e.f.i. vs. carb

**camarokiller** · 07-07-2009, 11:42 AM

Thinkin about goin with an carb setup on my hatch this time and was wondering the pros\cons of ditching the e.f.i. ?? Opinions anyone??

**57fairlane** · 07-07-2009, 03:27 PM

less weight and cheaper are the big ones.

There's just less crap to buy with a carb setup.

I wouldn't put a carb on a already fuel injected car though, serious depreciation . . . no one wants dinosaur technology on something you didn't want to fix.

**EAD-fishing** · 07-07-2009, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by 57fairlane

no one wants dinosaur technology on something you didn't want to fix.

Unless its well into the 5's

**57fairlane** · 07-07-2009, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by EAD-fishing

Unless its well into the 5's

uh . . . hey, where's the rest of my post?!?

if you buy a ragged out foxbody with no wiring harness and no drivetrain, by all means make it a carb race car but I don't think hacking up a factory 5.0 liter car with fi is the way to go.

it just doesn't make dollars and sense

**camarokiller** · 07-08-2009, 07:03 AM

Its not that i dnt want to fix anything or its beat to death, hell you can get in it an drive to the store just thout about doin somin diff is all. that and less computer bs to fool with.

**coupe performance** · 07-08-2009, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by camarokiller

Its not that i dnt want to fix anything or its beat to death, hell you can get in it an drive to the store just thout about doin somin diff is all. that and less computer bs to fool with.

It will most likely make more power. All you need is a screwdriver and a adj. wrench for all the work too!

**camarokiller** · 07-08-2009, 08:08 AM

really, well i have plenty of screwdrivers and adjustables.. but might need some zipties an jb weld to tho.... thanx.. asshole.

**Eric Brooks** · 07-08-2009, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by coupe performance

It will most likely make more power. All you need is a screwdriver and a adj. wrench for all the work too!

I disagree. For a DIYer like most, it will.

**PangleRacing** · 07-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Welcome to the 21st century people...

A. MegaSquirt = if your cheap, and want to learn something...

B. BigStuff, ACCEL DFI, FAST, etc... = if you have extra money laying around and don't want to learn anything...

C. Carburetor = if your simple minded, use simple parts...

That should fire some folks up...

**Eric Brooks** · 07-08-2009, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by PangleRacing

Welcome to the 21st century people...

A. MegaSquirt = if your cheap, and want to learn something...

B. BigStuff, ACCEL DFI, FAST, etc... = if you have extra money laying around and don't want to learn anything...

C. Carburetor = if your simple minded, use simple parts...

That should fire some folks up...

Forget MegaSquirt, that is the biggest POS there is.

**PangleRacing** · 07-08-2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Eric Brooks

Forget MegaSquirt, that is the biggest POS there is.

Be honest, the real reason you don't like it is because its a DIY fuel injection system both TUNING and building.

There are quite a few cars out there performing well with a MegaSquirt fuel injection system.

Don't be a hater...

**Eric Brooks** · 07-08-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by PangleRacing

Be honest, the real reason you don't like it is because its a DIY fuel injection system both TUNING and building.

There are quite a few cars out there performing well with a MegaSquirt fuel injection system.

Don't be a hater...

I'm not a hater, I didn't say it doesn't work. It will run a car, but it doesn't do the best job, compared to the other systems out there.

Hell, FAST, DFI, BS3 are all do it yourself caveman tuning. Very very easy to tune.

**slowstang106** · 07-08-2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by PangleRacing

Welcome to the 21st century people...

A. MegaSquirt = if your cheap, and want to learn something...

B. BigStuff, ACCEL DFI, FAST, etc... = if you have extra money laying around and don't want to learn anything...

C. Carburetor = if your simple minded, use simple parts...

That should fire some folks up...

Your assuming anyone and everyone can tune a standalone and cant learn anything? Tuning a standalone is NOT general car knowledge.

**PangleRacing** · 07-08-2009, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Eric Brooks

I'm not a hater, I didn't say it doesn't work. It will run a car, but it doesn't do the best job, compared to the other systems out there.

Hell, FAST, DFI, BS3 are all do it yourself caveman tuning. Very very easy to tune.

I never said they were hard to tune...

But you are a hater

**PangleRacing** · 07-08-2009, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by slowstang101

Your assuming anyone and everyone can tune a standalone and cant learn anything? Tuning a standalone is NOT general car knowledge.

Never said anything about tuning... I said "learn"... You will "learn" how a fuel injection system works if you have to "put it together/build" it yourself...

ie: MegaSquirt

**Eric Brooks** · 07-08-2009, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by PangleRacing

I never said they were hard to tune...

