but dont want to slow down to run 6.00.
Prime example being this class if EFI was allowed would have several EZ street cars in it and we would be back to square one. My hands are tied sometimes in making this all competitive.

[kevin]

I'msure your right, thats why all the fast guys are running the Blow throughs.. Bill Lutz and patrick barnhill went a few tenths faster when they switched..I am sure Lynch and petty will be trying a blow through after reading this as well. Hell they may find someone to tune it properly as well.

I would like to see your data to support this. I am not trying to argue and I know you are not either, I just want to see..
I will say convince me its not too late to make a change. I just want to know why you feel this way? I have a major sponsor looking at this class as well, and they are an EFI company, so it may get changed anyway...

What the fastest guys in the country do really shouldnt matter much here, I'm talking HP per dollar for the average guy that is going to be running this and IMO a blow through carb has no distinct disadvantage over EFI in the 5.40 or so ET range. Lynch switched to a big block as well and ran faster so does that mean all big blocks should be disallowed as well? I would imagine the main reason for the switch was packaging and more precise tuning ability over a carb, individual cylinder tuning etc.

A carb can run no intercooler, the air mixing with the fuel has its own cooling properties which is 50-75lbs less right there and since there are no weights here, less certainly = more.

Personally i know very few 'street' cars that run a blow through setup, not because they dont make the power, because they are a pain in the ass to tune for a street driven car. But OTOH they run very well at the track and are certainly driveable. I dont want to start an argument about it, there are very fast blow through and there are very fast EFI forced induction cars in the ET range you are looking at.

I'm just a little confused why a 350 inch F1 EFI car is any threat to a F2 540" BBC car with a blow through carb at the same weight..

[outlaw68]

I understand your 100% correct, but a 350 inch f1 is not what I was concerned about showing up in this class... Do you run the STOCK intake on your car? Or something similar? I may have a way to make it happen..
Better yet, call me. I have a few things to talk with you about anyway..
Jim
931-210-0244
Always listening.. Just hard to make a "FIT ALL" class thats competitive..

[65 Camino]

Who gives a phuck which makes more power? It's irrelevent here guys for two reasons, 1. the tire is still the more limiting factor and 2. if someone wins twice in a row, the 2 consec rule bumps them to Bounty anyway. Sounds pretty fair to me. EFI is apparently OK with NOS so I'd consider allowing it with boost. As a blow-thru guy, I have no problems running an EFI car because if he is that fast, he'll get bumped to Bounty sooner or later. Like Jim says, it a stepping stone class. Let more cars in and let the bump rule do its thing. The end result remains that no-one is dominating this class.

Jim, either way I say thanks and good job with the rules. I now have my game plan......

R/ Dave

[outlaw68]

I say we bracket race...LMAO....NOT! I see Kevins point and I am open to suggestions I have said this before, everyone wants a class to fit their cars and I agree I DO TOO....While these rules may look like something I pulled out of thin air to some. I assure you there are some limiting factors in it. Blow through is one of them...
I have my hands full with this shit, but its worth it, hell I am learning everyday about what is better or what is worse.
I cant make it work for everyone... But I try.

[kevin]

I see what your saying, but I also have to draw a line somewhere in these classes or we will have just one. Originally I was gonna make this class a N/A or NOS only class, but I wanted some of the local guys to have a place to race that are not fast enough to run the bounty but dont want to slow down to run 6.00.
Prime example being this class if EFI was allowed would have several EZ street cars in it and we would be back to square one. My hands are tied sometimes in making this all competitive.

Not an easy decision I agree, your track and your rules but IMO nitrous cars wont have a chance in hell if just one guy shows up with a decent running blower/turbo blow through set up. If he was smart he would win one and just come in second and so on to keep from getting bumped out. Or just splitting with the other guy in the final and take turns losing all year :)

[kevin]

I understand your 100% correct, but a 350 inch f1 is not what I was concerned about showing up in this class... Do you run the STOCK intake on your car? Or something similar? I may have a way to make it happen..
Better yet, call me. I have a few things to talk with you about anyway..
Jim
931-210-0244
Always listening.. Just hard to make a "FIT ALL" class thats competitive..


Matter of fact I run a stock intake and stock throttle body, but so do 8.00 1/4 mile LS1 cars so thats not a limiting factor.

I'll give you a call now.

[outlaw68]

Accepted tires for this class..
325/50/15
275/60/15
255/60/15
275/50/15
235/50/15
ET STREET RADIALS
MT ET STREEt
Nothing marked bigger than a 28.

[matchstick]

It doesnt say no EFI. It says forced induction must run a BLOWTHROUGH...
And yes you are in the stone age, matchstick...
I'm goin to kick that ass for you.:engarde:

Anybody paying attention? LS1...small ci, stock intake and throttle body...little bitty F1...5.69?
Btw congarats Kevin for getting in the 8's.

[outlaw68]

I'm goin to "Lick" that ass for you.:bj:

Anybody paying attention? LS1...small ci, stock intake and throttle body...little bitty F1...5.69?
Btw congarats Kevin for getting in the 8's.

Thats sweet, but thats not how I roll...Matchstick.

[outlaw68]

I left out something...
Sorry.
REAL STREET.
Single stage plate small blocks can run the 29.5 slick..

[1bad406]

Just let any forced induction car run blow through or EFI. I have a friend who would come run real street but its a turbo EFI car, fully streetable.

[WHITECOUPE]

i Love the blow thru deal. it has been proven many many times and streetable heal yes ask newc how many street miles he has so far. another will roll out mid sumer as well. good job jim keep up the good work

[mean68]

let the easy street guys show up, remember newc beat brandon may and almost beat stack with blowthru. like said before, i think under 1800 or so hp there is not a giant difference in power gains from one to the other, just A TON more tuning potential and ease of tuning with efi.

[kevin]

let the easy street guys show up, remember newc beat brandon may and almost beat stack with blowthru. like said before, i think under 1800 or so hp there is not a giant difference in power gains from one to the other, just A TON more tuning potential and ease of tuning with efi.

I agree, but the carbs arent that hard to tune really once its all set up. I dont think power is the issue and Jim isnt trying to exclude me. Sometimes you just get left out with your choice of hardware in heads up racing, thats how it goes. I'm not going to cry about it, I was just asking why.

[outlaw68]

I'm not done... I feel Kevin has one of the most legit street cars in the southeast. I have an idea that would allow it, I am just trying to get it worked out. I made this oversight, and if I look at the bigger picture I think I have a way that would allow Kevin and Cars like his to compete. I will get back to you all on this final part of the puzzle.

[Blue_gt]

why limit forced induction cars to a drag radial????just courious thats my only limiting factor in the real street class...

[badazznotch]

why limit forced induction cars to a drag radial????just courious thats my only limiting factor in the real street class...




In Jim's original post it says you car run a 28 x 10.5 tire no W's. I think he mean slicks. I think he just added you can run the drag radials in those sizes also. I'm sure he'll clear it up. Maybe I looked at it wrong.

[outlaw68]

No Blue Gt read it correctly.

Forced induction on a drag radial. This is an attempt to make the class more competitive. A forced induction car has a distinct advantage in a non wheelie bar class over a NOS car, they make more power and is easier to bring in and I along with the sponsors feel this should make it a better race.
They dont have to run the radial, they can run the "BOUNTY"
This is a class designed as a stepping stone to the Bounty, I know it wont fit everyone the same, but it does fit MOST everyone.
That 325 Drag radial is no limiting factor, I have seen it go faster at crossville then you have been on the slick you run now, you will just have to sneek up on it, or run the bounty again. Either way you will be fine.
If you dont want to buy tires I understand, and your tires you ran in the bounty this year will still be good in the bounty next year..
This is a new class. Some will fit, others will not. I hope you do, as I feel your car will be a serious contender in the real street class..
Hell we may even do a CRUISE this summer for one of the events and double the pay out.... You never know...