But you are a hater

FU. I don't hate. I'll tune anything.

Stand alone tuning is childs play anyway.

**PangleRacing** · 07-08-2009, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Eric Brooks

FU. I don't hate. I'll tune anything.

Stand alone tuning is childs play anyway.

You forgot your

, I might think your serious...

**Eric Brooks** · 07-08-2009, 12:17 PM

I been on the internet too long to take anything serious anymore.

**a408swinger** · 07-08-2009, 12:22 PM

I guess Im simple minded because I prefer a carb. Just look at what the fastest cars on this particular forum run and see what they have on them. Im not saying you cant go fast with fuel injection, there's just more that can go wrong with all the extra electronics and most cant tune it themselves. I will have to say I dont know that I would change it if it was already fuel injected and running fine. Ive always been a sticks and rocks guy (Carb and nitrous)

**Eric Brooks** · 07-08-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by a408swinger

I guess Im simple minded because I prefer a carb. Just look at what the fastest cars on this particular forum run and see what they have on them. Im not saying you cant go fast with fuel injection, there's just more that can go wrong with all the extra electronics and most cant tune it themselves. I will have to say I dont know that I would change it if it was already fuel injected and running fine. Ive always been a sticks and rocks guy (Carb and nitrous)

Good answer. Being able to do it yourself is the biggest advantage, IMHO. There are plenty fast cars both carb'd and EFI.

**a408swinger** · 07-08-2009, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Eric Brooks

Good answer. Being able to do it yourself is the biggest advantage, IMHO. There are plenty fast cars both carb'd and EFI.

Agreed!

**PangleRacing** · 07-08-2009, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by a408swinger

Just look at what the fastest cars on this particular forum run and see what they have on them.

This forum is just a drop in the bucket of racing... I'm not going to base anything I do off what people on this particular board are doing...

**PangleRacing** · 07-08-2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by a408swinger

...there's just more that can go wrong with all the extra electronics and most cant tune it themselves.

You have an ECU and injectors-everything else is pretty much the same... The only time I've heard of someone having injectors going bad is when they were using them BEYOND their capabilities... cough cough TOM

I've also never heard of an ECU going bad-unless their are wiring issues with the vehicle...

**PangleRacing** · 07-08-2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by a408swinger

Ive always been a sticks and rocks guy (Carb and nitrous)

I was hoping you were going to use this famous line

I'm going to quote Chuck (w89coupe) and say...

"Well I guess you need to scratch that dial in on your windshield with one of those rocks Tom..."

**CPC** · 07-08-2009, 02:36 PM

Carbs faster ,eaiser and cheaper!

Dan

**PangleRacing** · 07-08-2009, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by CPC

Carbs faster ,eaiser and cheaper!

Dan

Too bad spell check isn't easier

Sorry couldn't help myself...

**Boomer** · 07-08-2009, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by CPC

Carbs faster ,eaiser and cheaper!

Dan

Well...

Anytime I ask someone about a good really good carb setup, I hear prices from around 650 to 900 bucks. This would be your 4150 base BG King Demon to QFT stuff... with the good internal tricks/stuff... So add that to a 250 minimum intake... and i don't see where it's that much cheaper than EFI in that regard. but I could be wrong.

I got a nice standard bore 71 351W 9.5 block I want to build as a stroked carb motor and stick into something... so I'm all ears on this thread. LOL

P.S. Sammy... YOU SUCK!

**Nosfedgta** · 07-08-2009, 03:12 PM

price out a t/b, intake, injectors, the intake tube for air filter, and see which one is cheaper...

here is just a guess at my old stuff.

inj. 400.00
tb. 299.00
intake. 400.00
air intake assemply 150.

and now lets look at tunning, a good computer, or a chip depending on what ya have...

yeah carb is cheaper any day of the week. its just what you like and have the patience for..

**j-mill** · 07-08-2009, 04:35 PM

i use to love fuel injection. i was slow though. i have carb now and im in love with it and im fast. i will never go back. the throtle response is so much better.

**Eric Brooks** · 07-08-2009, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Nosfedgta

price out a t/b, intake, injectors, the intake tube for air filter, and see which one is cheaper...

here is just a guess at my old stuff.

inj. 400.00
tb. 299.00
intake. 400.00
air intake assemply 150.

and now lets look at tunning, a good computer, or a chip depending on what ya have...

yeah carb is cheaper any day of the week. its just what you like and have the patience for..

Well, alot of that has to do with what your building. Unless you have an older car, you won't need everything you listed.

On a Ford, you need a MAF, throttle body (depends on what yoursetup is), and injectors, and a chip or programmer.

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