[hounddawg]

Jim
Thanks for the rules. Looks like everyone has time to get their cars ready by March. When and where is the banquet?
Thanks
Jason

[badazznotch]

No Blue Gt read it correctly.

Forced induction on a drag radial. This is an attempt to make the class more competitive. A forced induction car has a distinct advantage in a non wheelie bar class over a NOS car, they make more power and is easier to bring in and I along with the sponsors feel this should make it a better race.
They dont have to run the radial, they can run the "BOUNTY"
This is a class designed as a stepping stone to the Bounty, I know it wont fit everyone the same, but it does fit MOST everyone.
That 325 Drag radial is no limiting factor, I have seen it go faster at crossville then you have been on the slick you run now, you will just have to sneek up on it, or run the bounty again. Either way you will be fine.
If you dont want to buy tires I understand, and your tires you ran in the bounty this year will still be good in the bounty next year..
This is a new class. Some will fit, others will not. I hope you do, as I feel your car will be a serious contender in the real street class..
Hell we may even do a CRUISE this summer for one of the events and double the pay out.... You never know...

LOL..I should have read all the way down again. I read the rules last night and was going off memory. :drunk: :fro:

[outlaw68]

FACTORY EFI INTAKES WITH FORCED INDUCTION OK.. IE.. LS1 has factory style intake and forced induction or ford with factory intake will be accepted.
I-40 will reserve the right to amend these if needed to keep the class as close as possible.

[Chrisv]

wow,damn thats a lot

[Hot Rod Cowboy]

Jim.... what about the 8.0 class?

[blk91coupe]

FACTORY EFI INTAKES WITH FORCED INDUCTION OK.. IE.. LS1 has factory style intake and forced induction or ford with factory intake will be accepted.
I-40 will reserve the right to amend these if needed to keep the class as close as possible.


I seriously doubt you will see any factory ford intakes in the class. LMAO!!

[RAPIDGT]

X2

[railroadkenny502]

i like the idea of a cruise lets see all the true street cars out there

[seeyaby]

Hey jim
What class do i have to run in. Thanks Mike Russell

[outlaw68]

Mike is that a carb intake or efi lower???
Give me a call. I need to bounce a couple thoughts off you on your combo.

[seeyaby]

I will give you a call monday.

[Hot Rod Cowboy]

Jim.... what about the 8.0 class?
????????????????????

[outlaw68]

sorry buddy.. Didnt see the post. We will not have an 8.00 at the bounty but might on another night.. I will get this out after the holiday..

[SHOPEY]

Hey jim
What class do i have to run in. Thanks Mike Russell
7.00 !:cross:

[seeyaby]

7.00 !:cross:


That's probably all it will run.lol

[Pushrod-Racing]

seeyaby,thats a sweet looking combo,looks really good cant wait to see/hear it.

[railroadkenny502]

Looks good not a stang fun but looks good man

[seeyaby]

Thanks for the complements.

[Wreckless4thf]

Jim just a thought here, how about limiting the blower/turbo size instead of only allowing blow thru or stock intakes. You would be dismissing so many racers with that rule, nobody runs a charger on a stock intake or blow thru setups hardly. A good limit imo would be f1 and smaller type chargers and there turbo equals. It would take some research but you could keep it a street class while still allowing many people/street racers in. IMO big blocks should be nitrous only with single stage fogger allowed since the street type sc and turbo's make so much power. Just a thought for you to chew..........

[1bad406]

I'm not for the stock intakes either. Just run a race first before you kill the car count and see what the times look like. I know of a few forced induction cars that want to come run, but on a stock intake and radials?? come on. 28x10.5's like it was.

[79ProStreetMailbu]

Jim my only 2 cents is on the real street class... I think they should have to take a 15 or possibly a 30 mile cruise, Big blocks limit to (NOS only) 1 stage (fogger or plate)..... and small blocks allow a max of 1 88mm turbo and a max of a F-2 procharger and small blocks should be allowed 2 stages if running NOS... I would even consider making this a DOT only class... I think this will be a awesome class for the racers and fans.

[65mopar]

imo if small blocks can run 2 stages then big blocks should be able to run a fogger . small blocks with 2 stages will be able to leave on a small shot and bring in another shot. when a big block can only progress so much. and there should be weight limits. just my opinion.

[65mopar]

Jim my only 2 cents is on the real street class... I think they should have to take a 15 or possibly a 30 mile cruise, Big blocks limit to (NOS only) 1 stage (fogger or plate)..... and small blocks allow a max of 1 88mm turbo and a max of a F-2 procharger and small blocks should be allowed 2 stages if running NOS... I would even consider making this a DOT only class... I think this will be a awesome class for the racers and fans.
hell yes i think a 30 mile cruise would be awesome.

[mean68]

i'm down with the radials also. it is real street right?? should be street tires

[1bad406]

i'm down with the radials also. it is real street right?? should be street tires ah your just trying to up your post count! :engarde:

[mean68]

lolol what made you think that?? hahaha

[FatRat1969]

:) Are these the final rules for 2008 season at I-40?

[MADBOWTIE]

COOL!! A class my car fits perfectly I will be there for real street. I am also game for the cruise.

[RAPIDGT]

a cruise would be good but for some reason it scares some people off?? i thought it would be a nice thing for a "true street" or "real street" type deal but i dont know! it may be alot of more to deal with in setting the program up or so on, you know with police escorts and all or whatever but id like to se it!!:D

[MADBOWTIE]

I have just a few questions, can I use a progressive nitrous controller with a big block in real street? It may sound silly but surely a purge solinoid is allowed with a big block. One more question are there any rules on nitrogen push systems. Just asking I would hate to show up and get bumped on rules infractions.

[outlaw68]

The only rules are....1 fuel 1 nos solinoid. Purge is ok as long as NOT going into the engine and dumped outside the car. Everything else is legal..

I know of 2 foggers with single solinoids coming..

[MADBOWTIE]

:eyebrows: I just have a little plate kit

[hotrodder]

I beat a bigblock with 2 systems with my 412 ci sbc on one system you do have to remember a big block is giving up 200 lbs at the least. even if they have a alum block.Also if they win 2 races they go to the big tire bounty. Just kicking things around. P.S hows everone been?

[crossbreed]

do you have a street legal all motor class no adders with tag and mufflers

[Blue_gt]

I vote that blow thru cars can run a max 28x10.5 slick????? Anyone help me out???

[MADBOWTIE]

I like the rules. Everybody builds differant combos some have advantges and some have disadvatages. It is hard to beat a fox mustang, they are light they work very good and you can pretty much screw any drive train combo into them. I am working with a big heavy car (67 chevelle) with a Big Block chevy and a plate nitrous kit, yes I am at a disadvantage racing lighter cars with tons of gas on them but the chevelle is the kind of car I like. I just want to race and the rules in Real Street look like they may level the playing field enough so we can see a lot of differant combo's that no one has seen in a while. P.S. What kinds of times do you think will be in real street? I was thinking mid to high 5's

[mean68]

some cars will hit low 5's i'd say. but mostly mid to high 5's are correct i think. if i'm not mistaken papageorges car will fit real street and he has been 20's. my opinion, if one type of car can run slicks they all should be able to do so, or if one has to run radials they all should have to. just an opinion, i DO understand why it is the way it is, i am just a fan of cars sliding around down the track on radials sorry. lolol

[Blue_gt]

Carp will fill fit mean street also he should be a hand full he has been 50s MADBOWTIE what does your car weigh??? If you dont mind me asking?

[1bad406]

I vote that blow thru cars can run a max 28x10.5 slick????? Anyone help me out???
I think the whole class should run on 28x10.5's, and what about the Forced induction EFI cars? I have a friend in a blue turbo coupe wanting to run real street, fully street legal, full interior, (Papageorge and Mean68 have seen it) but It's not the ford factory intake, Holley systimax lower i think, will that be allowed to run?

[Stroked 427]

I like the rules. Everybody builds differant combos some have advantges and some have disadvatages. It is hard to beat a fox mustang, they are light they work very good and you can pretty much screw any drive train combo into them. I am working with a big heavy car (67 chevelle) with a Big Block chevy and a plate nitrous kit, yes I am at a disadvantage racing lighter cars with tons of gas on them but the chevelle is the kind of car I like. I just want to race and the rules in Real Street look like they may level the playing field enough so we can see a lot of differant combo's that no one has seen in a while. P.S. What kinds of times do you think will be in real street? I was thinking mid to high 5's
my car has been 5.24 @140

[hillbillyhuricane]

well my 1st post in a longtime i have several questions jim about well what class could i run in with my s10 any recs would be good i can put in a full cage or charlie could what about being backhalved im going twin turbo idont know maybe scrap the 10 for a sbc mustang

[hillbillyhuricane]

ok no big tires period 7.0 index or 6.0 index delay box legal no 2 step i dont know the 1st thing about a delaybox but i guess ill do something help me out here

[hillbillyhuricane]

ok a quick phone call all cleared up thanks

[Blue_gt]

Yes onebad406 I seen the car at DFT it is a nice piece I was with mean68 down there I was the one that owns the tan procharged car that run KING OF THE HILL...I just think why not open it up let everyone run 28x10.5s fuel injection or blow thru..But really no need to argue the point rules are rules i guess...

[outlaw68]

well if efi and slicks are allowed at 28's Billy Smith would be wide open in the class as would brandon may and a few other BOUNTY cars. This is why it is what it is. Its a class meant to be competitive and have the ET's close together and not a 1/2 second apart. I think you will see that this is the better choice. And EFI is ok as long as its not on a CARB style intake. A OEM style intake such as system max should be fine. Post a pic for me to see. I will review it. Tires will be just as posted, this keeps the field level. FOR NOW..

[MADBOWTIE]

Carp will fill fit mean street also he should be a hand full he has been 50s MADBOWTIE what does your car weigh??? If you dont mind me asking?I have not weighed it myself but If I remeber correctly I believe it weighed around 3600 lb with the big chief headed motor.

[MADBOWTIE]

my car has been 5.24 @140That's dam FAST!!

[1bad406]

well if efi and slicks are allowed at 28's Billy Smith would be wide open in the class as would brandon may and a few other BOUNTY cars. This is why it is what it is. Its a class meant to be competitive and have the ET's close together and not a 1/2 second apart. I think you will see that this is the better choice. And EFI is ok as long as its not on a CARB style intake. A OEM style intake such as system max should be fine. Post a pic for me to see. I will review it. Tires will be just as posted, this keeps the field level. FOR NOW.. Well I hope we can make it there for the first race if the car works on Radials.

[hotrodder]

No one cares if billy wins 2 races i think everone whould like the rules to stay the same as last year. Take a vote. I liked the rules we had last year. I think billy can be beat. so what do you guys think.

[hotrodder]

Also the stb was doing fine but the btb needed a few more cars. A rule change will hurt the stb. JMO

[badazznotch]

well if efi and slicks are allowed at 28's Billy Smith would be wide open in the class as would brandon may and a few other BOUNTY cars. This is why it is what it is. Its a class meant to be competitive and have the ET's close together and not a 1/2 second apart. I think you will see that this is the better choice. And EFI is ok as long as its not on a CARB style intake. A OEM style intake such as system max should be fine. Post a pic for me to see. I will review it. Tires will be just as posted, this keeps the field level. FOR NOW..


Jim, here is the holley systemax intake. The lower was actually based right off the lower intake off a 302 that came in F150's.

http://www.sacramento-mustang.com/images/cc_enghol30072.jpg

[badazznotch]

here's a 302 F150 intake

http://www.fordfuelinjection.com/public/302truck_intake.jpg

[mean68]

i think billycan be beaten on 28x10.5s. it will be something to brag about when its done, but is doable i think. hell there are several local guys that are close, also when brandon throws the slicks on he will be there also for sure!!

[RAPIDGT]

look at it like this guys, alot of people didnt like the fact that billy won what 5 in a row and WASNT beaten that's dominance. but if someone beats billy its going to take a better and more powerful combo and then whos was going to beat them? how many would they have won till someone stepped up and took them out? billy's car wasn't in any threat of being beat this past year in my opinion. but i agree with jim that the class should be kept to be competitive, but why punish someone who's legally winning? i look forward to seeing it this year but im sure the what 4.98 he went in DECEMBER had the other guys here covered on radials so my $ is on billy til someone shows they can beat him and beat him more then once. JUST MY.02

[Blue_gt]

i agree with hotrodder leave the rules alone in the stb...

[WHITECOUPE]

ha ha it warming up

[RAPIDGT]

that'd be good, but i think billy will reel off about how many in a row? he is human it seems but i dont know if he will be challenged? but ill be there anyway watching lol! good luck to all fellas!

[mean68]

i watched brandon may beat billy at brainerd. . . . BOTH on radials. theres one that can beat him for sure. glens new car will be a POWERHOUSE and if they are in the same class he will be very very competitive. hell matt and eric have both been 20's thats one tap of billys throttle away from beating him. newcs car will be pretty damn close also. there are many cars that can beat billy, just not as many go down the track as consistant and smooth as billy, he has his shit together and it shows!! the nitrous nova from ga ran .20s on 28x10.5s on one kit. he has 3! so he will be in there too.

[RAPIDGT]

im sure brandon can beat him and i love brandons car but how many times have you seen him make a clean pass up here? newcs car has had some spinning issues aswell i didnt say he couldnt be beat or no one was capable but like you said he gets down the track more consistant then anyone thats where i base my opinion. and his what 145+mph dont hurt either. cant wait to see glenn's new car

[Stroked 427]

That's dam FAST!!
thats on stock suspention and a true ten inch tire. car ran 3.40 to the 330

[BAD10]

i think they should allow unlimited nos in both small block and big block especially to compete with the turbo cars i know there r cars flying on one stage of nos but i think it should be unlimited nos

[mean68]

how many times has brandons car been on slicks up here is the question. none that i know of. billy was the last few. so both cars are very close, should be awesome

[Blue_gt]

It should be a interesting year no doubt 2 bad I got to miss the first one but I really dont wanna miss huntsville this year...It seems all of us but billy have traction issues but mabey some of us will get that fixed this year..Gotta give Billy major credit his car is hard to beat but unbeatible??? I dont think so not saying I can beat him but Brandon is right there with him and Glens car one bad ride also...Matts car is hard to deal with also..Alot of fast cars out there billy is just very very consistant!!!

[outlaw68]

Sorry guys the rules are staying.

I have changed nothing. The STB is still the bounty. READ the rules. The class REAL STREET IS NOT THE STB... I only made the bounty class able to run a 10.5x30 NON W tire. I got rid of what was the Big Tire class. If you look at the rules you will see this.

REAL STREET= No wheelie bars, NO FOUR LINKS, limited on induction for forced cars and tires. Limits on Big Blocks for NOS, FACTORY SHEETMETAL, etc etc... ITS A NEW CLASS,,, on a 28 tire.

The BOUNTY is SMALL TIRE BOUNTY from last year with an allowable taller tire. NO W's. Or the DOT tire.
And the NOS is unlimited in this class..... So is any thing else in the motor or on the motor.

What was the big tire class, has been deleted... Just like in 2007 we had a thread for people who wanted to change the rules. Then after the rules are posted people are wanting something different.

Billy will still be the man to beat in the bounty, and by letting a taller tire like a Limited street tire in the class, I felt it would even the field.

EVERYONE SEEMS TO THINK that REAL street is the small tire class and its not. The small tire class is still the BOUNTY, a class we had good numbers in and I feel will continue to grow.

The big tire cars will have a seperate race they can come and run..On a different day. I thought we went over all this a few months ago.

AND YES the system max is an acceptable intake. As it is on a stock platform.

[hotrodder]

Sorry guys the rules are staying.

I have changed nothing. The STB is still the bounty. READ the rules. The class REAL STREET IS NOT THE STB... I only made the bounty class able to run a 10.5x30 NON W tire. I got rid of what was the Big Tire class. If you look at the rules you will see this.

REAL STREET= No wheelie bars, NO FOUR LINKS, limited on induction for forced cars and tires. Limits on Big Blocks for NOS, FACTORY SHEETMETAL, etc etc... ITS A NEW CLASS,,, on a 28 tire.

The BOUNTY is SMALL TIRE BOUNTY from last year with an allowable taller tire. NO W's. Or the DOT tire.
And the NOS is unlimited in this class..... So is any thing else in the motor or on the motor.

What was the big tire class, has been deleted... Just like in 2007 we had a thread for people who wanted to change the rules. Then after the rules are posted people are wanting something different.

Billy will still be the man to beat in the bounty, and by letting a taller tire like a Limited street tire in the class, I felt it would even the field.

EVERYONE SEEMS TO THINK that REAL street is the small tire class and its not. The small tire class is still the BOUNTY, a class we had good numbers in and I feel will continue to grow.

The big tire cars will have a seperate race they can come and run..On a different day. I thought we went over all this a few months ago.

AND YES the system max is an acceptable intake. As it is on a stock platform.
OK i see but now 90% off the stb cars can not run a 30in tall tire so we will all be at a disadvantage. My car is not a race car but a street car with a roll gage.No factory sheetmetal has ever been cut. Why not make it 28in 10.5 like always. I whould be fine with that.

[1bad406]

Yeah dont like the whole radial deal for forced induction cars. They might be ok towards the end of the night after the track comes around.

[outlaw68]

I ran a 29.5 non w on lots of street cars and one of them was a mustang. Get the hammer out son.... The tire rule was changed to let some of the OSCA and ORSCA cars have a place to come and race too. The 28 tire is in the new class, but you are limited on NOS noids and no wheelie bars. You can do either class. You should be happy, you have a car that fits both classes....lol..

[outlaw68]

Yeah dont like the whole radial deal for forced induction cars. They might be ok towards the end of the night after the track comes around.


LMAO... I dont like alot of things, but what can you do... They can run a slick, just not in that one class... Just like I am sure many can find something they dont like about alot of things. If they want to run a slick move up a class. If it was up to the racer each of you would build a class your car could dominate in.. My job is to try and keep it even..

as for the statement about the track coming around.... Watch and see. But first rounds not till after DARK...S0 I guess it wont be a problem then afterall..

[RAPIDGT]

so for instence say if german or the gold olds or you jim jr wanted to run the bounty with the present rules you all would have to run a 30x10.5 or run the 4.90 index or some other class that night is this correct? just checking cause i like seeing them cars aswell.

[outlaw68]

we could run the 30x10.5 or the ET STREET like we did in 2006. Or the Big Radial. Or we could run a couple other 10.5w races we will have in 2008. I know the porsche has ran the 29.5 I know German has run the ET street, and I ran the 29.5 most of the fall untill the last race. Or they could run the 4.90 class. Lots of choices. I just cant make it perfect for everyone. But we can try to make it good for the masses.

[RAPIDGT]

true. there is going to be more then one 10.5w race at I40 this year? and is the et street limited to 30x also?

[kevin]

I'm not a huge fan of the radials either since I have my car set up pretty stiff in the front they dont work very well. But I'll give it a shot with the radials and see what happens.

When are you going to open for T&T Jim?

[outlaw68]

march 8th is opening day..

[BAD10]

i think the big tire cars should be able to run the same night the specatators want to see all the cars and classes run instead of having to come back different nights to watch

[BAD10]

is the bounty going to be more than one day event

[outlaw68]

i think the big tire cars should be able to run the same night the specatators want to see all the cars and classes run instead of having to come back different nights to watch

Well, if you can find someone to pay the payout those nights I am all for it. My plan is to have several different races in the upcoming years this gives the fans something to watch more than just once a month. With only 2-3 cars showing up in the big tire class every month it doesnt make sense to continue to lose money on that class. I have been wrong in the past, but I feel this is the right direction. I am open to suggestions, I have spoke with lots of people in the class about this and this is what I have come up with. It allows me to have a MUCH bigger payout for those cars on a seperate night and not lose money doing it. The bigger pay out will attract some more cars and hopefully I can grow another series. I wish we could do it all and have a 50k purse every weekend, but right now its just not in the cards.

I have been told by almost all of our INDEX cars that they wish to race more than just once a month, and they are the biggest number of racers at these events. I am going to try this and if it doesnt work I can always go back to running it all in one night.

And The bounty is still a 1 day race.

[BAD10]

so what all will be there bounty night as far as racing

[outlaw68]

Bounty Class
Real Street Class
4.90
6.00
7.00
Motorcycle Bounty.

[7.0 mustang]

look at it like this guys, alot of people didnt like the fact that billy won what 5 in a row and WASNT beaten that's dominance. but if someone beats billy its going to take a better and more powerful combo and then whos was going to beat them? how many would they have won till someone stepped up and took them out? billy's car wasn't in any threat of being beat this past year in my opinion. but i agree with jim that the class should be kept to be competitive, but why punish someone who's legally winning? i look forward to seeing it this year but im sure the what 4.98 he went in DECEMBER had the other guys here covered on radials so my $ is on billy til someone shows they can beat him and beat him more then once. JUST MY.02

there was plenty of cars that ran last year that could have beat billy.and billy will be bigger better and faster this year. i promise.....on a bigger tire too... and by the way he had a broken valve spring when he went his 4.98 in dec. so yall better get to wrenching....lol:flame2:

[RAPIDGT]

there was plenty of cars that ran last year that could have beat billy.and billy will be bigger better and faster this year. i promise.....on a bigger tire too... and by the way he had a broken valve spring when he went his 4.98 in dec. so yall better get to wrenching....lol:flame2:

again i didnt say he couldnt be beat just that i didnt think he would and after 5 in a row now my $ will be on billy til he is beat. he is more consistent then anyone at the track on the bounty nights so again thats where i base my opinion.

[blk91coupe]

I agree. Billy may not be unbeatable but till he is beat in the bounty I dont know what else you could call it. Just lucky I guess.

[WHITECOUPE]

not luck he knows his chit son hes not dumb if it was that easy everyone would be doing it. rapid whats that pic in your avatar sonny?

[WHITECOUPE]

and travis did you finally turn it up to where it starts to eat that solid roller likes those hig rpms lol

[RAPIDGT]

rapid whats that pic in your avatar sonny?

sonny you know what that is lol!!

[blk91coupe]

Yes I know it's not luck, that was a lil sarcasm. Luck is winning 2 not 5. And that was Jenn behind the wheel. She was holding it at 8200rpms she said!!

[RAPIDGT]

thats just a car that i found and i like it just wish i had one like it.

[WHITECOUPE]

bragger

[RAPIDGT]

no i aint bragging bud or id say look at me new car or new project then itd be braggin a lil i guess. or if i had it with your setup in it then id have it made and ready to go :nod: :haha: :D

[WHITECOUPE]

ttt

[outlaw68]

BUMP./..NEED A NEW STICKY ON THIS ONE..Thanks ROY..